"British culture": destroyed by immigrants?

AO, still don't know why you care even if all you say is true, and a British identity is lost. You won't lose yours, your family won't lose theirs, etc. How the hell do you think that a whole nations identity will be lost, considering the percentage of white people in Britain, the concentration of minorities into smaller areas, and the amount of people who like the "British culture" and will pass it on to their own children? You are way to hyped up over mothing.

To me, it sounds as if your real quarrel is more with the way the government deals with immigration than with the immigrants themselves.

Like the sarcasm Johnny - a pity the racist bigots won't appreciate it.

To me, it sounds as if your real quarrel is more with the way the government deals with immigration than with the immigrants themselves. Aside from a very small number of (usually muslim) extremists, no immigrants come to this country and expect that they can override the existing culture. All they expect is the right to maintain their own culture once they arrive, and this does no harm to the British people.

It's the government, and to a certain extent the media, which are the biggest cause of culture based conflict. Because of the way the government is handling immigration, the public are encouraged to think about immigrants as something alien rather than just normal people - political correctness creates a massive rift between racial/cultural/relgious groups because each group fears that the others will take offence at anything they say, so people tend to stay in the same ethnic groups rather than integrating.

The Romans were interested in land conquest, but not racial subjugation. In most cases conquered people were offered citizenship, and their culture was adopted and spread throughout the Empire.

Although, at the same time there was a certain primacy of Roman culture, was there not? Its also worth pointing out that despite Japans..interesting...stance on multiculturalism, despite recent economic troubles they're still doing pretty damn well.

Actually it has everything to do with what you said. You said that there is one definable British "white" culture, and that there are local variations. I responded by stating that I see many contradiction in these so called 'local variations'

That was not an ad hom. In no way did he say that x's arguments are invalid because x is a racist bigot. It's just his opinion that some posters are racist bigots.

I know you like to bandy trite phrases around, but at least try to use them correctly, although you are of course used to crass accusations.

The case of Rome is very complex. There was always a primacy of one Roman Culture, true. But that culture was always changing and adapting, and most of that culture was derived from several prexisting cultures. In addition, many cultures were constantly mixing and changing around the Roman Empire, especially new ideas and civilizations from the east.

Also Japans success at the present has nothing to do with racialism in the least bit. The Japanese government and society as a whole has perpetuated the values of thrift, hard work and loyalty to the system. Korean minorities, many of whose ancestors arrived in Japan many decades ago, and the Ainu, who are the natives of Japan that have been drivne north and suppressed, cannot be said to have shared in Japan's prosperity to the same extent as the Japanese majority.

I would like to make a point, especially to AO. I have nothing against Nationalism, in fact I am completely for it. I also completely agree with you that there is a problem with many immigrants and an immigration policy that allows people to arrive here, segregate themselves fomr our society, all while they reap the benefits of this nation. I believe that Britons, regardless of ancestry, should all seek to preserve and perpetuate Britains long and glorious history, identity and her cultures. I dislike PC, and am really very conservative.

What I have a problem with, however, are concocted racial arguements that are not only demeaning to people who are victims of their inevitable results, but also dangerous as history has proven time and time again.

When it comes to newcomers, I also believe that they must be offered a culture in order to accept it. Only if our immigration policy emphasises assimilation and integration can Britain be spared from the strife that has plagued many societies around the world where seperate communities fail to interact and integrate.

Well thats my point. As AO said earlier on (quite rightly), "every people around today developed from a mixing and an assimilation of countless other peoples". So given that there has always been a mixing of cultures and races, why should we seek to stop this now?

The resort to ad hominem and smear in this thread is about the worst I've ever seen on TSR.

A bigot is someone intolerant of opinions opposed to his own. I've said again and again that I think you guys who would choose multicult as ideal be allowed to, but you really ought to allow those who believe it to be folly the right to retain the traditional British community and identity. Jeesh!

Haha. We should be allowed to believe in whatever ideoloogy we choose. You should be allowed to let your ideology and those who share it with you, have the say in what shape malleabe old Britain becomes next? It is our way now, and it always will be because, what a darn shame, your view only holds with a minority. And lets not take the people on this forum to be a population!

It is really easy for you to say, "i accept your opinionbut" and then carry on with your rubbish, swatting aside any other opinion. It doesn't make you any less open-minded to merely state that you are before you spout your nationalism. And how funny that noone believes you are open minded at all.

I personally think it is because the 'white' race is a minority on the earth as a whole now, - the dilution of the 'white' race will only move us to a more darker race - possibily eventually an entire black race? Why should 'white' cultures become multicultural? Why not black countries if they're willing to accept multiculturalism? Does this make me racist? I know im not, I like British diversity as it is - literally, as, it, is - any further I think is threatening - again, am i racist Johnny? If you think I am, then I think you are the reason why the word 'racist' is losing calibre.

In various arguments with the BNP, the issue of the erosion of British culture as a result of immigration seems to rear its ugly head, time and again.

However, when I put forward the idea that this is a 'buzz-phrase' used rather cynically (and incorrectly I might add) only to rouse emotional sympathies for the BNP among the general public, this is flatly denied. The culture of Britain really is under threat it seems, at least as far as the BNP is concerned.

Thus we can conclude that the issue of "British culture" is important to some, if not all, members of the BNP. However when asked to define this remarkably nebulous concept, I am met only with the response that it is too difficult to define. But surely every political adherent must be able to defend their claims, even reactionary mercantilists like the BNP-ers?

So quite simply I am looking for a definition of what constitutes "British culture", how it is under threat and subsequent proof of this erosion of "British culture", from the BNP supporters on this forum - flux, birchygreen et al.

And please dont bother with comments like this:

(http://thestudentroom.co.uk/showpost.php?p=4374816&postcount=133)

... as these clearly hold no water.

If no response is forthcoming from the BNP fans, then I will assume that you are using "the erosion of British culture" as an emotive buzz phrase to rouse peoples sympathies to your reactionary cause, which would be just another mistake by the BNP

Are you saying that Flux's failure to define British culture means that there is in fact no such thing and the term is nothing more than a "buzz phrase"? Or do you personally think that there is such a thing as British culture?

Now, if you think such a thing is a phantom idea can you put some meat on the bones of your argument and show us all how you arrive at this conclusion? Conversely, if you do agree with Flux that there is indeed such a thing as British culture would you like to share your definition of it with everybody?

This was in my original post:

I have never claimed that there is "no such thing as British culture"; far from it in fact. I believe that British culture is about rights of the individual and freedom that comes with our civil liberties. Thus denying civil liberties to others is fundamentally against British culture. You are in point of fact the one who is out to destroy british culture and all it stands for from where I'm sitting.