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Fascist march in Warsaw today

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Original post by mirko123

And that because they are butthurt that Poland want to remain a homogenous country and not making mistakes like you.


You know Polish homogeneity is a relatively recent development? It only really dates back to the late 1940s. Before WW2, Poland was very much a multiethnic country.

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Original post by anarchism101
You know Polish homogeneity is a relatively recent development? It only really dates back to the late 1940s. Before WW2, Poland was very much a multiethnic country.

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Yes, and this is how exactly an argument for settling refugees or enforcing diversity in Poland?

Poland was back than country with the most Jews in the world (3 Millions), there was also a large portion of Ukrainians in than polish city Lwow. It was a nightmare, the ukrainians were slaugthering Poles. So did the Germans on the West.

I say, no more diversity. It was a nightmare back than. Especially not now the islamistic refugees and blacks.

Monoculturalism is a God givens gift. Such societies have low crime, and virtually no terrorism or any other form of conflicts. Korea and Japan are not stupid enough to import foreigners.
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Original post by mirko123
Let say for the sake of argument this true, and Poles go around streets blaming Jews and blacks. Since there is almost no there, who do they actually hurt with this marches?


The success and publicity of these groups would inspire other groups with similar view points to do the same thing, go around marching with such provocative statements and possibly cause issues in other countries. Can you imagine if a large group of people went around blaming blacks and jews for their problems in London and Birmingham? We would get the kind of conflicts that antifa and the alt right are having in the states right now, something we do not need.

A rising racist and far right rhetoric is bad for many countries, not just the one where it is taking place.
Original post by TheBBQ
The success and publicity of these groups would inspire other groups with similar view points to do the same thing, go around marching with such provocative statements and possibly cause issues in other countries. Can you imagine if a large group of people went around blaming blacks and jews for their problems in London and Birmingham? We would get the kind of conflicts that antifa and the alt right are having in the states right now, something we do not need.

A rising racist and far right rhetoric is bad for many countries, not just the one where it is taking place.


Well, this is actually not a problem of Poland and nobody from Poland is asking somebody from Birmingham or London to do the same.

Even the people from Poland in the OP are LARPers, and not real original National Radical Camp from the 1930s. Why does Guardian gives so much attention to a small amount of people? (it is an attempt to smear Poland) Poland is a country that values freedom of speech in contrary to most western countries.

There is no street fighting in Poland between antifa or somebody else. Such deviantes are only typical for multicultural society where there are great social conflict. Poland is monocultural so there are no street fightings.
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Original post by mirko123
Well, this is actually not a problem of Poland and nobody from Poland is asking somebody from Birmingham or London to do the same.

Even the people from Poland in the OP are LARPers, and not real original National Radical Camp from the 1930s. Why does Guardian gives so much attention to a small amount of people? (it is an attempt to smear Poland) Poland is a country that values freedom of speech in contrary to most western countries.

There is no street fighting in Poland between antifa or somebody else. Such deviantes are only typical for multicultural society where there are great social conflict. Poland is monocultural so there are no street fightings.


You don't need to ask. The populist and anti-immigrant rhetoric is resonating throughout the states and europe right now.

In the video that was shown, it shows them clashing with the police on quite a large scale. Instead of each other, they fight with the police.
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Original post by TheBBQ
You don't need to ask. The populist and anti-immigrant rhetoric is resonating throughout the states and europe right now.

In the video that was shown, it shows them clashing with the police on quite a large scale. Instead of each other, they fight with the police.

Source for this claim?

According to the media a few 5-6 thugs were arrested which was expected for such demos. but the generall outcome was peacefull.
Original post by mirko123
Yes, and this is how exactly an argument for settling refugees or enforcing diversity in Poland?


Well, for a start, it demonstrates that "enforcing diversity" is a contradiction in terms. Heterogeneity is the default norm - it is what happens in the absence of state interference. It is homogeneity that must be rigidly imposed and enforced.

