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I need to get ln…I didn’t

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Reply 1
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Should be 4+U^2 instead so 4+x
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Reply 2
Check your integrand in u on the penultimate line. You know the result is ln(), so that must be a ....
Looks ok otherwise. I would have simply done dx/du = 2u though. Also remember its a definite integral, so you have limits.
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Reply 3
Original post by mqb2766
Check your integrand in u on the penultimate line. You know the result is ln(), so that must be a ....
Looks ok otherwise. I would have simply done dx/du = 2u though. Also remember its a definite integral, so you have limits.

du/dx=1/2 x^-1
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Reply 4
Original post by Heixi
1/2 x^-1

Not sure how you get that?
Just carefully apply your substitution to the original integral.
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Reply 5
Original post by mqb2766
Not sure how you get that?
Just carefully apply your substitution to the original integral.

Oh so it should be 2f (2+u)^-1 du
Reply 6
Original post by Heixi
Oh so it should be 2f (2+u)^-1 du

Yes, so just integrate.
Remember the original limits (definite integral) as well.
Reply 7
Original post by mqb2766
Yes, so just integrate.
Remember the original limits (definite integral) as well.

So 2ln|U+2|
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Reply 8
Original post by Heixi
So 2ln|x+2|

Sort of, its "u" not "x" . Then apply the definite integral limits.
Note the two multiplier can brought inside the log as a power using the usual rules.
This gives something similar (not identical) to the expressions you give at the end of #2.
Reply 9
Original post by mqb2766
Sort of, its "u" not "x" . Then apply the definite integral limits.
Note the two multiplier can brought inside the log as a power using the usual rules.
This gives something similar (not identical) to the expressions you give at the end of #2.

ln|5+2 root 6 /2|
Original post by Heixi
ln|5+2 root 6 /2|

Dont think so, but Ive no idea what youve done.
Reply 11
I’ve subbed the limits into u= x^1/2
Then ln(2+root 6)^2 - ln(4)
ln (( 2+root 6)^2)/4
The original limits are 36 ,0 not 4,2
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Original post by Heixi
I’ve subbed the limits into u= x^1/2
Then ln(2+root 6)^2 - ln(4)
ln (( 2+root 6)^2)/4

Thats different from the previous expression and still not correct.
I still don't know how you get those terms.
Reply 13
Original post by mqb2766
Thats different from the previous expression and still not correct.
I still don't know how you get those terms.

Oh I think it because I subbed back the x terms instead of leaving it in U like I was supposed to
Original post by Heixi
Oh I think it because I subbed back the x terms instead of leaving it in U like I was supposed to

Try and do it carefully and upload your full working if necessary?
Reply 15
Original post by mqb2766
Try and do it carefully and upload your full working if necessary?

I got ln16
Original post by Heixi
I got ln16

Last try, can you upload your full working.

Being negative, you could guestimate the integral is ~0.3 as the width is 2 (4-2) and the height is ~1/6. So ln(16) is way out. However, it is part of the answer.
Reply 17
Original post by mqb2766
Last try, can you upload your full working.

Being negative, you could guestimate the integral is ~0.3 as the width is 2 (4-2) and the height is ~1/6. So ln(16) is way out. However, it is part of the answer.

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Original post by Heixi
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So the limits are different from the OP? They were 2 to 4, now they're 0 to 36? ln(16) is correct for these limits.
Reply 19
Original post by mqb2766
So the limits are different from the OP? They were 2 to 4, now they're 0 to 36? ln(16) is correct for these limits.

It was written wrong ,sorry .
Thanks so much for the help

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