Is this racist?banker claims black people are just not clever
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Original post by WBZ144
I have more than enough experience with the likes of you, no need for superpowers 
Besides, if we were to apply the logic that you have been applying throughout this thread, would it mean that White males in the UK generally lack the intellectual capacity to get into higher education, considering that they are now a minority group at universities?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/9484597/White-males-now-classed-as-a-minority-group-at-university.html
Besides, if we were to apply the logic that you have been applying throughout this thread, would it mean that White males in the UK generally lack the intellectual capacity to get into higher education, considering that they are now a minority group at universities?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/9484597/White-males-now-classed-as-a-minority-group-at-university.html
So, this is what playing tennis without the net feels like, 'the likes of me' should know better than to argue with special folk like yourself.
Instead of pointing to problems in the reasoning for my position, you make hyperboles and try to change the topic, that's when you aren't telling me what I think then generalizing me on for it...ffs this is just gold.
You wont read this until tomorrow when you log on, but you should know that when you do, I'm probably still laughing.
Original post by PrincePaul678686
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Must you always rant on.
I challenge you to walk along a color spectrum and tell me where orange ends and yellow begins, you wont be able to do it ergo colors don't exist... science !
Original post by HanSoloLuck
on this issue.Blacks do have a higher crime rate by the way,
Ever heard of BernieMadoff ? A few years ago he got caught stealing 50 000 000 000 dollars. That's 50 billion. The fact that you probably have not heard of him is telling.
I would like you to show me a single black person who has stolen by fraud lets say at least 100 million dollars.
It is also good to remember that one Bernie Madoffcan actually put whole towns out of business, with all its jobs and houses andpopulation, black or white.
If crime is being discussed it must be done so init’s social context, not as straight forward numbers by rote. Anyone can lookbad if these stats aren’t put into context.
I also notice how you do not even whisper the word white organized crime. And yet, from 1920’s up to now, white organized crimewas the biggest crime in the USA and Europe and one of the biggest in the world.
If we think that at its peak Mafia Cosa Nostra alone had some 3000 to 4000 members. Weknow that out of that number most guys had killed at least one individual. They had to. You do not enter this organisation without participating in a murder,and in the past the requirement was actual murder..
That alone puts the number of their murder victims in thousands. Even when some members did not personally killed anybody, others did by dozens.
Add to this the drug trade which they controlled pretty much from 1930’s. How manypeople died during those decades from over doses and other drug relatedreasons? Thousands at least. The drug trade by white organized crime literallydestroyed dozens of black neighbourhoods all across the USA from New York toDetroit, to Chicago to LA.
Andthat was nothing? Nothing criminal ? How many victims that had ? Hundreds of thousands.
Add to that the massive commercial thievery, lonesharking, gambling, numbers, prostitution, porn, labour unions, corruption of politicians,judges, judicial systems in several cities and forgery, robberies,transportation, fashion industry, clothing industry, waste management etc.
It is very funny how you promotingthe idea of black criminality somehow forget all of that
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Original post by HanSoloLuck
Must you always rant on.!
I use to lurk on TSR for YEARS before I made an account. But then I saw to much b.s and I said enough is enough.
White people are just as bias as anyone else. But unlike everyone else white people have the power to have it presented as neutral and objective, to have it stand as the centre point of all thought and opinion, to have it taken seriously no matter how brainless it is.
The fact remains that given the appeal of racist logic to so many, and given the strength of institutional racism as a defining force, I can hardly afford the luxury of ignoring such positions, so as to “not give you legitimacy.” The fact is that racism already enjoys plenty of legitimacy.
You are the person that wants to use science to justify racism well
A scientific fact is that rain water freezes at 0°C at a pressure of 1 bar.
There’s no human choice involved. It’s observable and reproducible anywhere by anybody in the exact same way. Now a scientific fact, peer-reviewed, confirmed and approved, can have political consequences.
Using the simple water example, it means that public administration, set into function by politics, orders winter road service to get ready once the temperatures fall below 0°C and the roads are wet.
But yet you throw around concepts that have no constant repeatability everywhere you try to reproduce the experiment or apply the theoretical claim.
In natural science, only one single significant deviation is enough to render the claim at least disputable, at worst invalid.
You are trying to make an absolutist claim by using extremely relative variables – variables, which (as should be obvious by now) they can’t even be bothered to define in relativist fashion.
Your argument works (to the extent that it works) on the force of rhetoric alone simply because so many people naturalize race and can’t conceive that such an important thing could be constructed by anything other than transhuman divine providence (or Mother Nature, take your pick).
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Original post by zetamcfc
So everyone should take Maths exams, and we determine intelligent from not intelligent by that?
So everyone should take IQ tests and we determine intelligence from that?
The guy is clearly a racist
However, there is truth in some of what he says. Black people, a vast majority being poor, do have the tendency to act ghetto and tend to lack education, and so would have no chance in an industry like banking.