Poland was back than country with the most Jews in the world (3 Millions), there was also a large portion of Ukrainians in than polish city Lwow. It was a nightmare, the ukrainians were slaugthering Poles. So did the Germans on the West.


Precisely because the Nazis and Ukrainian nationalists were looking to homogenise their areas.

Monoculturalism is a God givens gift. Such societies have low crime, and virtually no terrorism or any other form of conflicts. Korea and Japan are not stupid enough to import foreigners.


Er, you may recall from history that the post-1868 process of cultural homogenisation in Japan created one of the most militaristic, warlike and aggressive societies ever seen.
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Original post by anarchism101
Well, for a start, it demonstrates that "enforcing diversity" is a contradiction in terms. Heterogeneity is the default norm - it is what happens in the absence of state interference. It is homogeneity that must be rigidly imposed and enforced.


Well, hate crime legislation, anti-discrimination laws etc, all require state interference. In America most white businesses in the South probably wouldn't have ever served black clientele if they weren't forced too for instance. And mass immigration is incentivised by the government more than anything, you can't really compare the modern situation with already heterogenous populations.

"Diversity" with all the connotations of that word is very much something forced from "above", and would never have been possible if it weren't for centralised state authority having an agenda for it.
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Poland needs immigration. It has the second lowest birth rate in the EU and a falling population. Many of its young people are leaving. Without immigration the country will have a huge elderly population and not enough people of working age to sustain the economy. Maybe these fascists will realise their mistake when they have no pension, and their care home closes because it has no staff.
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"by its own projections, its population is forecast to fall to 33.9 million by 2050. By then, a third of the country will be over 65 years old, and the median age will be 51, from 38 today."
Original post by anarchism101
Well, for a start, it demonstrates that "enforcing diversity" is a contradiction in terms. Heterogeneity is the default norm - it is what happens in the absence of state interference. It is homogeneity that must be rigidly imposed and enforced.

LOL It is the opposite.

UK was homogenous 50 years ago, everything was fine, than came the left-winger and told you need migrants from third world
Germany was relativly homogenous 2 years ago, everything was fine, than Merkel decided to invite millions of regufees
Poland is today a homogenous society, peacefull compared to the terror plagued UK, now the EU is forcing Poland to accept refugees

Dont you see the pattern here m8? It was homogenous societies that are under constant attack for being to white.

And even when you enforced diversity. You than need to bully the native population with hate speech laws, policising of words and even policing of though (implicit bias), PC culture and so on.... Hey man, your PC police bully you so much that they even wish that the state regulates intimate though, becase muh implicit bias. How dare people have preferences to their own group, right?

And you now claim that diversity is not state enforced, while monoculturalism yes?



Original post by anarchism101
Precisely because the Nazis and Ukrainian nationalists were looking to homogenise their areas.

Well, according to the multiculturalist theory that should have never happened. Poland never opressed its ukrainian and german minority. It gave them the same rights as every other polish citizen, even tolerating their languages and local tradition... Yet still, that prevented ukes and Germans to start a killing spreee on Poles.

i guarantee you, the same would happened in the UK if it suddenly go to choas and anarchy. You are full of jihadist and mulims. They would use the first opportunity to clean the UK from the kuffrs. Like it or not, but that is the reality.



Original post by anarchism101
Er, you may recall from history that the post-1868 process of cultural homogenisation in Japan created one of the most militaristic, warlike and aggressive societies ever seen.

No, that was not that I have thought. Multicultural societies were also waging wars back than. I am speaking about internal conflicts. Japan even during WW2 and when it was nuked did not had Ferguson-type riots. If America and UK today had the conditions of Japan during WW2 they would collapse in matter of days.
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Original post by Lit teacher
Poland needs immigration. It has the second lowest birth rate in the EU and a falling population. Many of its young people are leaving. Without immigration the country will have a huge elderly population and not enough people of working age to sustain the economy. Maybe these fascists will realise their mistake when they have no pension, and their care home closes because it has no staff.
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"by its own projections, its population is forecast to fall to 33.9 million by 2050. By then, a third of the country will be over 65 years old, and the median age will be 51, from 38 today."


