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How opportunistic is Durham University?

I'm choosing my university for entry 2024, and I have recently received an offer from Durham. I'm seriously considering attending, but one of the only reasons is the fact that it is a lot more prestigious than my other options (Southampton, Birmingham & Newcastle), so I was just wondering, in terms of world connections, employability and reputation, is it worth going to Durham (my only issues are I am not a big fan of the tory culture there haha an how expensive the cost of living is)?

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Reply 1

Have you visited all of your choices?

You should have the option to visit them all this spring - that’s the best way to get an understanding of whether you will thrive somewhere. I wouldn’t say Durham is particularly better than any of your other choices for most subjects.

The problems with private accommodation in Durham made national news this year
Original post by Laura13101995
I'm choosing my university for entry 2024, and I have recently received an offer from Durham. I'm seriously considering attending, but one of the only reasons is the fact that it is a lot more prestigious than my other options (Southampton, Birmingham & Newcastle), so I was just wondering, in terms of world connections, employability and reputation, is it worth going to Durham (my only issues are I am not a big fan of the tory culture there haha an how expensive the cost of living is)?

Hiya,

There are a lot of opportunities available at Durham, and if you're particularly interested in connections and employability. We have a very active alumni community at Durham, and there are a range of events where you can connect with alumni nationally and internationally as well. Durham does offer a range of different employability opportunities such as placements, international internships, international volunteering programs, etc. Also, the University offers part-time and full-time employments. If you're still unsure about Durham, perhaps coming for a visit during open day or any other day and speaking to some of the students and staff may help.
Open Days and Visits - Durham University

Alternatively, you can chat with student on UniBuddy.
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If you'd like to see more on what it's like being at Durham, and the student life, you can also visit The Durham Student page to read some of the student blogs, and watch any student content.
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Best 🙂
-Ghala

Reply 3

Original post by Laura13101995
I'm choosing my university for entry 2024, and I have recently received an offer from Durham. I'm seriously considering attending, but one of the only reasons is the fact that it is a lot more prestigious than my other options (Southampton, Birmingham & Newcastle), so I was just wondering, in terms of world connections, employability and reputation, is it worth going to Durham (my only issues are I am not a big fan of the tory culture there haha an how expensive the cost of living is)?

Durham a lot more prestigious than Birmingham, Southampton and Newcastle? Durham isn't even a prestigious university! Prestigious = Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial, UCL. Quite prestigious = Edinburgh, Manchester, Bristol.
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Reply 4

Original post by Physician
Durham a lot more prestigious than Birmingham, Southampton and Newcastle? Durham isn't even a prestigious university! Prestigious = Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial, UCL. Quite prestigious = Edinburgh, Manchester, Bristol.


How is durham not a prestigious university??

Reply 5

Original post by AaronMock
How is durham not a prestigious university??

It doesn't have the global recognition that UCL and others like LSE and Imperial have. Durham focuses on UK rankings to help convince gifted teenagers that it is a top university, arguably the best after Oxbridge in a few subjects. But dig deeper and you see the true picture. Not all of the colleges (halls of residence in all but name) are nice, although most are. For a few colleges you are only affiliated to your college, and you don't actually live within the college itself. Also, the state of some of the academic buildings are questionable, and certainly nothing to look at. Durham spends a lot of money to stay high in the UK league tables, but neglects building World class academic buildings. Just go and see what Nottingham and Birmingham have got on their campuses and you will quickly think Durham looks tired, outdated and rundown by comparison. I would also question their poor performance in the prestigious THES World rankings. Is it worth all the effort to get into Durham? I would say no. If you really had your heart set on Oxbridge, you would be better off taking a gap year and reapplying there the following year. Maybe even try to get a scholarship to study at a US uni like Harvard or Duke. There are also other ancient universities like Edinburgh and Glasgow to consider, not to mention the academic giants of UCL, LSE, KCL and Imperial. But the choice is yours. I don't rate the student experience at UCL, but that is another story.
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Reply 6

Southampton and Birmingham (joint 80th) are higher than Durham (89th) in QS world rankings. Newcastle is 129th.

