How to stop people doing pointless degrees

English is pointless. Take the Shakespeare bull**** out of the curriculum and just teach students how to argue, persuade and write. We don't need to analyse how red curtains foreshadow the death of his mum or some BS like that. And yes we would have lawyers, because students are graduating from Oxbridge every year. And yes, doing a STEM subject at Oxbridge does make you superior to doing a English degree at Manchester.

English is pointless. Take the Shakespeare bull**** out of the curriculum and just teach students how to argue, persuade and write. We don't need to analyse how red curtains foreshadow the death of his mum or some BS like that. And yes we would have lawyers, because students are graduating from Oxbridge every year. And yes, doing a STEM subject at Oxbridge does make you superior to doing a English degree at Manchester.

Pointless - having little or no sense, use, or purpose.

All degrees have a point.

The government could limit the places on these courses like they do for medicine?


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OP, you really make no sense. If you truly believe that a STEM degree will get you a well paid job and you love your STEM subject, it is irrational to want to encourage more people to do STEM because it will make it harder for you to get your well paid job in STEM.

I can only think that you are either jealous of sociology/art/psychology folks or you don't enjoy your STEM as much as you imply you do.

Wat. Psychology isn't stem? o.O :P

The definition of STEM is a bit vague. But it is Sciences Technology Engineering and Maths. By Science, it is not meant all the sciences. It is only meant the 3 hard sciences: Chemistry, Physics and Biology. So when the goverment/industry says they are gonna invest on STEM, they don't meant to invest on sciences other than the 3 above.

So nope, stuff like Psychology, Sociology, Linguistics, Anthropology and the like are not part of the "Sciences" component of STEM.

Ah gotcha. I have always found the STEM definition as really arbitrary... as it leaves out many sciences.

Nope, it is just another version of your own high fees for everyone argument. Your point was that people doing "pointless" subjects raises the fees for everyone. My point was that if these people don't go to uni to do these "pointless" subjects, universities won't get as much money meaning that they won't be able to afford some of the equipment needed for the hard sciences. Plus, all these people not going to uni would be doing low paid jobs which as I said would not cover the costs of starting a family which is something many of these peeps would do. Thus, they would claim benefits and make the government divert uni funding towards covering these benefit claimants. This is not something you would want. On top of this, low paid jobs are related to experiencing mental illness which would mean that the government would spend more money on also treating their mental illnesses. And if a poor socioeconomic background is breeding ground for anti-social behaviour that is even more money that the government needs to divert from things like universities' funding to tackle these anti-social lowly educated lowly paid young peeps.

You started a childish bait thread, I was merely responding in kind. 'English' covers a stupidly broad spectrum, which your narrow-minded view negates, if you're going to argue that something's pointless, I'd narrow it down a bit more than 'just all of English, lol'.

Also, your earlier 'autistic English teacher' comment was enough to make me think you're probably a bit of a ****, so I couldn't care less if my response is 'childish'.

No you put words into my mouth by implying that I think all of English is pointless.

1. Well if they pay for their uni using loans that they don't pay back then the uni isn't really profiting? Of course, they will spend some of their own money but not as much as people who pay loans back. 2.And people going to uni doing art get low paid jobs anyway so why waste years on uni. Again, I also believe that 3. if someone starts a family without the financial ability to pay for their children then it's their problem - not ours.

You stated as much in your OP.

Whatever, go forth and become a success, prove me wrong - I'm rooting for you.