Fertility rate of Poland is about 1,9. The problem of the population declining is not that Poles do not fuc.k and have not kids, it is the EU open borders. Once the economy is stabilised there would not be a need for this.

Also, even if Poland has a demographic problem. There are far more better solutions than importing third worlders. Every normal government has a demographic policies to stimulate the birthrates. Why does the UK does not have it?

Demographic policies includes rewarding couples with a lot of kids with money and tax exeption. It is far more adequate and civilised than importing migrants.
Original post by mirko123
Fertility rate of Poland is about 1,9. The problem of the population declining is not that Poles do not fuc.k and have not kids, it is the EU open borders.

Nope, Poles are not having kids. If the median age is already 38 and rising to over 50, all the sex in the world won't help. From the link I posted earlier "the birth rate is also falling, with the average number of children per women of child-bearing age dropping from 1.99 in 1990 to 1.26 in 2013. It is the second-lowest in Europe and means that every year fewer Poles are born to supplement the future workforce. The EU average is 1.58. "
Yes, many Poles have moved to live in another country. Presumably they have no problem with the idea of multiculturalism and immigration. Will there be a day soon when most of the people still living in Poland are old, racist and infertile? Don't be too ashamed. No EU country has a positive birthrate. Merkel realised this when she accepted Syrian refugees, and increased the number of younger skilled workers in her country.
You state that you don't want 'third-worlders' as if you somehow believe that you are better than them. I hear similar comments in the UK by racists who complain about 'Eastern European immigrants' (That's a reference to Poles btw). Presumably your views on immigration match those of the EDL, and you will be marching to get all those Eastern Europeans deported from the UK.
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Original post by Eunomia
Where?



You are aware that Poland has taken almost no refugees, aren't you?



Like I said: net migration to Poland is incredibly low. I am sure that they have issues within their country that actually do affect them, which is why I think it is stupid to spend all of that energy blaming the phantom non-Whites, many of who do not want to move to their country in the first place.



I have already illustrated how and why it is.



I belittle people who aren't smart or educated enough to recognise the real problem. People who fall for the divide and conquer narratives of politicians teach them to blame the "others" for all of their problems in order top deflect from their own incompetence. If they want to further shoot themselves in the foot by supporting the likes of Trump because their feelings were hurt at being mocked, so be it. They are the ones who suffer the most in the end under politicians who aim to cut the little help they get with healthcare, food programmes, etc. People like me will be just fine.

Honestly, I can't even sympathise anymore.


Poland took huge number of Chechenians and no other country helped Poland back then when Poland asked for help, Many migrants from ukraine works and lives in poland about 1 million, same number as number of Poles in western europe. It is funny that u guys are not well informed how Jews control all the media and how much do they control with thier money. Well how could you if you aint looking at the names of most powerfull people in the world.
You know we can all do with a 101 lesson in determining the distinction between a "refugee" and a "migrant". They are not the same.

A refugee is someone who flees their country for fear of of persecution or their safety. A migrant is just someone who leaves voluntarily to look for a better/easier life for themselves.

There may be an argument to say that Poland (as part of the EU) should be obliged to take in numbers of refugees although Poland has voluntarily taken in thousands of Ukrainian refugees already.

However, I cannot for the life of me understand or accept that any sovereign nation should be forced to take in migrants.

Ever wondered why so many of these so called "refugees" are nearly all men ?? What checks are made to establish the status of each person i.e. refugee or migrant. Coupled with the statistical fact that any western country with a sizeable muslim population has a far greater chance of suffering a terrorist attack then I am baffled that people are surprised that Poland and Hungary haven't opened their doors to young men from an unidentified part of the world with unidentified intentions with an unidentified refugee/migrant status.