Durham's prestige largely comes from its entry requirements, from its high percentage (approx 40%) of private school students, from its age (although it's relatively young compared to the ancient universities), from the beauty of some of its older buildings (many of which were already existing when Durham University acquired them) and from having a longstanding collegiate structure. Perhaps how it expanded during the 1960s (after its Newcastle campus broke away to become Newcastle University), whilst arguably overall having nicer looking 60s buildings than some plate glass universities, also aided it. Southampton and Birmingham are better than it for research quality, although Birmingham's research intensity is lower than at Durham.
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Reply 7

OP posted this 5 months ago - and never replied to anyone asking for more details.
So I doubt they will read or care about comments about Durham's "prestige" now

Reply 8

OP posted this 5 months ago - and never replied to anyone asking for more details.
So I doubt they will read or care about comments about Durham's "prestige" now

I felt compelled to reply to the OTP because it reeks of lack of authenticity, as though the OTP knows they want to choose Durham anyway but they want to take a cheap shot at the other RG universities to help make them feel better about themself.

If you want to know, Durham actually struggled for any prestige for much of its history, due to its location. It was Oxbridge and London that enjoyed all the prestige, as well as the ancient universities in Scotland.
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Original post by Physician
I felt compelled to reply to the OTP because it reeks of lack of authenticity, as though the OTP knows they want to choose Durham anyway but they want to take a cheap shot at the other RG universities to help make them feel better about themself.
If you want to know, Durham actually struggled for any prestige for much of its history, due to its location. It was Oxbridge and London that enjoyed all the prestige, as well as the ancient universities in Scotland.

So you felt 'compelled' did you? Why have you got some sort of problem or something...?? lol Here we have a classic case of a jealous and bitter attack at Durham and can only assume it's been brought on by academic 'insecurity' ie I'm guessing you are more than likely another Durham statistic - a reject who didn't make the grade.

Saying that Durham struggled for ANY prestige for much of its history is an obvious nonsense and one typically not backed up by any pertinent facts whatsoever. Therefore, it is obviously YOU who are wanting to take a cheap shot yourself! You're argument (if you could optimistically call it that?);is entirely flawed, as is usual for this kind of totally ignorant polemic, as once again the old 'QS rankings chestnut' is cranked out again redundantly. QS is based on such things as Research output, number of citations quoted and budgetary schemes. Not to mention the new, no doubt trendy, but highly dubious metric of Sustainability!!??? (what has that got to do with academics??) To imply therefore that an institution is more prestigious than another based on size

Reply 10

Original post by Kowsa T
So you felt 'compelled' did you? Why have you got some sort of problem or something...?? lol Here we have a classic case of a jealous and bitter attack at Durham and can only assume it's been brought on by academic 'insecurity' ie I'm guessing you are more than likely another Durham statistic - a reject who didn't make the grade.
Saying that Durham struggled for ANY prestige for much of its history is an obvious nonsense and one typically not backed up by any pertinent facts whatsoever. Therefore, it is obviously YOU who are wanting to take a cheap shot yourself! You're argument (if you could optimistically call it that?);is entirely flawed, as is usual for this kind of totally ignorant polemic, as once again the old 'QS rankings chestnut' is cranked out again redundantly. QS is based on such things as Research output, number of citations quoted and budgetary schemes. Not to mention the new, no doubt trendy, but highly dubious metric of Sustainability!!??? (what has that got to do with academics??) To imply therefore that an institution is more prestigious than another based on size
...to say that output or size equates to prestige etc would therefore imply that Tesco's is more prestigious than Waitrose because Tesco's is a bigger firm, when in reality we know that Waitrose or John Lewis etc are not collosal giants but are considered more prestigious.

The only important metrics worth considering are of course on the other hand , ones such as entry standards or more obviously Teaching Standards!! We are after all talking about something called a 'University' where traditionally the emphasis was on teaching students in high quality, higher education, not some esoteric think tank that is working in a capacity entirely detached from education. And in this regard you have singularly failed in your spurious assertion in that you failed to give a full and fair rounded view.

(That being said, ordinarily Durham has fared better than the others in the QS, ranked at 78 only last year, a point you clearly failed to point out - largely due to a shift in trend to favour more Pacific region universities)

So let's have a look at the main rankings that you can't bear to confront: the national UK rankings. In this you will see Durham is positioned a solid 7 in all three major rankings., whilst Southampton, Birmingham and Newcastle trail significantly: Southampton 20 in the 2024 Guardian, Birmingham 37 and Newcastle 67!

Another much more reliable and relevant metric would again be the academic weighting of the faculty themselves, ie members of British academy, Royal societies of Arts and Science etc and again Durham beats the opposition hands down.