However, there is truth in some of what he says. Black people, a vast majority being poor, do have the tendency to act ghetto and tend to lack education, and so would have no chance in an industry like banking.
Source?
You're racist too since you've also managed to generalise an entire race.
Original post by connormc199
Scrap that last comment, the interviewee is so hypocritical about how uneducated black people are, yet he/she is incompetent on using basic grammar and spelling. Additionally it is very prejudicial and racist to claim that 'black people' have the lowest IQ, especially considering the most powerful man in the world (essentially) is of black origin...
The most powerful man in the world is as much white as he is black.
He is saying dumb black people are dumb. That's not racist but painfully obvious.
If he says all black people are dumb that would be racist.
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If he says all black people are dumb that would be racist.
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Original post by pelaitsc45
You don't have to be clever to adapt to things well. Clearly these people are stupid compared to other countries. What did Africa amount to without white help? Or the aborigines. It seems to me that you are confusing intelligence with instinct and innate ability.
Au Contraire
Firstly, the people responsible for African downfall are dictatorial, greedy African leaders. The people have little to no say . It's not fair to say 'These people are stupid compared to other countries' but it's not the first time someone has said that. I'll just have to prove myself to people like you that I'm not in fact stupid just because I was born and raised in Africa. Do you think we like being ****ed in the ass by our shitty government? Do you think we all have a hand in the destruction of our continent? Do you think I like being called a savage and a criminal by virtue of the country I come from? A sub Saharan dog?
Nope. Let me tell you, in a little village in my home town some kids built a fully functioning drone out of pretty much nothing and they didn't go to school. Look up kids like kelvin doe or watch Inside Africa on CNN.
Africans aren't inherently stupid. We've just found ourselves in an unfortunate situation that can only be solved by people like me rising up to the occasion and doing something about it.
Secondly, African leaders aren't even stupid either. Check their credentials. Quite a few of them are Ivy League/Oxbridge educated. It's just that they're insanely greedy and would rather build a mansion in Europe than feed starving millions.
Until there's substantial peer reviewed proof otherwise, it has little to do with race.
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Original post by physicsphysics91
IQ tests done by race show Asian > White > Black though.
Controlled IQ test where all races where brought up in roughly the same conditions show there's no significant difference between any race.
The difference arises when you just compare populations as a whole
Original post by HanSoloLuck
If you want to talk about Nicolas Cage then the entertainment section is in another part of the website, I'll see you there right after I'm finished talking with the adults.
I see, you have no arguments so completely ignore my point and result to insulting me.
Didn't expect anything else.
Another one of the problem is that racism white supremacy is that white people don't know nothing beyond what other white people have told them
Less than 22% of the world is white.
Less than 11% of the world is white and male.
Less than 2.3% of the world is white, male and speaks English.
Yet they run the BBC, ITV, SKY, CH4 and 5. Every major newspaper too. Over in the states they run CNN, the New York Times, Harvard. They write most of the Hollywood films and Wikipedia articles. English-speaking white men own and run nearly all the main bits of the Vast Talking Machine.
This is not to say that English-speaking white men are always wrong or always agree among themselves. But when they do generally agree on something but are wrong about it, it is very hard to set it right. I think it's dangerous to be overly dependent on any one part of the world for your knowledge of the world as a whole.
Less than 22% of the world is white.
Less than 11% of the world is white and male.
Less than 2.3% of the world is white, male and speaks English.
Yet they run the BBC, ITV, SKY, CH4 and 5. Every major newspaper too. Over in the states they run CNN, the New York Times, Harvard. They write most of the Hollywood films and Wikipedia articles. English-speaking white men own and run nearly all the main bits of the Vast Talking Machine.
This is not to say that English-speaking white men are always wrong or always agree among themselves. But when they do generally agree on something but are wrong about it, it is very hard to set it right. I think it's dangerous to be overly dependent on any one part of the world for your knowledge of the world as a whole.
Original post by Jebedee
It has nothing to do with who I am. I just follow the evidence to a conclusion without trying to impose my personal feelings onto the matter. I don't think its a particularly nice or popular truth but a truth nonetheless.
But it's not a truth.
You don't follow any evidence.
Your conclusion is wrong.
Many people have pointed numerous flaws in your line of argumentation, and yet you still say "muh facts".
Be ashamed of yourself, you closet racist.
Original post by HanSoloLuck
It shows many different races comparatively. Along with gender segregation, it shows that, for example, higher income blacks do worse than lower income whites.
SAT scores was the only data I could find that took into account both IQ, requiring estimation for translation, and income.
You are asking for data that doesn't exist, but all the available data has shown that there is a racially correlated IQ difference. You might want to reject the position based on conclusive data that pertains to socioeconomic status, but you are playing a paradoxical game.
Does socioeconomic status predetermine IQ, or does IQ determine socioeconomic status.
It seems reasonable to assert that in a capitalist society which we live poor demographics that can achieve a better position do. The Irish for example were treated akin to slaves in America, as were the Chinese, both demographics have a higher than average IQ in America now.
