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'I'll die here', said tortured boy
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My anger is more directed towards the parents than the children. I think the parents are more responsible. Therefore their punishment should be greater... Life imprisonment, say. After all, they've effectively created two sadists.
I really want to say 'put the children in a mental hospital until they get better, they're children, they are not wholly responsible for their actions' - partially because I think it and partially because that way I won't have bucketloads of unfair remarks with regards to my character/political beliefs/morality being made. But the sad truth is that no one can be sure of the extent that psychological help would be effective. They could be given all the help and mental reprogramming in the world and still be let out one day, and repeat the behaviour - or something similar. Is it worth the risk? Is it worth giving the two children the benefit of the doubt and allowing them back onto the streets one day when they have already destroyed the lives of other entirely innocent children, and when the potential lives that they could take in such a future circumstance would almost definitely also be innocent?
I'm afraid I think it is not. I think the children, having been mentally distorted at such a young fundamental age, are a lost cause. Therefore were I making the decisions, as much as I want to say 'lock them away', I just don't see the point of doing that unless there's a significant chance of full recovery, and since I would not risk the safety of more people should they ever be let out, I have to conclude capital punishment (in the most painless way possible).
I realise that my opinion here is based on my understanding of the situation and were I more in the know, especially regarding the effectiveness of psychological treatment, my opinion would be subject to change.
It's certainly a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation for whoever IS making the decisions.
On a less pacifistic note... Let the parents rot for bringing two lives into the world for whom they did nothing but ruin.
I really want to say 'put the children in a mental hospital until they get better, they're children, they are not wholly responsible for their actions' - partially because I think it and partially because that way I won't have bucketloads of unfair remarks with regards to my character/political beliefs/morality being made. But the sad truth is that no one can be sure of the extent that psychological help would be effective. They could be given all the help and mental reprogramming in the world and still be let out one day, and repeat the behaviour - or something similar. Is it worth the risk? Is it worth giving the two children the benefit of the doubt and allowing them back onto the streets one day when they have already destroyed the lives of other entirely innocent children, and when the potential lives that they could take in such a future circumstance would almost definitely also be innocent?
I'm afraid I think it is not. I think the children, having been mentally distorted at such a young fundamental age, are a lost cause. Therefore were I making the decisions, as much as I want to say 'lock them away', I just don't see the point of doing that unless there's a significant chance of full recovery, and since I would not risk the safety of more people should they ever be let out, I have to conclude capital punishment (in the most painless way possible).
I realise that my opinion here is based on my understanding of the situation and were I more in the know, especially regarding the effectiveness of psychological treatment, my opinion would be subject to change.
It's certainly a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation for whoever IS making the decisions.
On a less pacifistic note... Let the parents rot for bringing two lives into the world for whom they did nothing but ruin.
Some of these posts make for disturbing reading...Wat these boys need is some SERIOUS help. Like, proper psychiatric help, possibly in a jail but preferably in a secure hospital. I mean christ, the OP himself wrote about how they come from a household where cannabis, porn etc etc were readily available at the age of TEN! No wonder they did this, I'd probably do the same and so would a lot of you, if you'd been brought up in such a ******-up household.
I hope they get a sentence which is long enough to rehabilitate them and give them the help they clearly need before they are released to have a proper second chance at life, but more importantly I hope their parents, or whatever adults were living in the ****-hole they came from are taken to court and are either banned from having children again or forced to accept some serious parenting advice, because from where I'm sitting it's THEM who are really at fault here, not the boys.
I hope they get a sentence which is long enough to rehabilitate them and give them the help they clearly need before they are released to have a proper second chance at life, but more importantly I hope their parents, or whatever adults were living in the ****-hole they came from are taken to court and are either banned from having children again or forced to accept some serious parenting advice, because from where I'm sitting it's THEM who are really at fault here, not the boys.
BasicMinds
is this what happens when you commit GBH? Wicked 
yep, it is true...you get better food than hospitals.
inspired14
We are agreeing on the same things here. That these children gave away their human rights when they knowingly carried out this terrible crime. Indeed, I totally agree that our prisons are often too lenient or 'easy-going' for criminals like these and maybe our prisons should start following in the footsteps like those of America. But what I am trying to say is you can not teach killing is wrong by killing! The day the government allows the death penalty is the day it teaches our world it is ok to kill.
