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Problem 202: *
Just a bit of fun. Really not very difficult, but it looks nice :tongue:
Find:
1xln(x)ln(ln(x)) dx\displaystyle\int \dfrac{1}{x\ln(x)\ln(\ln(x))} \ dx

And hence evaluate:

eeeee1xln(x)ln(ln(x)) dx\displaystyle\int^{e^{e^e}}_{e^e} \dfrac{1}{x\ln(x)\ln(\ln(x))} \ dx
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Original post by bananarama2
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=[xarcsin(x1x)]01/201/2x12xdx= \left[x\arcsin \left( \frac{x}{1-x} \right) \right]_0^{1/2} - \int_0^{1/2} \frac{x}{\sqrt{1-2x}}dx (*)

I left out the sub and rearrangement. I completely understand why LOTF does it now. Ask if you want.



Footnote: The only stats I know is S1 and that from reading about QM, so I just basically made it up from what I know :teehee:

I used IBP as well. Couple of questions/comments:

1) On the line I've added (*) to, haven't you missed out a factor of (1-x) on the denominator.
2) Whilst you might not want to write out the entire sub, just stating which substitution you've used (In this case u2=12x u^2=1-2x ) might be nice for readers.

(Also, I just realised - I forgot that the integral should have a factor of 2 added to it (From the initial uniform distribution of x) so the answer is actually supposed to be double what I stated. :O )
Original post by DJMayes
I used IBP as well. Couple of questions/comments:

1) On the line I've added (*) to, haven't you missed out a factor of (1-x) on the denominator.
2) Whilst you might not want to write out the entire sub, just stating which substitution you've used (In this case u2=12x u^2=1-2x ) might be nice for readers.

(Also, I just realised - I forgot that the integral should have a factor of 2 added to it (From the initial uniform distribution of x) so the answer is actually supposed to be double what I stated. :O )


I'll fix that, It's because I made a mistake when I did it on the whiteboard and copied the wrong things down :tongue:

Okay :tongue:

I did wonder, because there are two halfs? I wasn't confident enough with my reasoning to say though.
Original post by bananarama2
I'll fix that, It's because I made a mistake when I did it on the whiteboard and copied the wrong things down :tongue:

Okay :tongue:

I did wonder, because there are two halfs? I wasn't confident enough with my reasoning to say though.


It's because you have to take the shorter half, so it's uniformly distributed between 0 and 1/2. The probability density function of this is therefore 2, which gives an extra factor of 2 when doing the integral. The problem was, I moved it to the outside and then had all the integration to do, but forgot to move it back in by the time the integration was done. :lol:
Original post by DJMayes
It's because you have to take the shorter half, so it's uniformly distributed between 0 and 1/2. The probability density function of this is therefore 2, which gives an extra factor of 2 when doing the integral. The problem was, I moved it to the outside and then had all the integration to do, but forgot to move it back in by the time the integration was done. :lol:


Yeh, yeh that's what I meant. It was the initial " x<0.5 malarkey" I had to think about most. For some reason stats just doesn't click with me at all.
Reply 1265
Original post by bananarama2
Yeh, yeh that's what I meant. It was the initial " x<0.5 malarkey" I had to think about most. For some reason stats just doesn't click with me at all.



Don't worry, every 6 in 3 people aren't good at statistics.
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Original post by joostan
Problem 202: *
Just a bit of fun. Really not very difficult, but it looks nice :tongue:
Find:
1xln(x)ln(ln(x)) dx\displaystyle\int \dfrac{1}{x\ln(x)\ln(\ln(x))} \ dx

And hence evaluate:

eeeee1xln(x)ln(ln(x)) dx\displaystyle\int^{e^{e^e}}_{e^e} \dfrac{1}{x\ln(x)\ln(\ln(x))} \ dx


Solution 202:

