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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    In this instance your mindset seems to be a major problem.
    You seem to think that punishment is intrinsically good, and that it shouldn't be about rehabilitation, automatically damning anyone who changes.
    Punishment itself seems to be about someone deserving something bad to happen to them, would you disagree with that?
    No, I would not. Punishment is the serving of justice. When you commit a crime, you should have to face a proportionate amount of justice. When you torture and murder children, getting a life sentence is going easy on you.

    If a crime doesn't involve murder, then I'm all for rehabilitation. But ending a life is just about the worst thing anyone can do, and I don't have any sympathy for people who do it nor do I ever want them running around in society again no matter how much rehabilitation they've undergone.
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    (Original post by Delta Usafa)
    No, I would not. Punishment is the serving of justice. When you commit a crime, you should have to face a proportionate amount of justice. When you torture and murder children, getting a life sentence is going easy on you.

    If a crime doesn't involve murder, then I'm all for rehabilitation. But ending a life is just about the worst thing anyone can do, and I don't have any sympathy for people who do it nor do I ever want them running around in society again no matter how much rehabilitation they've undergone.
    Therein lies the problem, 'justice' seems to be about wrong doing those who have done wrong.
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    Therein lies the problem, 'justice' seems to be about wrong doing those who have done wrong.
    If it's something you've earned yourself, there's nothing wrong with it.

    I also think prison should be a deterrent, not some sort of human recycling plant. It's not going to stop anyone committing crimes if they know they'll just spend a few years in there before being set loose to do it all over again.
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    (Original post by Delta Usafa)
    If it's something you've earned yourself, there's nothing wrong with it.

    I also think prison should be a deterrent, not some sort of human recycling plant. It's not going to stop anyone committing crimes if they know they'll just spend a few years in there before being set loose to do it all over again.
    It justify acting badly on the basis of bad acts being committed. And then labels them as different because they were committed by people who dis-like the former act.

    When have deterrents ever worked at decreasing crime?
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    It's kind of scary how they can't comprehend what they did was wrong from what I was reading.
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    Prison should be partly about punishment, even if the offender does not 'benefit' from this, i.e. it won't stop them reoffending, if it was my child they tortured I would want them to have some sort of punishment inflicted.

    Then it should be about rehabilitation, but I don't believe all people can be rehabilitated. Some can, sure, but some will never be able to change.
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    let them live... they still deserve a chance.. all these friggin politicians are going to war with other countries after money, killing thousands of people , no one is really looking to put them down
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    Tough one.

    I know quite a few kids from broken homes that have some very colourful goings on and none of them feel the need to beat other people senseless. However, they will have been influenced by their upbringing . . .

    I'd want them to be given major psychiatric help and some seriously stable adult influences. Until they've passed muster mentally, spent some serious time in a young offenders institute and shown real remorse and understanding for what they have done, I don't think they should be allowed back on the streets.

    Whatever anyone wants to say - 10 and 11 year olds know that brutally beating someone is NOT OK.
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    Other ... Shoot em both
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    If they're screwed up enough to do that at a young age, they'll NEVER be cured.
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    This is obviously the sort of crime that's so horrific it brings a hugely emotional and angry response - understandably so. I cried when I read about the descriptions of the boy's injuries and feel unspeakable hatred towards the two boys that carried it out. However young they are, they know what cruelty is, and yet they carried out an act of unbelievable cruelty and felt no remorse or compassion. Clearly psychopaths, clearly evil. (Although in time, I think I, along with everyone else, will come to feel more sympathy, as details of the home circumstances emerge)

    And yet, as they say; Law is 'reason free from passion'; and confronting the horrific abuse of children with more horrific abuse of children is quite obviously not an option in civilised society. Capital punishment simply has no place in 21st century Western society. And no country in the world, not even China, executes children under 16; this would be unprecedented.
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    I believe they should jailed indefinitely, with access to psychiatric help, and only released when they are no longer deemed be a threat to the safety of others.
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    I'm not an advocate of capital punishment, even in these extreme circumstances, but I think life imprisonment without the possibility of parole would be right.
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    (Original post by Alexio)
    I think I'm well within my right to post my opinion on a public messageboard, just like you are doing.
    The job I have in mind certainly does involve compassion for people, sometimes it will be extremely trying circumstances as well.
    Debt to society paid? Pah, these boys will get a few years in jvenile detention, treated to widescreen TVs etc and then be out and about, on the dole, doing nothing for the society that treats them oh so brilliantly.

