Texan state legislature considering bill that would make abortion punishable by death

So killing an unborn, unformed human is such an awful sin that it’s OK to kill a fully formed, sentient adult who does it.

The irony is too strong, I’ve had to sit down.

Anyone still want to pretend that a pro-life position has anything to do with "the sanctity of life" rather than being just a forced birth position designed to enable systemic misogyny?

Are you against the death penalty for murderers also? The intention is that a murderer can potentially murder an unlimited amount of people in their lifetime and by killing them, the death toll is capped at one.

I'm sure people are capable of justifying their own positions. Without your ill informed inference that looks like it's come straight out of a Huffpo headline.

Are you against the death penalty for murderers also? The intention is that a murderer can potentially murder an unlimited amount of people in their lifetime and by killing them, the death toll is capped at one.

I'm sure people are capable of justifying their own positions. Without your ill informed inference that looks like it's come straight out of a Huffpo headline.

Abortion isn't murder and embryos aren't people.

They can claim to justify their positions, but a "pro-life" position is in reality an anti-choice and forced birth position (you can decide you'll never abort regardless of circumstance without then forcing that on other people and stripping them of their bodily autonomy), and when the pay gap is predominantly the result of a promotion and hiring gap, where women are disadvantaged in career advancement because of the assumption they'll have to take time out for kids, forcing that to be the case does mean enabling that form of systemic misogyny. Not to mention the massive issues around criminalisation of it - for instance treating people who have miscarriages as potential criminals, the inevitable increase in deaths of pregnant people who attempt back alley abortions or who abuse themselves (e.g. taking dangerous, uncontrolled drugs) to try and induce a miscarriage.

That's an assertion and I doubt you have any conclusive reasoning to demonstrate otherwise.


I wasn't aware that abortion was criminalised in the UK. If you have evidence as such then turn it into the police as it would clearly fly in the face of UK law.

Not sure how you managed to cram the wave gap myth in there but I'm sure if you looked at the numbers, you'd see that the vast majority of abortion recipients aren't exactly the career woman type.

How's it an assertion? It's not criminalized in the UK so it's not murder by definition.Murder is unlawful killing of a human being.Its not unlawful and a small collection of cells is not a human being by any definition.So really it's a fact.

I'm talking from a moral standpoint not legal. No one really knows when a human comes to be, and as we are talking about life, the logical choice is to err on the side of caution and assume that life begins at conception until we know otherwise.

That's not the logical choice at all.Thats the religious choice.Logic doesn't come into it.Most insects have more brain cells than an embryo which has just being conceived.By that logic swatting an insect is murder.And don't say it's because it will grow to be human.Its not a human yet so it's not murder.We don't do this with any other crime.We don't say oh she'll grow up to be a young woman so it's not child abuse.We don't say oh it's not theft because he was going to give it back.No.What matters is the present.In the present moment the embryo is not yet a human being so it's not murder.

Anyone still want to pretend that a pro-life position has anything to do with "the sanctity of life" rather than being just a forced birth position designed to enable systemic misogyny?