Lety=lnx Let y = lnx

dy=1x dx dy = \dfrac{1}{x} \ dx

1xln(x)ln(ln(x)) dx=1ylny dy \Rightarrow \displaystyle\int \dfrac{1}{x\ln(x)\ln(\ln(x))} \ dx = \displaystyle\int \dfrac{1}{ylny} \ dy

Let u=lny u = lny

du=1y dy du = \dfrac{1}{y} \ dy

I=1u du \Rightarrow I = \int \dfrac{1}{u} \ du

=lnu+c = lnu + c

=ln(lny)+c = ln(lny)+c

=ln(ln(lnx))+c = ln(ln(lnx)) + c

Plugging in limits, we get 1.
Original post by DJMayes
Solution 202:

Lety=lnx Let y = lnx

dy=1x dx dy = \dfrac{1}{x} \ dx

1xln(x)ln(ln(x)) dx=1ylny dy \Rightarrow \displaystyle\int \dfrac{1}{x\ln(x)\ln(\ln(x))} \ dx = \displaystyle\int \dfrac{1}{ylny} \ dy

Let u=lny u = lny

du=1y dy du = \dfrac{1}{y} \ dy

I=1u du \Rightarrow I = \int \dfrac{1}{u} \ du

=lnu+c = lnu + c

=ln(lny)+c = ln(lny)+c

=ln(ln(lnx))+c = ln(ln(lnx)) + c

Plugging in limits, we get 1.


Nice :smile: I used the sub u=ln(ln(x))u=\ln(\ln(x)) but it all amounts to the same thing :smile:
Solution 202


By inspection, or letting u=ln(ln(x))u=ln(ln(x)), the answer is

ln(ln(ln(x)))ln(ln(ln(x)))

The definite integral is then ln(2).
Original post by james22
Solution 202


By inspection, or letting u=ln(ln(x))u=ln(ln(x)), the answer is

ln(ln(ln(x)))ln(ln(ln(x)))

The definite integral is then ln(2).


I think you may have made a mistake :s-smilie:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integral+of+1%2F%28xln%28x%29ln%28lnx%29%29+between+e^e+and+e^%28e^e%29


Fair enough :lol:
what language is this
must be spanish
maybe french
Original post by bananarama2
I completely understand why LOTF does it now.


Maybe one day, you'll agree on the beauty of this as well...

a,bNa,b\in\mathbb{N}

When a2+b21+ab\dfrac{a^2+b^2}{1+ab} an integer, it is a perfect square.


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(by the way I am not posting this as a problem for the thread)
Original post by Abdullahi_3487
what language is this
must be spanish
maybe french


This beautiful language is maths, one day I hope to speak it as well as LotF, if that is possible :lol:
Reply 1275
Original post by Lord of the Flies
Maybe one day, you'll agree on the beauty of this as well...

a,bNa,b\in\mathbb{N}

When a2+b21+ab\dfrac{a^2+b^2}{1+ab} an integer, it is a perfect square.


Spoiler



(by the way I am not posting this as a problem for the thread)



Just curious, to prove this would it be a **/*** problem?


Edit: Also, why doesn't your picture have a Euro coin falling towards the Eastern side? :colone:
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I like the way my problems stir up so much trouble :tongue:
Original post by Zakee
Just curious, to prove this would it be a **/*** problem?


It is a */**, but a difficult one.

(the joke was that it requires a mathematical argument which I love and which bananarama despises - I'll let you figure out what it is from the picture)
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Original post by Lord of the Flies
It is a */**, but a difficult one.

(the joke was that it requires a mathematical argument which I love and which bananarama despises - I'll let you figure out what it is from the picture)


Spoiler

Reply 1279
Original post by Lord of the Flies
Maybe one day, you'll agree on the beauty of this as well...

a,bNa,b\in\mathbb{N}

When a2+b21+ab\dfrac{a^2+b^2}{1+ab} an integer, it is a perfect square.


Spoiler



(by the way I am not posting this as a problem for the thread)


Infinite Descent?
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