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Attached below an integration problem, giving me a hard time. Could someone solve it step by step and in details.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357467921985044480/410570058968858625/unknown.png
Full solutions are not allowed.

Try the substitution u=a5+ax4u=a^5+ax^4 as the numerator is a constant multiple of the derivative of the denominator.
Reply 2
Original post by BobbJo
Full solutions are not allowed.

Try the substitution u=a5+ax4u=a^5+ax^4 as the numerator is a constant multiple of the derivative of the denominator.

As, I mentioned ; I did that already here's what I ended up with.
ln71/8aln7 * 1/8a
Hence,that's why am asking for the solution
Original post by Darke1231
As, I mentioned ; I did that already here's what I ended up with.
ln71/8aln7 * 1/8a
Hence,that's why am asking for the solution


I make it 14aln(172)\displaystyle \frac{1}{4a}\ln\left(\frac{17}{2}\right)

As BobbJo said, posting full solutions is against forum rules. Post your working if you'd like someone to check it.
Reply 4
Here's how I approached it.
Find
Unparseable latex formula:

\displaystyle \int_{a}^{2a}\[\frac{x^3}{a^5+ax^4}


let u=a5+ax4u=a^5+ax^4
Therefore, du=4ax3dxdu=4ax^3 dx
, dxdx = 14ax3\frac{1}{4ax^3} dudu
, x3dxx^3 dx =14a\frac{1}{4a} dudu
We will define the boundaries later, integrating:
x3u\displaystyle \int\frac{x^3}{u} dxdx
Since x3dxx^3 dx =14a\frac{1}{4a} dudu
1u\displaystyle \int\frac{1}{u} * 14a\frac{1}{4a} dudu
Integrating we get;
lnuln|u| * u4a\frac{u}{4a}
Re-defining the limits as we are dealing with uu;
Since u=a5+ax4u=a^5+ax^4
Where xx=a, uu=2a52a^5
,Where xx=2a, uu=17a517a^5
So your definite integral will look like this:2a517a5\displaystyle \int_{2a^5}^{17a^5}
Subtracting "After substantiating in value got from the integration\mathrm{After \ substantiating \ in \ value \ got \ from \ the\ integration }" the upper limit from the lower limit will result in 15a44\frac{15a^4}{4} * ln172ln\frac{17}{2}
However, the answer I got is incorrect , point out the mistake.
Thanks.
Reply 5
Original post by ghostwalker
I make it 14aln(172)\displaystyle \frac{1}{4a}\ln\left(\frac{17}{2}\right)

As BobbJo said, posting full solutions is against forum rules. Post your working if you'd like someone to check it.

My answer is wating approval from a mod.
Original post by Darke1231
Here's how I approached it.
Find
Unparseable latex formula:

\displaystyle \int_{a}^{2a}\[\frac{x^3}{a^5+ax^4}


let u=a5+ax4u=a^5+ax^4
Therefore, du=4ax3dxdu=4ax^3 dx
, dxdx = 14ax3\frac{1}{4ax^3} dudu
, x3dxx^3 dx =14a\frac{1}{4a} dudu
We will define the boundaries later, integrating:
x3u\displaystyle \int\frac{x^3}{u} dxdx
Since x3dxx^3 dx =14a\frac{1}{4a} dudu
1u\displaystyle \int\frac{1}{u} * 14a\frac{1}{4a} dudu
Integrating we get;
lnuln|u| * u4a\frac{u}{4a}


You seem to have acquired an extra "u".

Should be lnu×14a\displaystyle\ln |u|\times \frac{1}{4a}


Re-defining the limits as we are dealing with uu;
Since u=a5+ax4u=a^5+ax^4
Where xx=a, uu=2a52a^5
,Where xx=2a, uu=17a517a^5
So your definite integral will look like this:2a517a5\displaystyle \int_{2a^5}^{17a^5}
Subtracting "After substantiating in value got from the integration\mathrm{After \ substantiating \ in \ value \ got \ from \ the\ integration }" the upper limit from the lower limit will result in 15a44\frac{15a^4}{4} * ln172ln\frac{17}{2}
However, the answer I got is incorrect , point out the mistake.
Thanks.


Aside from going wrong earlier, if you had continued along this path, you'd have ended up with:

17a44ln172a44ln2\displaystyle \frac{17a^4}{4}\ln 17 - \frac{2a^4}{4}\ln 2 which doesn't simplify to what you put.
Original post by Darke1231

1u\displaystyle \int\frac{1}{u} * 14a\frac{1}{4a} dudu
Integrating we get;
lnuln|u| * u4a\frac{u}{4a}


Thanks.


The integration there is incorrect. du4au=14alnu\displaystyle \int \dfrac{\mathrm{d}u}{4au} = \frac{1}{4a}\ln|u|

I haven't worked through the rest of the question, but does that solve your problem?
Reply 8
Original post by ghostwalker
You seem to have acquired an extra "u".