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Original post by Kowsa T
...to say that output or size equates to prestige etc would therefore imply that Tesco's is more prestigious than Waitrose because Tesco's is a bigger firm, when in reality we know that Waitrose or John Lewis etc are not collosal giants but are considered more prestigious.
The only important metrics worth considering are of course on the other hand , ones such as entry standards or more obviously Teaching Standards!! We are after all talking about something called a 'University' where traditionally the emphasis was on teaching students in high quality, higher education, not some esoteric think tank that is working in a capacity entirely detached from education. And in this regard you have singularly failed in your spurious assertion in that you failed to give a full and fair rounded view.
(That being said, ordinarily Durham has fared better than the others in the QS, ranked at 78 only last year, a point you clearly failed to point out - largely due to a shift in trend to favour more Pacific region universities)
So let's have a look at the main rankings that you can't bear to confront: the national UK rankings. In this you will see Durham is positioned a solid 7 in all three major rankings., whilst Southampton, Birmingham and Newcastle trail significantly: Southampton 20 in the 2024 Guardian, Birmingham 37 and Newcastle 67!
Another much more reliable and relevant metric would again be the academic weighting of the faculty themselves, ie members of British academy, Royal societies of Arts and Science etc and again Durham beats the opposition hands down.

FINALLY.... I find it amusing when you say Oxbridge and LONDON were supposed to have enjoyed the prestige that Durham historically lacked... This especially considering that Durham predates UCL and University of London by 4 years going by the officially recognised inaugural dates, those being the acts of parliament required BY Law (not hearsay or opinion) to establish a university by government decree: Durham 1832 and University of London in 1836. This fact alone would aid Durham's prestige factor and London couldn't very well have been enjoying prestige over Durham before it actually existed... Lol Please do your research next time.))

Reply 12

Original post by Kowsa T
So you felt 'compelled' did you? Why have you got some sort of problem or something...?? lol Here we have a classic case of a jealous and bitter attack at Durham and can only assume it's been brought on by academic 'insecurity' ie I'm guessing you are more than likely another Durham statistic - a reject who didn't make the grade.
Saying that Durham struggled for ANY prestige for much of its history is an obvious nonsense and one typically not backed up by any pertinent facts whatsoever. Therefore, it is obviously YOU who are wanting to take a cheap shot yourself! You're argument (if you could optimistically call it that?);is entirely flawed, as is usual for this kind of totally ignorant polemic, as once again the old 'QS rankings chestnut' is cranked out again redundantly. QS is based on such things as Research output, number of citations quoted and budgetary schemes. Not to mention the new, no doubt trendy, but highly dubious metric of Sustainability!!??? (what has that got to do with academics??) To imply therefore that an institution is more prestigious than another based on size

Durham DID struggle for prestige for much of its history because of its location. Go back 80-90 years and this was the case, with London universities, as well as Oxbridge, getting all the attention. It was all down to logistics.

The university struggled for the rest of the 19th century, held back by a lack of prestige and a distance from the centres of power in the UK.

Source: Whiting, Charles Edwin (1932). The University of Durham. London: Sheldon Press. ISBN 0-8223-2340-0.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_College,_Durham

The other point l would like to mention is that in the present, Edinburgh has an endowment that is worth more than the entire annual income of Durham!! Likewise, the annual income of Durham could be multiplied by x3 and would still be smaller than that of Edinburgh University. And UCL has a considerably higher annual income than Edinburgh, although the latter has a higher endowment.
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Reply 13

'Opportunistic' is the wrong word here, surely?

Reply 14

Original post by Physician
Durham a lot more prestigious than Birmingham, Southampton and Newcastle? Durham isn't even a prestigious university! Prestigious = Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial, UCL. Quite prestigious = Edinburgh, Manchester, Bristol.

Take it from someone older, that has been through plenty of interviews and knows many people in 'the City' etc, Durham is prestigious and the graduate prospects are excellent. It is Oxbridge's weaker younger sibling, but that applies to many of the others you mentioned. Manchester, whilst a good uni (and an amazing city) is not prestigious and isn't anywhere near as selective as those others. Certainly a strong contender for drunkest students within the Russell Group, though.

Reply 15

Original post by Refusetolose
Take it from someone older, that has been through plenty of interviews and knows many people in 'the City' etc, Durham is prestigious and the graduate prospects are excellent. It is Oxbridge's weaker younger sibling, but that applies to many of the others you mentioned. Manchester, whilst a good uni (and an amazing city) is not prestigious and isn't anywhere near as selective as those others. Certainly a strong contender for drunkest students within the Russell Group, though.