In a pattern shown worldwide, black demographics have not been able to. The evidence seems undeniable to my eyes.
IQ is hereditary, not my fault the world works this way.
SAT scores was the only data I could find that took into account both IQ, requiring estimation for translation, and income.
You are asking for data that doesn't exist, but all the available data has shown that there is a racially correlated IQ difference. You might want to reject the position based on conclusive data that pertains to socioeconomic status, but you are playing a paradoxical game.
Does socioeconomic status predetermine IQ, or does IQ determine socioeconomic status.
It seems reasonable to assert that in a capitalist society which we live poor demographics that can achieve a better position do. The Irish for example were treated akin to slaves in America, as were the Chinese, both demographics have a higher than average IQ in America now.
In a pattern shown worldwide, black demographics have not been able to. The evidence seems undeniable to my eyes.
IQ is hereditary, not my fault the world works this way.
Yea, because you're a racist who wants this to be true.
Original post by ohgeez
IQ is ********. The only thing that matters in life for a man is how big your cock is and how good you can dance. Everything else is peripheral.
I would happily trade my IQ for a bbc.
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Original post by HanSoloLuck
I never contested this, and it's an argument from authority. The right answer or position is not predicated on how many people in the thread disagree with you.
What is an "argument from authority"? Yours?
What point haven't I responded to
A number of posts talking about the validity of IQ testing, the IQ score and therefore the validity of any argument that is based on using IQ to make judgements about races of people.
Which information have I denied to accept because of my bias.
See above.
Original post by HanSoloLuck
It shows many different races comparatively. Along with gender segregation, it shows that, for example, higher income blacks do worse than lower income whites.
SAT scores was the only data I could find that took into account both IQ, requiring estimation for translation, and income.
You are asking for data that doesn't exist, but all the available data has shown that there is a racially correlated IQ difference. You might want to reject the position based on conclusive data that pertains to socioeconomic status, but you are playing a paradoxical game.
Does socioeconomic status predetermine IQ, or does IQ determine socioeconomic status.
It seems reasonable to assert that in a capitalist society which we live poor demographics that can achieve a better position do. The Irish for example were treated akin to slaves in America, as were the Chinese, both demographics have a higher than average IQ in America now.
In a pattern shown worldwide, black demographics have not been able to. The evidence seems undeniable to my eyes.
IQ is hereditary, not my fault the world works this way.
SAT scores was the only data I could find that took into account both IQ, requiring estimation for translation, and income.
You are asking for data that doesn't exist, but all the available data has shown that there is a racially correlated IQ difference. You might want to reject the position based on conclusive data that pertains to socioeconomic status, but you are playing a paradoxical game.
Does socioeconomic status predetermine IQ, or does IQ determine socioeconomic status.
It seems reasonable to assert that in a capitalist society which we live poor demographics that can achieve a better position do. The Irish for example were treated akin to slaves in America, as were the Chinese, both demographics have a higher than average IQ in America now.
In a pattern shown worldwide, black demographics have not been able to. The evidence seems undeniable to my eyes.
IQ is hereditary, not my fault the world works this way.
Question: On a day to day basis, do you assume that you have superior intelligence to every black person you come across due to these findings?
Second Question: Do these findings mean that black people should be discriminated against in the job market and in education because we are dumber than everyone else? Should black people on power be stripped of their posts so they don't **** things up?
Third Question: Do you agree with this statement? 'Recent summaries of the debate call for more research into the topic to determine the relative contributions of environmental and genetic factors in explaining the apparent IQ disparity among racial groups'
I ask because the first time these tests were taken it lead to the mass maltreatment and segregation of blacks in American society which gave rise to the civil rights movement.
If it is in fact true that this is purely genetic I'd like to have the peace of mind that I won't be discriminated against.
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the article is racist and more than a few people in this thread (and TSR in general) are also racist.
so much for the racial progress of the 60s and 70s, eh?
so much for the racial progress of the 60s and 70s, eh?
Original post by AperfectBalance
In all honesty If I had any position of power and was hiring someone who came to the interview and said Ay man wassup I am looking for a job I would turn him away immediately regardless of race. same with the people who say Axe instead of ask.
Speak properly or get out.
Speak properly or get out.
What about an irish accent?
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Original post by StrawbAri
Question: On a day to day basis, do you assume that you have superior intelligence to every black person you come across due to these findings?
Hadn't thought about it, I tend to treat people as individuals and on a relatively even ground regardless of race.
Being said, the majority of blacks I have met, not all, have fit the negative stereotypes.
The data on black demographics is pretty hard to escape or brush over, my opinion is based in facts and evidence not personal experience or bias. The IQ difference is real, it correlates with race and it explains all of this apologetic nonsense, it has evidence to back it up, it follows logical reasoning.
To accept that socioeconomic status played such a huge factor is paradoxical, every group everywhere in the world started off poor, only black societies stay that way. The counter arguments are all completely unfalsifiable and unprovable.
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