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Reply 20
Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
Yes but LAD culture is "rape eqsue" in my opinion. I'm not saying everyone who is a LAD is a rapist, just that the ideas and actions that are bandied about aare very offensive and rap esque, if that makes sense


No, it doesn't. And frankly it's insulting, offensive and makes me rather worried about what goes on in your head.

For all but, say, one person in every thousand, rape is a horrific crime that you would take seriously. The vast majority of men would intervene to stop someone being raped, even at considerable risk to themselves. Rapists are the lowest of the low by public perception: some of the least accepted people in society. So kindly don't try to suggest rape is somehow acceptable to men: it's a lie.

Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
Yeah, pretty much, and it leads to a trivialisation of actual rape. Saying things like "I'm going to get her drunk before I make a move" "that's a typical pulling method!!!" is very rapey, and glorifies taking advantage of women, and that kind of thing is commonly said


It's not "rapey". Rape is when you have sex with someone without their consent. It is entirely different to people chatting up others when they're a bit drunk. Alcohol makes people more open to social interactions and in a fairly reserved country like our own it's often the only thing that actually gets people talking to one-another.

If you assault and rape someone who is too drunk to know what they're doing, that's rape.
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Original post by tengentoppa
Couldn't agree more. That's like saying there's a murder culture or a mugging culture. It's not a culture. It's some people committing awful acts. If a few doctors rape their patients, is there a rape culture in the medical profession?


This bit is very correct, for me. A common accusation is that edgy jokes of a certain nature trivialise rape. If you ask me, that's extremely one eyed. Declaring that rape jokes (or whatever) are reflective or endemic of society and an indication of a 'rape culture' is frankly just as trivialising; and rather patronising.
Reply 22
Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
The attitudes the article was on about are typical of lad culture..


I think the attitudes the articles present are typical of fascist-liberal victim culture.
Original post by Monkey.Man
haha okay I take the lois thing back, I think it was basically the list of feminist buzz words that gave me the "nagging mother" impression, but do you ever wonder if the "LAD" "culture" is more based on irony and not genuine intent to offend women? do you think it's caused men to rape women more often?


It doesn't seem ironic. There are people who occasionally do it ironically, which is fine, but a lot of them for one seem to stupid to do it ironically, plus they seem to be very into it. It's not just offending women, it's offensive to pretty much everyone. LAD culture is basically just another word for being an obnoxious prick..
Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
Yeah, pretty much, and it leads to a trivialisation of actual rape. Saying things like "I'm going to get her drunk before I make a move" "that's a typical pulling method!!!" is very rapey, and glorifies taking advantage of women, and that kind of thing is commonly said


The women don't have to get drunk...
Reply 25
Daily reminder that you should ignore the silly opinions of ultra feminists and their wacky new theories. "Rape culture", I mean really? It's absurd.
Reply 26
Original post by Rock Fan
Just read an article in the Guardian, seems to suggest there is a big rape culture at Universities. Question is, is there a culture like this? is it on the rise or has it been always like that? Is enough being done to tackle it?


http://www.theguardian.com/education/mortarboard/2014/jan/27/rape-culture-campus


"Rape culture".

Just what exactly does that mean? There is no rape culture in the UK. Look at the statistics. If the UK, or UK universities have a "rape culture" then we have a class A drug epidemic in this country.

What needs to be addressed is how many of those situations involved alcohol and strangers. Research has also shown that with guys, when their testosterone levels increase, their morals do slide, involuntarily so. In short, don't make out with drunk strange guys no matter how nice they may have seemed because you, and he, literally may not know what his next move may be.
With the things like swaps, everyone knows what they are going for. Playing the innocent naive princess card only masks genuine social issues.
What a stupid article. Still, it's to be expected from a blog in The Guardian, I suppose...
Original post by L i b


It's not "rapey". Rape is when you have sex with someone without their consent. It is entirely different to people chatting up others when they're a bit drunk. Alcohol makes people more open to social interactions and in a fairly reserved country like our own it's often the only thing that actually gets people talking to one-another.

If you assault and rape someone who is too drunk to know what they're doing, that's rape.


deliberately getting someone drunk to lower their inhibitions because you want to have sex with them is very rapey. It's premeditated.

If you can't socialise without alcohol, you're socially deficient and have problems


Original post by Plainview
I think the attitudes the articles present are typical of fascist-liberal victim culture.


Okay? You do I don't, don't know what else there is to say on it
Original post by CJG21
The women don't have to get drunk...


No but planning to get someone drunk with the intent it will be easier to **** them is really rapey
Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
No but planning to get someone drunk with the intent it will be easier to **** them is really rapey


Women go out showing all sorts of skin, tart-up, get drunk, get flirty, and then complain when men want to have sex with them. Hmm...

EDIT: I'm not condoning any of the behaviour that leads to rape or sexual offences.
Reply 31
Original post by StretfordEnd
This bit is very correct, for me. A common accusation is that edgy jokes of a certain nature trivialise rape. If you ask me, that's extremely one eyed. Declaring that rape jokes (or whatever) are reflective or endemic of society and an indication of a 'rape culture' is frankly just as trivialising; and rather patronising.