Of course, we could always adopt the opposing view and just let anyone into the country who wants to come here. It makes a mockery of the passport and customs system but hey ho, why allow a 100 years of procedural evolution get in the way of thousands of men who want to come here because their life will be easier ??
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Original post by FriendlyPenguin
I heard someone else call them fascist. But seriously, they are of the National Radical Camp, look at the flags.



That's not good enough evidence to make claims.

The burden of proof isn't on us. Please don't make us do the work you haven't done.

I'm not denying your claim, neither am I accepting it until further research [by someone] has been done.

Sources pls.

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inWhat used to be the most multicultural country on the continent, and what had most of the partisan organizations during WWII socialist, is now indeed one of the less tolerant countries in Europe.

Don't be afraid though, If you though about cheap holidays in mid-Europe, it is perfectly safe to travel. Doesn't matter if it's a big city or not the worst thing that can possibly happen is that some people will look at you if you're black, because it's such a rare view here and seeing a black person is a phenomenon.
Asians on the other hand, have absolutely nothing to worry about. Far-east Asians have a very good opinion in this part of the world, people are used to them and like them.

Original post by Rorschach II


I'm not denying your claim, neither am I accepting it until further research [by someone] has been done.

Sources pls.



It may be difficult for you to read sources... You'd need to read Dmowski or Jan Mosdorf.

That on the photos indeed was a National-Radical Camp. They are pro-catholic, nationalistic though don't seem to be as bad as the pre-war Italian fascist for example. Not racist, though they are racial-separatists. Occasionally some of their members are sentenced to prison for the propagation of fascism.

Most of people in Poland don't like them because of their black uniforms, the symbols, and the fact that they do Roman/Nazi salutes. Ideologically they don't seem to be that bad. If we were to make a very rough comparison it would be more like old British imperialism, rather than German Nazism or even Italian fascism, however Dmowski, for example, believed in a world-wide Jewish conspiracy.
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Original post by spiritusuk

Ever wondered why so many of these so called "refugees" are nearly all men ??

1, Because young men are more likely to risk their lives on the perilous journey.
2. Young men are less likely to give up on their journey. The elderly and infirm often stop as soon as they are out of the direct war zone.
3. Young men are at greatest risk in wartime. Many young men from Syria are fleeing military conscription, which would force them to kill their countrymen for a leader they don't support. The elderly and children don't get conscripted.
4. Young men and women are more likely to try to make a new start. Many elderly people do not want to leave the country they have lived in for 50 or 60 years.
Original post by spiritusuk

any western country with a sizeable muslim population has a far greater chance of suffering a terrorist attack
Not true. Italy has accepted a huge number of refugees but experienced little terrorism. Norway has taken fewer refugees, but had 77 killed and 319 injured in a gun and bomb attack. Sweden has a high number of Muslim refugees per capita but is less troubled by terrorism than Northern Ireland, with relatively few. Terrorist attacks in Spain have fallen in the last 30 years despite an increase in their Muslim population.
Original post by spiritusuk
why allow a 100 years of procedural evolution get in the way of thousands of men who want to come here because their life will be easier ??
The same argument that was used by the USA when they turned away the 'St Louis' , carrying Jewish refugees in 1939. 254 of those turned back were killed in the Holocaust. How dare they try to escape Germany to make their life easier?
Original post by Eunomia
I'm not too surprised; they have had mass protests against multiculturalism and "Islamisation" for quite a while now. Their population is overwhelmingly White and Muslims are around 0.1%, yet their voices are among the loudest in Europe.

As a Black woman I am reluctant to visit many of the countries in Eastern Europe, and certain Central European countries like Poland. The big cities would probably be OK, but their reputation for racism and seeing these huge protests is off-putting.


Black people have their own countries, as a Black woman perhaps you are unable to see things from their WHITE perspective.


Black people have made it quite clear that they wish to replace our population with Black people. You really think we're all going to stand by and tolerate that?

You hide behind other White people you have guilt tripped into shilling for you.


Unless White British people, we Poles do not feel White guilt that you promote.
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