German Hunter pays £39,000 to kill largest elephant in living memory

Original post by redferry

That ain't going to save any elephants though :wink:

Some of the other charities I listed will. Personally, I think it's more important to focus on buying up land and protecting that as wild habitats (as you go on to discuss below).

Actually elephant conservation is bloody rolling in dosh, wish we had that much for wild dogs and cheetahs :frown:

They're endangered as well, not just bloody 'vulnerable', pssshh

I always say the best thing anyone can do for conservation is to get filthy stinking rich and buy up land and protect it/donate to world land trust. Wish I had done it, I'd be having far more of an impact than I do now...

I totally agree with you there, it's important to give all endangered living things a fighting chance. Protecting habitat is the way to do it.

Did you ever read about the multi millionaire publisher, Felix Dennis? When he died he bought an entire forest for exactly this reason. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/gardenstovisit/10976303/Felix-Dennis-and-his-forest-of-good-fortune.html

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Captain Jack

Original post by Roving Fish

Glad to see that you got a nice looking theme finally! :smile:

Do you like it? I'm still not sure. I think it needs to be more magaziney on the homepage.

Reply 143

Captain Jack

Original post by Fullofsurprises

Yes.

Also, if you have any actual nature under your control, look after it, care for it, think about how it can be pro-wildlife. This can be anything from a patch of grass outside your back door to a park you regularly visit or a patch of countryside you care about and be part of. There are an awful lot of humans, but the more we all think and care about what we do and our surroundings, the better things will get.

Exactly. Recycle, give nature a helping hand. Doesn't take much but really helps.

One thing I learnt is to be organic as a gardener, and never use compost with peat in.

Reply 144

What a dumb thing to say.

People are not allowed to care for the planet but eat meat? What a pile of rubbish.

Reply 145

So Instinct

This saddens me greatly. It never sits well in my stomach but the arguments for and against are still there and I cannot deny that. Personally it sickens me that an animal whether it be a dog or elephant is killed for nothing more than fun, yet I still eat meat for pleasure of taste, so do I have any right to berate someone else?

I do agree it is a little sadistic to get so much joy from the process of taking a life, I see it as no different to taking a human life in all honesty. But I've actually been part of the process so perhaps seeing life leave an animal has scarred me.

The fact that we choose whether or not this animal deserves to live or die has never sat well for me either, sure I understand we will know better but to so casually say this living thing should lose it's life for the better or others is just.. I have no words. Imagine a scenario where you learn that your life will be taken to 'preserve nature'.

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Reply 146

Have you ever studied, well anything at all?

Your arguments seem way too similar to that of a year 7 religious studies teacher who failed their education and became a teacher.

My arguments were perfectly valid and related - they related a profession, to what they know against how they actually act. Just like you did, and I proved how ridiculous you're being.

Just because they're a little bad for the planet, doesn't mean we should stop it all together. There are too many things that we do that are much worse for the planet than eating meat, but I bet you wouldn't give them up.

Reply 147

No they're not. A hypocrite would be someone who campaigns to stop eating meat for environments sake, but then eats meat themselves.

Someone is not a hypocrite if they simply acknowledge a primary/ secondary effect of their actions, but still choose to do them regardless, because they feel the positives outweight the negatives. That's called choice, not hypocrisy.

How can you even compare picking up something from a supermarket against physically raping or torturing an animal. Lmaooo

Reply 148

Original post by Captain Jack

Some of the other charities I listed will. Personally, I think it's more important to focus on buying up land and protecting that as wild habitats (as you go on to discuss below).

I totally agree with you there, it's important to give all endangered living things a fighting chance. Protecting habitat is the way to do it.

Did you ever read about the multi millionaire publisher, Felix Dennis? When he died he bought an entire forest for exactly this reason. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/gardenstovisit/10976303/Felix-Dennis-and-his-forest-of-good-fortune.html

Yeah he's such a legend. I wish more rich people were that cool.

Reply 149

udvuvvdu

I don't understand the point of trophy hunting or fun hunting. Why would you kill a live animal for fun?

I understand how sometimes you feel the urge to play a gun or something, wouldn't a shooting range be enough? Isn't this is why video games exist?

Poor elephant :frown:

Reply 150

Original post by redferry

Yeah he's such a legend. I wish more rich people were that cool.

Isn't extinction at like it's highest rates ever at the moment? Not sure, just remember reading about it.

Reply 151

JD1lla

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You sound like the kinda guy to watch Cowspiracy and then talk about it to a bunch of uninterested people at a party.

I just bought a new cookbook with a fantastic recipe for five spice duck. I share the same sentiment as @DiddyDec. I will cook this duck in your honour. I will name my slaughtered duck rock climber86 and it will be beautiful and crispy, just like you.

Reply 152

It's not my remit to talk about those things - I study the effect of climate change on one species, which has massiveley benefitted from cattle ranching in my study site so it'd be pretty hypocritical to knock it.

I'm not really sure you understand how science works to be honest.

You refused to acknowledge my argument ok killing deer at all so why bring it back up? I'm a conservationist, of course I think killing deer to protect biodiversity is important and right. Unlike you, who'd rather see them as the only species left in the UK countryside as long as no animal dies by human hands.

Reply 153

so not eating meat because of its impact on climate change is the same as not acknowledging diet as one of the biggest contributors to climate change now.

Riiiiiight

Reply 154

Original post by ComputerMaths97

Isn't extinction at like it's highest rates ever at the moment? Not sure, just remember reading about it.

Probably not ever, but it is believed we are undergoing a 6th mass extinction event yes.

Reply 155

JD1lla

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If somebody offered to season me in aromatic five spice and fry me on a medium-high heat I'd happily oblidge.

Would you stop wild animals from eating eachother?

Savage? I'm the kind of guy to snort cocaine off a chicken breast. You're damn f***ing right i'm savage. I'm the Wolf of Vegan Street, baby.

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Reply 156

But without biodiversity most animals would die? Your logic is so twisted :/ you'd rather deer suffered a long slow starvation than a quick bullet to the head...

Of course culling people would be more beneficial but obviously that isn't an option, not that is want it to be, there are better more ethical ways to bring the human population down that unfortunateley aren't available in animals (education, contraception)

Reply 157

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by redferry

But without biodiversity most animals would die? Your logic is so twisted :/ you'd rather deer suffered a long slow starvation than a quick bullet to the head...

Of course culling people would be more beneficial but obviously that isn't an option, not that is want it to be, there are better more ethical ways to bring the human population down that unfortunateley aren't available in animals (education, contraception)

What if the next holocaust is committed by conservationist extremists :eek:

Reply 158

JD1lla

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If they could, they probably would though....

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Fullofsurprises