    I have already said that whilst I cannot jusify keeping these two monsters alive, I also cannot justify state-sanctioned killing, as I am generally against the death penalty. I wrote 'get rid of them' ina subjective way. The best thing would be to lock them up for life, no tv, no fun. But thats not the way lovely liberals do it, is it?
    Thats funny, you've obviously been in a prison, since you know so well about what goes on inside. Prison isn't like the media protray it. Around £2.50 is spent on their food per day, they get one shower every 4 days, and if they want soap, they have to buy it using money earnt fromn chores etc. You truly are an idiot, if you believe everything you hear in the Sun about what prison is like. Its not nice, its not fun, and years in a place like that are soul crushing. Unbleiveable that you would post such a load of **** on somewhere like this.
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    I cannot believe some people on this thread want capital punishment. The only places left in the world that allow juvenile capital punishment are Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Pakistan and Yemen. Please tell me no-one here seriously ever wants to see the UK on that list. The lack of knowledge of both human development and the workings of the justice system here is astounding.
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    My anger is more directed towards the parents than the children. I think the parents are more responsible. Therefore their punishment should be greater... Life imprisonment, say. After all, they've effectively created two sadists.

    I really want to say 'put the children in a mental hospital until they get better, they're children, they are not wholly responsible for their actions' - partially because I think it and partially because that way I won't have bucketloads of unfair remarks with regards to my character/political beliefs/morality being made. But the sad truth is that no one can be sure of the extent that psychological help would be effective. They could be given all the help and mental reprogramming in the world and still be let out one day, and repeat the behaviour - or something similar. Is it worth the risk? Is it worth giving the two children the benefit of the doubt and allowing them back onto the streets one day when they have already destroyed the lives of other entirely innocent children, and when the potential lives that they could take in such a future circumstance would almost definitely also be innocent?

    I'm afraid I think it is not. I think the children, having been mentally distorted at such a young fundamental age, are a lost cause. Therefore were I making the decisions, as much as I want to say 'lock them away', I just don't see the point of doing that unless there's a significant chance of full recovery, and since I would not risk the safety of more people should they ever be let out, I have to conclude capital punishment (in the most painless way possible).

    I realise that my opinion here is based on my understanding of the situation and were I more in the know, especially regarding the effectiveness of psychological treatment, my opinion would be subject to change.

    It's certainly a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation for whoever IS making the decisions.

    On a less pacifistic note... Let the parents rot for bringing two lives into the world for whom they did nothing but ruin.
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    Some of these posts make for disturbing reading...Wat these boys need is some SERIOUS help. Like, proper psychiatric help, possibly in a jail but preferably in a secure hospital. I mean christ, the OP himself wrote about how they come from a household where cannabis, porn etc etc were readily available at the age of TEN! No wonder they did this, I'd probably do the same and so would a lot of you, if you'd been brought up in such a ******-up household.

    I hope they get a sentence which is long enough to rehabilitate them and give them the help they clearly need before they are released to have a proper second chance at life, but more importantly I hope their parents, or whatever adults were living in the ****-hole they came from are taken to court and are either banned from having children again or forced to accept some serious parenting advice, because from where I'm sitting it's THEM who are really at fault here, not the boys.
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    They have just been sentenced to a minimum of 5 years each, although the actual length is indefinite apparently.
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    They'll be treated in the same way as the Jamie Bulger killers. They'll spend the rest of their childhood in an institution then they'll be given new identities and live in Australia at the tax payers expense and that of the Australian public. Our justice system is disgraceful.
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    (Original post by BasicMinds)
    is this what happens when you commit GBH? Wicked :woo:
    yep, it is true...you get better food than hospitals.
 
 
 
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