Charlie Hebdo

Just some of the thoughts of people about this issue..

"They're asking for it"

"They haven't learned their lesson"

Disgusting.

I've never heard of the magazine until last week. Because of the murders and the furore, I'm intrigued by the controversy.

I read an article on spiked-online.com called 'What if Charlie Hebdo was published in Britain? It exposes the hypocrisy the politicians, students and others.

Now, I see why they are offended, buy by doing this, it's added much more publicity and exposure to the magazine. Now, Charlie Hebdo is probably one of the most well-known magazines currently.

What do you believe? Free speech, or not? At the minute, people only believe in it only when it suits them. Either you do, or you don't.

What do you think?

This isn't about free speech or defiance. It's about France's arrogance and double standards.

It is not ok to attack someone's race, gender, ethniciy or religion, so basically anyone's held belief and we have laws against that. But no, in France it's ok to continusly make malicious insults about islam and muslims. No matter how much you disagree with it, it's still wrong.


I find that the Charlie Hedbo magazine is at least partially responsible for what occured.

No it is not, malicious offence only serves to undermine. It has no positive effects to society.

I don't think it should be illegal to express an unpopular of politically incorrect opinion but you shouldn't expect everyone to sit by and take it/ agree with you. You should expect debate, that said you shouldn't have to fear being shot.
I read someone use the example of the work place saying if you mocked islam or said you hated muslims at work you'd get fired or disciplined at least. but this does not only relate to religion if you said you hated women or people over 40 or black people etc in the work place you'd get the same treatment. That's not to say you can't have those opinions it's just to say there's a time to express them.
I don't agree that we should have laws to prevent people expressing those views.
Laws to prevent discrimination perhaps e.g. in NI gay men still can not give blood that's discrimination and we need laws to prevent that. But do we need laws to say you can't say you disagree with homosexuality, no we don't because it's someone's opinion no matter how stupid, uneducated and narrow minded it is.
If we disagree with someone's use of their free speech we have to rise above it or debate it with them

We already have something similar in the uk which is called private eye


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By reading the comics, do you mean you've actually read the magazines or just the cartoons? Because if it's the latter as far as I'm concerned you're just as uninformed as anyone else.

The bit underlined. Really? Really?
People do NOT chose their race, ethnicity or gender. People CHOOSE a religion. It was invented to man, and is open to satire, just like all other ideologies. Which, incidentally, have also been mocked, but I don't see them gunning people down.
So you blame the victims for their own deaths? Not terrorists?

Satire is a genre of literature, and sometimes graphic and performing arts, in which vices, follies, abuses, and shortcomings are held up to ridicule. Some people see in satire an intent of shaming individuals, corporations, government or society itself, into improvement.

In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group.

No they don't choose but what does that matter? You're still attacking a group of people or someone because they are different. I though we stopped doing that a long time ago as part of an enlightened (yeah, right) society.

Ok...just for comparison...ideally i'd have posted one of the comics just before this but i'd probably be banned, so go an find them yourself, a quick google image search should suffice. Now read very carefully.


Still think Charlie Hebdo is satire? It certainly incited violence.

If you think that violence is an appropriate reaction to satire, you are a disgrace to this society.
To anyone with a brain, this was a huge over reaction. Some butt hurt terrorists couldn't deal with their anger, and people died as a consequence. So yes, it was satire. I don't see anyone else responding with gunfire.
As for not attacking "different" people. The people at Hebdo, and anyone else you accuse of attacking Islam, are entitled to that opinion. It's not like they're being attacked over race, something they can't choose. They choose to be Islamic, and a lot of people disagree with Islam.
If you're suggesting that people are not allowed to disagree with Islam, then I suggest you rethink the idea of the religion of peace and tolerance.