Quite. I'd find rape is one of the subjects people are most cautious about making a joke of. Far more so than murder, or even genocide. Eddie Izzard made some fantastic jokes about genocide. I don't see many comedians releasing DVDs with rape jokes.
Reply 32
Original post by 419
Culture - the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society.
No, calling it culture is where the problem starts off and is counter effective. The word 'culture' indicates that it happens a lot and is very normal (at least seen as normal). This is where a lot of confusing happens and leads to people debating the wrong things and focusing their energy on the wrong aspects. As a result, you get people dismissing that it actually does exist.
Words are powerful like that and the meaning is set. If it was expressed in a better terminology, more people will probably join in with getting rid of the 'culture' and stigmatising. This is where the 'feminist' movement lose a lot of credulity as they take an histrionic approach rather than a pragmatic approach.
Everyone hates a rapist or someone that sexually assault another person.
I use to struggle with this quite a bit. I'd do something idiosyncratic once or twice such for example dosing off in lecture and all of a sudden, I've got the reputation as that guy that dose off in lecture which is far from the truth and confused me when people starts joking about it.


I understand the definition. P: What I describe still stands as the rape culture that I see and that exists. I feel it is the appropriate word for the underlying ideas and behaviours in some communities. ?

I agree everyone hates a rapist/someone who sexually assaults- however people don't always understand or actively show that they do. It is not out of place to mention here what has already been commented on... that lovely lad culture. P: It celebrates sexual 'conquests' and sometimes puts numbers above anything else. It's about ticking something off a box, it's greedy, obnoxious and yeah, very misogynistic. I've seen it come to a point where the lads clearly think they own 'the pussy' about. They think it's theirs to claim. When you and mates are ticking off boxes, whether that grope was totally invited, whether a drunk hand up someone's skirt was allowed, doesn't really matter. Because of the confusion and guilt around sexual harassment - the guilt because I'm sure if all those who had done it before were suddenly given a big Sims diamond to identify them, they would 'realise' - it fades into the world of rape. And, again, trivialises the act. So female and male 'abusers' on the university atmosphere don't really ever come to understand.

I'm not sure about your sleeping anecdote, could you explain why it's relevant here? Obviously, sexual abuse =/= falling asleep in class. I'm sure you understand that I don't paint anyone who makes a joke about sexual harassment with the 'rapist' brush. I simply feel what they are doing is incredibly unnecessary considering the damage it can and has been seen to cause.

I really want to say a bit more because I do have things to keyboard, but my freaking laptop is flashing and my charger is not in my room haha. Rookie mistake.
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Original post by CJG21
Women go out showing all sorts of skin, tart-up, get drunk, get flirty, and then complain when men want to have sex with them. Hmm...

EDIT: I'm not condoning any of the behaviour that leads to rape or sexual offences.


No one is complaining that men want to have sex with them, but premeditating it is rapey. Also what does what someone is wearing have to do with this?
So this woman knows one woman who has been raped and another who has had her drink spiked (doesn't even say it was by a student), and this means there's a rape culture at university?

I have never come across anything to suggest there is a rape culture at university, I know no one else who has. This scaremongering does no one any good.
Original post by corax
The better question is why did the organisers think what they were doing was acceptable.


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It's Tequila, pushing the boundaries, particularly of how drunk you can get and what degree of sexual activity is acceptable in a club (girl being licked out on the dance floor anyone?), is what kept it going for several years and made the organiser an awful lot of money. They eventually pushed it too far, but it fitted with the general trend of their marketing.
Reply 36
Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
It doesn't seem ironic. There are people who occasionally do it ironically, which is fine, but a lot of them for one seem to stupid to do it ironically, plus they seem to be very into it. It's not just offending women, it's offensive to pretty much everyone. LAD culture is basically just another word for being an obnoxious prick..


I don't know where you live but I've seen absolutely no genuinely sexist behaviour emerging from the "LAD culture". if anything it's nothing more than a troll movement, nothing but an obvious giggle. besides, women are sexist all the time for laughs; I remember I had an over-the-top form room teacher who'd always seem to take any chance she'd get to crack a joke about boys being "typical" and unreliable to do anything each time she picked them to get her something, and the girls always laughed along with it - would you call that misandrist or would you call that joking? because this LAD stuff is really just a uniform "joke culture"; women find it annoying sometimes, but that's what trolling is all about; it's not serious, it's only there to wind you up

this "lad" stuff really is nothing new, it's "boys acting like boys for the sake of acting like boys"
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Reply 37
They're overreacting.
Just because a few students have experienced sexual harassment a university doesn't make it a 'culture'.
I think they're jumping to conclusions here.
And they described this mentality as 'laddish' but I don't think 'laddish'='rapey'.


And one thing that really got me in this article:
At Cambridge, "swaps" between men and women of different colleges are a well-known social event. These dinners create an atmosphere in which women are heavily encouraged to drink to the point at which they become sexually vulnerable to the men.

What girl in their right mind would go to these if it puts them in a 'sexually vulnerable' situation? It's just too stupid. :facepalm:
Reply 38
Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
deliberately getting someone drunk to lower their inhibitions because you want to have sex with them is very rapey. It's premeditated.

If you can't socialise without alcohol, you're socially deficient and have problems

If that's true, then the majority of the British population are socially deficient. As I've said, alcohol is a social lubricant and is responsible for a great deal of the social interaction in our society, which is otherwise quite reserved.

I'm rather unsurprised that you're attacking normal social drinking now. There's an unfortunate new prudishness in all this: that people getting drunk and having sex are doing something outrageously wrong and there must be abuse in it; that songs with explicit lyrics are somehow encouraging rapists; that dirty jokes are 'rapey'; that pornography is somehow exploitative and turns people into perverts.

It's neo-Victorian moralising, not anything to do with actually reducing the incidence of rape.
Don't believe everything your read in the newspaper. Especially not a rag like the Guardian.

There isn't such a thing as a rape culture.

Feminists come at me.

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