Should be lnu×14a\displaystyle\ln |u|\times \frac{1}{4a}



Aside from going wrong earlier, if you had continued along this path, you'd have ended up with:

17a44ln172a44ln2\displaystyle \frac{17a^4}{4}\ln 17 - \frac{2a^4}{4}\ln 2 which doesn't simplify to what you put.

I see, Thanks. However, in integrating:
 1u14a\displaystyle\int\ \frac{1}{u}*\frac{1}{4a} dxdx
Why multypling them then integrating? and why not integrating 1u\frac{1}{u} then integrating 14a\frac{1}{4a} as a constant? to be u4a\frac{u}{4a} As this what I did (How I ended up with the extra uu)
Reply 9
Original post by K-Man_PhysCheM
The integration there is incorrect. du4au=14alnu\displaystyle \int \dfrac{\mathrm{d}u}{4au} = \frac{1}{4a}\ln|u|

I haven't worked through the rest of the question, but does that solve your problem?



I see, Thanks. However, in integrating:
 1u14a\displaystyle\int\ \frac{1}{u}*\frac{1}{4a} dxdx
Why multypling them then integrating? and why not integrating 1u\frac{1}{u} then integrating 14a\frac{1}{4a} as a constant? to be u4a\frac{u}{4a} As this what I did (How I ended up with the extra uu)
Original post by Darke1231
I see, Thanks. However, in integrating:
 1u14a\displaystyle\int\ \frac{1}{u}*\frac{1}{4a} dxdx
Why multypling them then integrating? and why not integrating 1u\frac{1}{u} then integrating 14a\frac{1}{4a} as a constant? to be u4a\frac{u}{4a} As this what I did (How I ended up with the extra uu)


When you integrate a function multiplied by a constant, you just integrate the function itself and leave the constant multiple unaffected.

eg 5a×u du=5a×12u2=52au+k\displaystyle \int 5a \times u \ \mathrm{d}u = 5a \times \frac{1}{2}u^2 = \frac{5}{2}au + k

where aa and kk are constants.

This example is no different.
Original post by Darke1231
I see, Thanks. However, in integrating:
 1u14a\displaystyle\int\ \frac{1}{u}*\frac{1}{4a} dxdx
Why multypling them then integrating? and why not integrating 1u\frac{1}{u} then integrating 14a\frac{1}{4a} as a constant? to be u4a\frac{u}{4a} As this what I did (How I ended up with the extra uu)


Well, 1/4a is just a constant, you can pull it out of the integral.

14a×1u  du=14a1u  du\displaystyle \int \frac{1}{4a}\times \frac{1}{u}\; du = \frac{1}{4a}\int\frac{1}{u}\; du

If you're going to try treat it as a function of u, then you're trying to integrate a product of two functions, in which case you need to use integration by parts. It's massive overkill, but you might find it useful as an exercise to do it that way.

There is no justfitication for integating the product of two functions one at a time and multiplying them. If there were you could have, for example:

x2  dx=x×x  dx=x22×x22=x44\displaystyle\int x^2\;dx = \int x \times x \;dx = \frac{x^2}{2}\times\frac{x^2}{2}= \frac{x^4}{4} which is clearly WRONG.
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Reply 12
Original post by ghostwalker
Well, 1/4a is just a constant, you can pull it out of the integral.

14a×1u  du=14a1u  du\displaystyle \int \frac{1}{4a}\times \frac{1}{u}\; du = \frac{1}{4a}\int\frac{1}{u}\; du

If you're going to try treat it as a function of u, then you're trying to integrate a product of two functions, in which case you need to use integration by parts. It's massive overkill, but you might find it useful as an exercise to do it that way.

There is no justfitication for integating the product of two functions one at a time and multiplying them. If there were you could have, for example:

x2  dx=x×x  dx=x22×x22=x44\displaystyle\int x^2\;dx = \int x \times x \;dx = \frac{x^2}{2}\times\frac{x^2}{2}= \frac{x^4}{4} which is clearly WRONG.

I see, Thanks.
Reply 13
Original post by K-Man_PhysCheM
When you integrate a function multiplied by a constant, you just integrate the function itself and leave the constant multiple unaffected.

eg 5a×u du=5a×12u2=52au2+k\displaystyle \int 5a \times u \ \mathrm{d}u = 5a \times \frac{1}{2}u^2 = \frac{5}{2}au^2 + k

where aa and kk are constants.

This example is no different.

Thanks.
Original post by Darke1231
Attached below an integration problem, giving me a hard time. Could someone solve it step by step and in details.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357467921985044480/410570058968858625/unknown.png


Original post by Darke1231
As, I mentioned ; I did that already here's what I ended up with.
ln71/8aln7 * 1/8a
Hence,that's why am asking for the solution


I'm not sure where you mentioned that.
Reply 15
Original post by BobbJo




I'm not sure where you mentioned that. I must be blind. I feel bad that I can't read minds.

I mentioned it was giving me a hard time, yeah, suck to be you, bud.

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