So should taxpayers keep on paying for them, hardly justice?
******* demented children, i hope they die in jail.
They knew what they were doing seeing how they led the kids to an isolate woodland area to smash the **** out of them. And when they were asked about it they pretended not to know anything about it.
Is the older brother of the 2 victims dead? or is he really disabled now?
Also, why didn't child security people look out for the 2 crazy kids if their household was that bad : /
They knew what they were doing seeing how they led the kids to an isolate woodland area to smash the **** out of them. And when they were asked about it they pretended not to know anything about it.
Is the older brother of the 2 victims dead? or is he really disabled now?
Also, why didn't child security people look out for the 2 crazy kids if their household was that bad : /
If I had a kid and this happened to them I think vigilante justice may ensue as the punishments handed out by the courts are always well below what should be handed out. Its funny that we seem to live in a society where financial crimes against the rich are punished more harsly than physical abuse. These little ***** dont deserve to live, and they deserve to suffer a painful death.
It obvious that the parents of the boys failed badly in looking after them and bringing them up. I"m not one to say this normally, but in this case , its the parents fault that their kids ended up like this!.For cying out loud what where they thinking?.Apparently , according to Sky news, both of the boys had previous for violence and other offences!. I cannot believe that social services didnt intervene earlier to remove these kids from such a terrible environment.
I feel for the victims of the horrific attack, they will be the ones that end up with the life sentence sadly.I hope with time, and counselling, they will be able to move on and have a happy life.
I feel for the victims of the horrific attack, they will be the ones that end up with the life sentence sadly.I hope with time, and counselling, they will be able to move on and have a happy life.
The bbc website shows that the verdict was they they're to be detained indefinitely, for at least 5 years. I hope it's longer than 5 years because at 16/17 I think that they are likely to still be too young to cope with their situation. Plus, if their life outside has been that difficult then they could end up reoffending because they feel they're better off being in jail.
What upsets me is that the judge mentioned that the relationship of the two victims has been destroyed, which isn't surprising in the circumstances, but those two boys are the only people that will truly understand what they have been through and they can't face each other after having to perform sexual activities and the like on each other.
What upsets me is that the judge mentioned that the relationship of the two victims has been destroyed, which isn't surprising in the circumstances, but those two boys are the only people that will truly understand what they have been through and they can't face each other after having to perform sexual activities and the like on each other.
Vile. The only victims here are the kids who got attacked.
To me, the offence is unforgivable.
To me, the offence is unforgivable.
Alexio
I'm sorry, but this story has really infuriated me. Not simply because of the brutal nature of the attack, but because I know for a fact that, despite these kids being tried in an adult court, they are already not going to be facing 'attempted murder' charges, and I know that they'll probably get 're-habilitated', let out of jail early and they and their families will be given new identities and a new chance at life, whilst the victims and their families will likely never live a normal life again.
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I'm sorry, but this story has really infuriated me. Not simply because of the brutal nature of the attack, but because I know for a fact that, despite these kids being tried in an adult court, they are already not going to be facing 'attempted murder' charges, and I know that they'll probably get 're-habilitated', let out of jail early and they and their families will be given new identities and a new chance at life, whilst the victims and their families will likely never live a normal life again.
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Because their lives were clearly normal up until this point...
I'm not saying in any way that they shouldn't be punished for what happened, but I think it is right that they are given psychiatric assessments and put into secure care because they are 10 and 11. People aren't born that way, it just absolutely horrifies me how they must have been brought up to even think of these things to do to someone, let alone actually do it all.
I am against capital punishment but if it were legal would it even be applicable here?
As awful as the case is, it wouldn't be an eye for an eye. The lads didn't actually kill the other lads (despite their intentions). "Thoughts are no subjects; Intents but merely thoughts." (Shakespeare)
I am not advocating we commit the same crimes against the lads as they did against their victims. What would that show? And who would actually do the torturing?
The lads are extremely young and have had a terrible upbringing. While this can't excuse them, it has to be taken into account. What kind of a 10 year old could even think of doing something like this?
