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    (Original post by sixthformer18)
    Like most in here.

    In terms of finance, lower middle class. In terms of attitude or outlook in life middle class.

    But that will probably change when I move to New Zealand (which is in the foreseeable future). I think this country would help me realise one of my aims, and that is to disassociate myself with any class :p:
    Even there you would be classified, but most likely on the basis of whether you had money and how much. Class exists everywhere. It's definition though varies according to the local standard, whether that is breeding or money or employment etc.
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    (Original post by BellaCat)
    No, I can't say I've had that pleasure. Was it the Laird of the land?
    Lairds aren't real aristocracy... plus you don't see many up here, not their main breeding grounds.

    That is a result of the scorn poured upon certain members of society for the class into which they were born - a little irrational because, as far as I am aware an individual has no control over the circumstances into which they were born. Unless you know something I don't. Perhaps there was some kind of pre-birth gladiatorial contest, the outcome of which was to determine our status in life.
    The death of the working class, you mean? I disagree, I think it has to do with changing economic circumstances which have also forced a cultural shift along with them - Britain has only ever been able to sustain very few social classes and when society realigned itself people had to decide which camp they were going to fall into.

    I'm not worrying. At the moment I am in a position in employment and uni which makes it easy to dismiss the simplistic views of others. What other people think of me is none of my concern.

    Besides I spent my teenage years in Youth theatre so, with me, what you see isn't necessarily what you'll get.
    I don't believe it is simplistic. Society has always had class divisions. And you made it sound as if you were the one supposed to be doing the categorising - you're not, social class is determined by what others think of you, not what you think of yourself.

    C'est la vie.

    (Original post by Thud)
    I think there is a slightly worrying ratio of middle:working class people on here (now I see why I get all the "die commie" rep :p: ). But seriously, I wonder why that is. Perhaps that working class people are dropping out of school earlier and so generally don't go on a site like this which is [obviously] full of "geeks"?
    I don't see why that is particularly "worrying". I am certainly not worried by middle class people.

    I doubt it's even representative of the sort of people who go on to higher education either.
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    (Original post by LibertineNorth)
    I don't see why that is particularly "worrying". I am certainly not worried by middle class people.

    I doubt it's even representative of the sort of people who go on to higher education either.
    I didn't say that middle class people are worrying (which arguably....), but the ratio of middle to working class people on here is worrying. It means that everything is slanted towards the middle classes. I think on most of the forums here, this makes little difference, but over on d&d it's a lot more influencial.
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    (Original post by Thud)
    I didn't say that middle class people are worrying (which arguably....), but the ratio of middle to working class people on here is worrying. It means that everything is slanted towards the middle classes. I think on most of the forums here, this makes little difference, but over on d&d it's a lot more influencial.

    have totally noticed that
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    (Original post by Thud)
    I didn't say that middle class people are worrying (which arguably....), but the ratio of middle to working class people on here is worrying. It means that everything is slanted towards the middle classes. I think on most of the forums here, this makes little difference, but over on d&d it's a lot more influencial.
    How is it influential "over on D&D"? All i've noticed on TSR is that theres a seemingly disproportionate amount of Bible-bashing, evangelical imbeciles on here, the left wingers on here are ignorant, and the conservatives are just plain stupid.
    How exactly does money come into all this?

    Why are socialists always moaning about other people having money anyway, what harm does the average middle class family inflict on you?

    Middle class people in Britain are the workers, the people who drive our economy, employ people in industries that would simply not exist in a socialist society, and they pay their taxes- significantly more than working class people do.
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    Higher middle class/upper class, I dunno which. I live down the same private road as Chris Tarrant!
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    Upper-Lower Middle class.
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    I had always been told that you could only be upper class if you had a title, and that it didn't matter how rich you were you could never be higher than middle class. (This may be one of my strange ideas that I get from somewhere and that anyone who I think may have told me it denies it.:p: )

    But what are classes based on anyway: money, out-look on life, what job you have, what kind of things you do? :confused: There are general trends among people, but I don't think people can be segregated into classes simply based on certain criteria.
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    (Original post by Beekeeper)
    How is it influential "over on D&D"? All i've noticed on TSR is that theres a seemingly disproportionate amount of Bible-bashing, evangelical imbeciles on here, the left wingers on here are ignorant, and the conservatives are just plain stupid.
    How exactly does money come into all this?

