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OCR (not MEI) C1 13/05/13

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Original post by Dugald
Dy/dx=-3x^2+6x+4-k
k=-5 so dy/dx=3x^2+6x+9

3x^2+6x+9=9
3x^2+6x=0
3x(x+2)=0
x=0 or x=-2

I did this wrong because instead of doing 4-(-5) while differentiating I did 4-5 so go -1 on the end instead of 9 which gave me a quadratic with no real routes. So I couldn't attempt to find x or y.

How many marks will I lose?

How

First you say the dy/dx = -3x^2 ect.
Then you say dy/dx = 3x^2 ect.

I dont understand where the Negative has come from. Was the original equation; (x-1)(x^2+4x+k)?
Original post by Rrobba
I put the values of x and y into the original equation to see if they satisfied it. Putting x = -2 into the equation gave y = -27. The other value for x did not satisfy the equation and gave a different value for y.


How did you know it didn't satisfy the equation?


Original post by BankOfPigs
Not x-1.

you divide by 1-x

I think you get something like:

y = 9x -9 = -9(1-x)
y = (1-x)(x^2+4x+k)

So -9 = x^2+4x+k
Since k = -5

0 = x^2+4x+4 or (x+2)^2, which shows the repeated root.

At least thats how i did it.


Aha ok, I did a different method xD
Reply 62
Original post by eggfriedrice
Yup, I got 9/2 too.


****, left it as root 81/4. Will i lose the answer mark?

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Original post by Cowcat
Do you even get 'error carried forward' marks in A level?


Yeah you do for some questions, I've seen it in the past paper mark schemes a few times.
Reply 64
Original post by flyhigh99
Do you know the highest grade boundary we ever had?


off the top of my head 61
Reply 65
Original post by eggfriedrice
Ah I did not think of that. :tongue: you're probably right.


I did the same, and put down both we will lose 1-2 marks maximum. Surely wait for mr m for a mark scheme?


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Reply 66
Original post by hannah1258
i did something very similar. Instead of making it equal to -3 i did dy/dx and then put in -3 for x and got some wierd answer which then made the part 3 completly wrong
will there be method marks for this?


Someone please put my mind at ease out of 12 (have a guess) how many method marks would I get???
Reply 67
Original post by gibjb
for the last part i know you had to equate the dy/dx of the curve to 9 and solve to get x. i did this but got 2 x coordinates so i didnt know which one to choose and stopped there. how many marks out of the 5 do you think i would have gotten?? and could anyone explain what you had to do after that step?


You had to say x could not equal zero because the gradient of 9x-9 is positive and at x the gradient was negative. I got (-2,-27) or something similar...
Original post by flyhigh99
Do you know the highest grade boundary we ever had?


No :s last year was 61 for an A I think.


Original post by cheetahs56
****, left it as root 81/4. Will i lose the answer mark?

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Aha, I did that and realised root a square would just cancel out. Hmm I'm not sure, at most you'll lose one mark.
Reply 69
Original post by princess_parisa_22
can we compile a question paper together on here if we're allowed? these answers will be pretty useless unless everyone remembers what they wrote, and i'm sure not everyone will =/ i have a bad memory


If you wait until about 6:30-7 Mr.M will be posting up the answers
However, if anyone has the paper could they scan it and post it?
Original post by Ellie_Rosa
Which minimum point?


the one where you had to complete the square and give the coordinates of the minimum point/vertex
Original post by gibjb
for the last part i know you had to equate the dy/dx of the curve to 9 and solve to get x. i did this but got 2 x coordinates so i didnt know which one to choose and stopped there. how many marks out of the 5 do you think i would have gotten?? and could anyone explain what you had to do after that step?




I got the x co-ordinates, then used them to find out the y co-ordinates. Then to find out with co-ordinates are the correct ones I put them back into the original curve equation, and the ones that equalled 0 showed it was a tangent at that point, I think that is right? So I would guess you would only drop 1 mark, 2 tops.
Original post by Goods
I did the same, and put down both we will lose 1-2 marks maximum. Surely wait for mr m for a mark scheme?


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Hopefully it's just one mark, I was hoping for 100% >.> darn.
Original post by Pataiiii
For the circles question, was the centre - (0,-4) or (-4,0)???


(0,-4)
Reply 74
Original post by Pataiiii
For the circles question, was the centre - (0,-4) or (-4,0)???


i got (0,-4)
Reply 75
Original post by Whyllee
Someone please put my mind at ease out of 12 (have a guess) how many method marks would I get???


I would guess 6-7 provided your method was correct bar the arithmetical error


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Original post by gibjb
for the last part i know you had to equate the dy/dx of the curve to 9 and solve to get x. i did this but got 2 x coordinates so i didnt know which one to choose and stopped there. how many marks out of the 5 do you think i would have gotten?? and could anyone explain what you had to do after that step?


I got 2 x values and then substituted them into the equation of the curve to get two corresponding y values. Then I subbed these values into y=9x - 9 and only x=-2 and y=-27 worked. My other values were x=0 and y=-5 which don't work in y=9x-9 :smile:
Guys, for the inequalities question
3-8x>4
Did you get x<-1/8 or x>-1/8
Reply 78
Original post by Goods
I would guess 6-7 provided your method was correct bar the arithmetical error


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Thank you :smile: I know it's just a guess but thanks *sigh of relief*
Reply 79
Original post by eggfriedrice
Hopefully it's just one mark, I was hoping for 100% >.> darn.


I was hoping for 100% too but I spent all morning throwing up after catching a bug from my mother and so in the scheme of things it's not too bad. For both our sakes I hope that lots of people found it hard so 68/72 or something will ums to 100.


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