Two explosions at Brussels Airport, several injured

Original post by 41b

It might be different this time. It might be used to criminalise the FN and ensure a 'Republican' victory.

That sounds extremely unlikely, verging on paranoia

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Original post by EccentricDiamond

If I was criticising national socialism then I would be criticising Nazis. if I criticise islam then you of course I am criticising muslims

So Islam is above criticism?

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Original post by TheArtofProtest

Where does the DGSE appear on your "Best Intelligence Agencies"?

you mean DGSI einstein

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EccentricDiamond

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Original post by BeastOfSyracuse

So Islam is above criticism?

Absolutely not, Islam is one of the greatest evils in the world (all religion is evil) and it deserves every ounce of criticism, ridicule and mockery that it deserves

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Original post by TheArtofProtest

Where does the DGSE appear on your "Best Intelligence Agencies"?

Making a list of that sort would be puerile, for the kind of person who is unable to understand these matters except in the simplest terms.

But there is little question that DGSE's scope has always been considerably greater than the BND, which has always been fairly Germany and Europe centric.

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Original post by BeastOfSyracuse

No, I mean the DGSE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate-General_for_External_Security

i cant with any earnest have a conversation about this with someone that doesnt know the difference between an internal security agency and external

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Original post by Reformed

i cant with any earnest have a conversation about this with someone that doesnt know the difference between an internal security agency and external

You seem to be confused. Brussels is not within the borders of France

I might say I can't have an earnest conversation with someone who is incapable of basic punctuation and capitalisation, but I'm not looking for arguments which you appear to be

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Original post by BeastOfSyracuse

You seem to be confused. Brussels is not within the borders of France

I might say I can't have an earnest conversation with someone who is incapable of basic punctuation and capitalisation, but I'm not looking for arguments which you appear to be

i think you both confused ( or very immature) the DGSI pick up surveillance of threats within frances borders, which is what we are talking about. maybe you are in the wrong forum.

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thunder_chunky

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Original post by Frank Underwood

You're criticising Islam, and therefore implicitly criticising Muslims.

And your anti-Muslim rhetoric is isolationist and nationalist which is consistent with right-wing policies, just as it was before you threw me that BS about how you're 'anti-Islam' but not 'anti-Muslim'. You said several times that 1.5 billion Muslims are responsible for the tiny fraction who are committing terrorist attacks.

It is possible to criticise a religion without criticising it's followers, let alone all it's followers. FYI, when I made comments about all Muslims being responsible I was being somewhat tongue in cheek, however I do think there is more of a responsibility by that community to do more. And I don't see an issue with criticising a religion or it's teachings when something is done in it's name, or even when it isn't. Especially when those teachings are very old and very outdated, not to mention very irrelevant. I see no harm in criticising those beliefs or even blaming them. And if you think that's an attack on all it's followers then so be it. And if you think that it is an unfair attack on all it's followers then boohoo, cry me a river cupcake.

I am an atheist, I don't care for any religion, least of all any religion which is used to justify violence. That isn't nationalist or isolationist, it's just an atheist point of view. But it's clear that you are more concerned about protecting the feelings of those from the religious community than those who are affected by terrorism or those who wish to stop it. You are definitely part of the problem that faces our society today. You are part of the regressive social politically correct community who attack those who point to the smoking gun, rather than pointing to those who hold the smoking gun. But we already knew all of that about you. You have already made that abundantly clear.

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Original post by Reformed

i think you both confused ( or very immature) the DGSI pick up surveillance of threats within frances borders, not any german agency

You still appear to be confused. Brussels is in a country called Belgium, which is external to France. DGSI has no jurisdiction there.

I was responding to a comment in which the user mentioned French intelligence in the context of Mossad and BND, and in the context of its networks in its former colonies. Perhaps you're not aware, Mossad is an external facing agency, as is BND.

The Israeli domestic agency is Shin Bet, the German domestic agency is BfV. Perhaps you should brush up on these basic distinctions, otherwise you're liable to look foolish

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Original post by TheArtofProtest

Brussels has not sub-contracted it's intelligence work to the Germans and neither have the French.

i think i could spend a lot of my life trying to explain this which is why i didnt want to bother - dgsi is repsonsible for tracking cells activity in france - they were responsible for tracking their nationals movements on return from syria and indeed the attack in paris. why do you think dgsi are german??

actually dont bother , trying to explain

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Original post by BeastOfSyracuse

You still appear to be confused. Brussels is in a country called Belgium, which is external to France. DGSI has no jurisdiction there.

that was my point from the beginning re the paris attacks - try reading the postd instead making yourself look like an ass

Original post by BeastOfSyracuse

I was responding to a comment in which the user mentioned French intelligence in the context of Mossad and BND, and in the context of its networks in its former colonies. Perhaps you're not aware, Mossad is an external facing agency, as is BND.

i made no comment on any such post, mossad or BND - again hence why i asked you if you were confused or a minor

Original post by BeastOfSyracuse

The Israeli domestic agency is Shin Bet, the German domestic agency is BfV. Perhaps you should brush up on these basic distinctions, otherwise you're liable to look foolish

how is that relevant to anything we are talking about - do me a favour, find a thread where you bringing up irrelevant information is appreciated.

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Original post by TheArtofProtest

I'm telling you that the DGSE are French, not German, Belgian or Israeli.

indeed and their remit is foreign intelligence whereas dgsi the internal agency, would be the one whoose remit would be to track the paris attack cell. unfortunatly as i pointed out to you about 10 posts ago, it was planned in belgium and therefore the failure of their internal sss that facilitated paris attacks ( thus making it a redundant example on your behalf)

perhaps you can read this post 6 or 7 times and digest the information then relay it on to your friend Beast

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Original post by TheArtofProtest

But you are saying that the attacks were planned in Brussels.

Brussels is in Belgium, a whole different country.

Here, perhaps a map (with border lines) could help you:

i think i cant see why you fumbling with understanding - you seem to be under the misconception that foreign facing agencies know about all plots going on in all other countries round the world.

ok , i cant compete with this level of intellect, youve probably watched far more daniel craig movies than me. ill graciously bow out

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nulli tertius

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Original post by Reformed

beef up security - and intelligence powers - high level strategy on tackling islamic radicalisation and ideologies - deep scrutnisation/monitoring of islamic communities, deep cover agents to be planted withing islamic cells, mosques islamic centres etc.
intelligience gathering and pre-emptive action is the only thing anyone can do against terrorism that breeds within a community. we are not donald trump

And I suspect that is what the Brits, the French and the Germans will do but Belgium is virtually a failed state. It is largely incapable of any collective action.

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