    Why are socialists always moaning about other people having money anyway, what harm does the average middle class family inflict on you?

    Middle class people in Britain are the workers, the people who drive our economy, employ people in industries that would simply not exist in a socialist society, and they pay their taxes- significantly more than working class people do.
    You're suggesting that 'working class' people are more lkely to evade taxes? Do you have any proof of this?
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    (Original post by seashellstar)
    I had always been told that you could only be upper class if you had a title, and that it didn't matter how rich you were you could never be higher than middle class. (This may be one of my strange ideas that I get from somewhere and that anyone who I think may have told me it denies it.:p: )

    But what are classes based on anyway: money, out-look on life, what job you have, what kind of things you do? :confused: There are general trends among people, but I don't think people can be segregated into classes simply based on certain criteria.
    Which is exactly the reason why I'm confused as to why 13 people have put upper class.

    It doesn't matter if your parents own their own jet and buy you diamonds to throw at the poor, without a title it's just no cigar.

    I'm not buying into all this upper middle crap either - just because you want people to think you have more money, just appears crass IMO, and shows how insecure you are.
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    (Original post by Beekeeper)
    How is it influential "over on D&D"? All i've noticed on TSR is that theres a seemingly disproportionate amount of Bible-bashing, evangelical imbeciles on here, the left wingers on here are ignorant, and the conservatives are just plain stupid.
    How exactly does money come into all this?
    Of course it's influencial in D&D, I'm sure you've seen the kinds of threads and comments posted. Stuff about killing the poor or "freeing" the market - a lot of the posts are heavily geared to wayrds tories.

    I agree with you on the bible-bashers. But what the hell with left-wingers? I woudn't consider myself "ignorant" care to expand?

    (Original post by Beekeeper)
    Why are socialists always moaning about other people having money anyway, what harm does the average middle class family inflict on you?

    Middle class people in Britain are the workers, the people who drive our economy, employ people in industries that would simply not exist in a socialist society, and they pay their taxes- significantly more than working class people do.
    none directly, of course. But as a group together they help the capitalist machine, that's bad enough in itself. The middle classes are relatively content, they would probably never join in revolution because they aren't skrewed over enough by the government.


    er....working class people don't tend to pay their taxes? ^o)
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    (Original post by dogtanian)
    Middle. I'm at university, duh.
    They are plenty of workikng class people at university though. When I was at university I reckon about a quarter were very working class in terms of outlook and attitude, although pretty much of their parents had some sort of job.

    There was no chavs but there is a huge difference between class and chavs. You can get chavs in any class, take Paris Hilton, upper class but one of the biggest chavs on the planet.
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    id say im middle class..coming from a working class/lower middle class background.

    maybe 15years ago my family could have been said to be lower middle class..but i think our income and outlook on life has changed a lot.

    its a very hard thing to clasify, but i always think that working class people are more concerned with what wages they are earning (ie very short term goals, such as swapping jobs for a £ an hour pay increase etc) and are more interested in having a "good time" in the short term, at the expense of having a better career and prospects (such as many would rather start earning at 16, even though they are capable of earning more in the long run by doing high education)

    id say its my family's outlook (as well as income) that makes us middle class..ive always been taught to be hard working and to be educated (such as reading varied media, watching discussion programs such as question time)

    we also have strong conservative, capitalist ideals, such as my family are often outspoken about the benefits system, and criticise those that claim benefit, or those that dont work hard. Which i feel is a more middle class than a working class mindset.
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    Yep that is the difference between me and my mate, me is earning more than me at the moment, but my earnings are increasing a lot faster, so will overtake one day (if my business grows at the current rate of 20% a month).

    He is saving for a car, I am saving for a little flat, I don't ever intend renting a flat, I want to buy one, obviously I will need a mortage but you still need a lot of savings for the deposit.
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    (Original post by Thud)
    none directly, of course. But as a group together they help the capitalist machine, that's bad enough in itself. The middle classes are relatively content, they would probably never join in revolution because they aren't skrewed over enough by the government.


    er....working class people don't tend to pay their taxes? ^o)
    It is the middle classes that pay for government handouts that go to the working class! (some of them). If anyone gets skrwed by the government its the middle classes, we pay the highest taxes, without being rich enough that it does not matter. Middle classes i suspect are the ones that add the most to the country, our contribution is disproportionate to our population. if everyone was middle class this country would be better.