Durham is highly selective because it is collegiate, and it's hands are tied for significant expansion given that there is only room for two more colleges to be built, and even then the student population won't be much larger. They refuse to teach occupational courses like Nursing and Landscape Surveying, and so the civic universities like Manchester have to provide these lower entry tariff courses to satisfy the needs of the UK economy.

I am experienced in higher education and in industry, and l know that a lot of people confuse high entry tariffs and selective courses with the prestige of the university. Durham as a whole, taking into account all the pillars that make up a university, including undergraduate, postgraduate, doctoral and postdoctoral studies, as well as global reputation, annual income, endowment etc., all these lead to a conclusion that Durham is strong in undergraduate provision, but is lacking in many other areas. Manchester could swallow Durham whole twice over given the massive disparity in annual income and research power. When the heavyweights of the US such as Stanford or Chicago do research, they look to the likes of UCL and Manchester for collaboration. Durham doesn't even get a look in.

I do want to stress that Durham is indeed very highly regarded by employers for their undergraduate degrees. But if you are hoping to work in academia via higher degrees (MRes/PhD), you won't find the breadth or depth of options available to you for a lot of their subjects. In my particular case none of the academics l engaged with from Durham were able to offer a Bioinformatics PhD project (self-funded) just a few years back, mainly because they didn't have the expertise in that subject to supervise it properly. All the civic universities, like Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle, Leicester etc. responded quickly, and were keen to offer a project subject, to an informal interview.
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Original post by Physician
Durham is highly selective because it is collegiate, and it's hands are tied for significant expansion given that there is only room for two more colleges to be built, and even then the student population won't be much larger. They refuse to teach occupational courses like Nursing and Landscape Surveying, and so the civic universities like Manchester have to provide these lower entry tariff courses to satisfy the needs of the UK economy.
I am experienced in higher education and in industry, and l know that a lot of people confuse high entry tariffs and selective courses with the prestige of the university. Durham as a whole, taking into account all the pillars that make up a university, including undergraduate, postgraduate, doctoral and postdoctoral studies, as well as global reputation, annual income, endowment etc., all these lead to a conclusion that Durham is strong in undergraduate provision, but is lacking in many other areas. Manchester could swallow Durham whole twice over given the massive disparity in annual income and research power. When the heavyweights of the US such as Stanford or Chicago do research, they look to the likes of UCL and Manchester for collaboration. Durham doesn't even get a look in.
I do want to stress that Durham is indeed very highly regarded by employers for their undergraduate degrees. But if you are hoping to work in academia via higher degrees (MRes/PhD), you won't find the breadth or depth of options available to you for a lot of their subjects. In my particular case none of the academics l engaged with from Durham were able to offer a Bioinformatics PhD project (self-funded) just a few years back, mainly because they didn't have the expertise in that subject to supervise it properly. All the civic universities, like Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle, Leicester etc. responded quickly, and were keen to offer a project subject, to an informal interview.

That's a lot of words to say you studied at Manchester and are defending it because of that. I maintain that Durham is prestigious and Manchester is not. Total budgets, breadth of courses and number of students are irrelevant. Of course Manchester's budget (alongside perhaps the majority of North American universities) dwarves that of Durham. It's also far larger than LSE and St Andrews, but we know which are relatively prestigious. I appreciate that all the prestige talk is toxic and, by definition, snobby but the concept is real.

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Original post by Refusetolose
That's a lot of words to say you studied at Manchester and are defending it because of that. I maintain that Durham is prestigious and Manchester is not. Total budgets, breadth of courses and number of students are irrelevant. Of course Manchester's budget (alongside perhaps the majority of North American universities) dwarves that of Durham. It's also far larger than LSE and St Andrews, but we know which are relatively prestigious. I appreciate that all the prestige talk is toxic and, by definition, snobby but the concept is real.

Durham doesn't have an international reputation, so how can it be more prestigious? Prestige comes from global recognition, and well as domestic. What you are referring to is an outdated preconception of Durham from the 80s and 90s. In the modern era, you can't just get by on a great domestic reputation, which is why the likes of Nottingham and York focused more on their global reach, and let go of their previous top 10 domestic status.

Reply 18

Can we stop with the willy waving please.

Your worth is not determined by your choice of university.

Reply 19

Can we stop with the willy waving please.
Your worth is not determined by your choice of university.

I didn't go to either university, so have no horse in the race, although I spent plenty of time with friends at both. The other poster is being defensive. Fortunately, I think the majority of TSR know what's what in relation to the two universities.