They need serious help and of course it should be agreed that they can never be allowed back into society until they are 100% well (if this ever is to happen).
As awful as the case is, it wouldn't be an eye for an eye. The lads didn't actually kill the other lads (despite their intentions). "Thoughts are no subjects; Intents but merely thoughts." (Shakespeare)
I am not advocating we commit the same crimes against the lads as they did against their victims. What would that show? And who would actually do the torturing?
The lads are extremely young and have had a terrible upbringing. While this can't excuse them, it has to be taken into account. What kind of a 10 year old could even think of doing something like this?
They need serious help and of course it should be agreed that they can never be allowed back into society until they are 100% well (if this ever is to happen).
Glasshouse_Life
I am against capital punishment but if it were legal would it even be applicable here?
As awful as the case is, it wouldn't be an eye for an eye. The lads didn't actually kill the other lads (despite their intentions). "Thoughts are no subjects; Intents but merely thoughts." (Shakespeare)
I am not advocating we commit the same crimes against the lads as they did against their victims. What would that show? And who would actually do the torturing?
The lads are extremely young and have had a terrible upbringing. While this can't excuse them, it has to be taken into account. What kind of a 10 year old could even think of doing something like this?
They need serious help and of course it should be agreed that they can never be allowed back into society until they are 100% well (if this ever is to happen).
As awful as the case is, it wouldn't be an eye for an eye. The lads didn't actually kill the other lads (despite their intentions). "Thoughts are no subjects; Intents but merely thoughts." (Shakespeare)
I am not advocating we commit the same crimes against the lads as they did against their victims. What would that show? And who would actually do the torturing?
The lads are extremely young and have had a terrible upbringing. While this can't excuse them, it has to be taken into account. What kind of a 10 year old could even think of doing something like this?
They need serious help and of course it should be agreed that they can never be allowed back into society until they are 100% well (if this ever is to happen).
They dont need help they need punishment and perminat removal from society (whether that be by life sentance or death sentance, preferably the later as its less expensive for the tax payer) to protect the majority of people who dont attack other people because they are bored.
What they did was basically evil and completley unjustified. They are never going to be contirbuitng to society. I bet when they are older they will be on the dole mooching off of the people who contribute to society while they produce scally offspring who will continue to mooch off of society.
We all know the law is going to be way to easy on them.
rudeandidleboy
They dont need help they need punishment and perminat removal from society (whether that be by life sentance or death sentance, preferably the later as its less expensive for the tax payer) to protect the majority of people who dont attack other people because they are bored.
What they did was basically evil and completley unjustified. They are never going to be contirbuitng to society. I bet when they are older they will be on the dole mooching off of the people who contribute to society while they produce scally offspring who will continue to mooch off of society.
We all know the law is going to be way to easy on them.
What they did was basically evil and completley unjustified. They are never going to be contirbuitng to society. I bet when they are older they will be on the dole mooching off of the people who contribute to society while they produce scally offspring who will continue to mooch off of society.
We all know the law is going to be way to easy on them.
Woooaaah. You want to kill children because is less expensive?
1) I'm reasonably sure (although have no source atm) that in the US executions cost the same/more than life sentences.
2) How can you consider that a morally justified thing to do? It's such a ridiculous idea: "These children have hurt other children, that's wrong!" "What should we do?" "Kill them!"
Execution would solve nothing, it would just more tragedy in this story. I know you'll probably respond with "How could you consider these monster's death a tragedy etc etc", but it would. They've already grown up in an enviroment which stimulates the kind of behaviour they displayed, and that's tragic too.
Four children have had their lives ruined, we should be trying to make it better not worse.
Also: Scally is not a derogatory term damn it.
BillV3
So what you're suggesting is:
It's not the first ever case of something like this happening nor likely the last but this time we'll make an exception to the law.
Violence is bad, and to teach them and show the public that violence is bad we'll murder two prepubescent children.Clever.
It's not the first ever case of something like this happening nor likely the last but this time we'll make an exception to the law.
Violence is bad, and to teach them and show the public that violence is bad we'll murder two prepubescent children.Clever.
What exception to the law?
If I had my way everyone who did something like this, ie, tortured a fellow human being, wold be given life in jail.
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