    There will allways be working class people though, and i don't dislike them in any way. Because i don't judge people like that, i judge them on their personality.

    Its just the things you say Thud... you seem a bit of an idealist to me. This isn't 1900, its 2006. We have a representative democracy, the "working class" aren't repressed. They get the most help of any class (tax credits anyone?!).
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    The middle class need to subside the lower classes though, otherwise who is going to drive our buses and work in the shops? Lower incomed people all provide valuable services to society and without them we would be stuck.
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    (Original post by Zakatu)
    It is the middle classes that pay for government handouts that go to the working class! (some of them). If anyone gets skrwed by the government its the middle classes, we pay the highest taxes, without being rich enough that it does not matter. Middle classes i suspect are the ones that add the most to the country, our contribution is disproportionate to our population. if everyone was middle class this country would be better.

    There will allways be working class people though, and i don't dislike them in any way. Because i don't judge people like that, i judge them on their personality.

    Its just the things you say Thud... you seem a bit of an idealist to me. This isn't 1900, its 2006. We have a representative democracy, the "working class" aren't repressed. They get the most help of any class (tax credits anyone?!).
    to be fair: as much as im against ALL forms of benefit, tax credits are the best of a bad bunch (if the government was actually competent in calculating them of course:rolleyes: )

    as they actually make families work for there money, and i do feel that families who work (but earn low incomes for whatever reason) should get some 'benefit' as its an incentive for them to work.

    I feel more supportive to that kind of benefit rather than the other "sit at home and produce children" benefits..where you earn money for NOT working, having children that you cant really afford (but its ok because the state will clothe, feed, school it, give it medicine, pay its uni tutition fees, and give it trips abroad or other rewards if it commits crime)

    I have no issue with people TRYING to better themselves, and feel they should be rewarded for doing so. Some people (particulalry the older generations, less so today) didnt have access to higher education, so are stuck in low end jobs..when they are far capable of doing more, just never had the opportunity. Like my own mum HAD to work at age 16..regardless of her good grades, as her family couldent afford to send her to college/university. Shes only recently done the masters degree she has always been capable of, thats just one example of someone who was stuck in a job below their ability for many years (though not the case for the last 20years or so, but that was acheived through hard work, not qualifications)

    So i feel tax credits are a good idea, as it encourages parents to work.
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    i'd say im solid middle class~ collective household income of about £60,000 per year, vote tory, read the daily mirror :rolleyes: live in a 4 bed detached house which my mum owns.
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    Reading through this thread I would say upper class. However, we live quite a sedate relaxed life which I would classify as middle class.
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    (Original post by Rooftopcowboy)
    to be fair: as much as im against ALL forms of benefit, tax credits are the best of a bad bunch (if the government was actually competent in calculating them of course:rolleyes: )

    as they actually make families work for there money, and i do feel that families who work (but earn low incomes for whatever reason) should get some 'benefit' as its an incentive for them to work.

    I feel more supportive to that kind of benefit rather than the other "sit at home and produce children" benefits..where you earn money for NOT working, having children that you cant really afford (but its ok because the state will clothe, feed, school it, give it medicine, pay its uni tutition fees, and give it trips abroad or other rewards if it commits crime)

    I have no issue with people TRYING to better themselves, and feel they should be rewarded for doing so. Some people (particulalry the older generations, less so today) didnt have access to higher education, so are stuck in low end jobs..when they are far capable of doing more, just never had the opportunity. Like my own mum HAD to work at age 16..regardless of her good grades, as her family couldent afford to send her to college/university. Shes only recently done the masters degree she has always been capable of, thats just one example of someone who was stuck in a job below their ability for many years (though not the case for the last 20years or so, but that was acheived through hard work, not qualifications)

    So i feel tax credits are a good idea, as it encourages parents to work.
    yeah! they shouldn't be allowed to have children! They should simply chain themselves tothe bourgeois' machines and work work work. **** minimum wage, **** benefits, **** health and safety!

    Your mum HAD to work at 16? oh boo hoo, my dad left school at 13 to work and was kicked out the house at 15. :rolleyes:

    "give it trips abroad or other rewards if it commits crime" what the hell? You get trips abroad for committing crime? Are you sure you haven't been reading too much of the daily mail?
 
 
 
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