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So students unions up and down the country are enforcing censorship with the union at the university of manchester becoming the most recent to enforce a ban of the sale of the newspaper, The Sun. Now even though The Sun isn't really a real newspaper (come on now we all know it is nothing more than a picture book) and i dont read it, I find it horrific that our own unions are turning to ideologies and strategies that belong in the 1930s and 1940s. Futhermore, all this authoritarian actions in being taken in the name of "feminism" an ideology that is not only sexist, but also hypercritical as it claims to fight for equality by oppressing, bullying and belitting men, and imposing authoritarian and draconian laws, such as the banning of literature and hopes to set buisnesses sexist laws on the minimal amount of women they can have on Exec boards etc. (Because gender really matters in a persons capacity to make good decisions and business strategies) How can feminists argue that they are freedom and equality loving people, when they ban literature and bully women who dont have insecurities about their bodies, and decide to take up a career in things like modeling, with groups such as "no more page 3". The hypocrisy is oustanding.

Student unions need to wake up and realise that taking authoritarian actions to "protect women" is not only wrong, but also a form of bullying and sexism by making women look like the weaker half of the human race, something they are certainly not. Unions should know better.

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The only people that care or do anything student union related are these kind of people so nothing will happen in response to it.
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Nothing protests freedom better than authoritarianism.


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Luckily a survey carried out by the student newspaper has pointed out that 59% of manchester students are against the ban. Thank god im not surrounded by complete fools then.

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It looks as if the 'ban' consists in their deciding not to sell it in their own on-campus shops. There's no suggestion that you cannot bring the Sun onto campus.

And it'd be the more 'authoritarian' to tell them what they could and couldn't sell in their own shop, surely?


Since the Union Shop last year sold 722 copies of the Sun, or just under two a day, it hardly looks as if many students will be much put out by it.


Something or nothing, then. My info from here: http://mancunion.com/2013/10/04/stud...ycott-the-sun/
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The only people that care or do anything student union related are these kind of people so nothing will happen in response to it.
Well a load of people are kicking off about it, so i hope they will reverse it! How can 20 people who arent even elected make a decision for 39 000 students?

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(Original post by cambio wechsel)
It looks as if the 'ban' consists in their deciding not to sell it in their own on-campus shops. There's no suggestion that you cannot bring the Sun onto campus.

And it'd be the more 'authoritarian' to tell them what they could and couldn't sell in their own shop, surely?


Since the Union Shop last year sold 722 copies of the Sun, or just under two a day, it hardly looks as if many students will be much put out by it.


Something or nothing, then. My info from here: http://mancunion.com/2013/10/04/stud...ycott-the-sun/
Its the thought behind it, the fact that they brought censorship into the union, thats whats scary. Nobody is forcing them to sell it, if they stopped because it wasnt selling many copies thats okay, but that isnt the reason.

I dont read the paper, but you cant just go around banning newspapers.

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Its the thought behind it, the fact that they brought censorship into the union, thats whats scary. Nobody is forcing them to sell it, if they stopped because it wasnt sellung many copies thats okay, but that isnt the reason.

I dont read the paper, but you cant just go around banning newspapers.

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So whats the answer if not forcing them to sell it against their wishes?
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So whats the answer if not forcing them to sell it against their wishes?
Banning is not okay, that is called censorship and is not welcome in Britain, and certainly not in SU's. However, if they stopped selling them because it wasnt making a profit etc thats an entirely different reason. As i said nobodys forcing them, the union however has made the first authoritarisn move, nobody else. They are in the wrong.

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They're banning the sale of it on campus, that doesn't mean you can't get your lazy ass to the shop and buy it there.
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They're banning the sale of it on campus, that doesn't mean you can't get your lazy ass to the shop and buy it there.
That is not a valid argument for introducing censorship, of course everyone realises that there is other shops. My argument is against the reasoning for banning it.

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Banning is not okay, that is called censorship and is not welcome in Britain, and certainly not in SU's. However, if they stopped selling them because it wasnt making a profit etc thats an entirely different reason. As i said nobodys forcing them, the union however has made the first authoritarisn move, nobody else. They are in the wrong.
So 2 authoritarian moves make a libertarian?
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News just in: Student Unions full of headcases.

Twas ever thus. Every Union is full of idiots who are having their one and only - thank god - taste of politics and ballsing it right up. They never represent the students as only a tiny tiny portion of students ever vote.
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So 2 authoritarian moves make a libertarian?
Ehh?

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What motivation do they have to 'ban' the Sun?
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(Original post by the mezzil)
So students unions up and down the country are enforcing censorship with the union at the university of manchester becoming the most recent to enforce a ban of the sale of the newspaper, The Sun. Now even though The Sun isn't really a real newspaper (come on now we all know it is nothing more than a picture book) and i dont read it, I find it horrific that our own unions are turning to ideologies and strategies that belong in the 1930s and 1940s. Futhermore, all this authoritarian actions in being taken in the name of "feminism" an ideology that is not only sexist, but also hypercritical as it claims to fight for equality by oppressing, bullying and belitting men, and imposing authoritarian and draconian laws, such as the banning of literature and hopes to set buisnesses sexist laws on the minimal amount of women they can have on Exec boards etc. (Because gender really matters in a persons capacity to make good decisions and business strategies) How can feminists argue that they are freedom and equality loving people, when they ban literature and bully women who dont have insecurities about their bodies, and decide to take up a career in things like modeling, with groups such as "no more page 3". The hypocrisy is oustanding.

Student unions need to wake up and realise that taking authoritarian actions to "protect women" is not only wrong, but also a form of bullying and sexism by making women look like the weaker half of the human race, something they are certainly not. Unions should know better.

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While I agree with you about the Sun, your comments about feminism are grossly out of proportion and incorrect. Laws about the number of women on executive boards and so forth are needed because sexism against women is not gone from this country, and power is still overwhelmingly in the hands of men. Not all feminists are as you describe them- in fact, only a very small and vocal minority are (which is the case in a lot of things, from religion to socialism).

EDIT: The number of negs is... disappointing. Are there really that many anti-feminists here?
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(Original post by cambio wechsel)
It looks as if the 'ban' consists in their deciding not to sell it in their own on-campus shops. There's no suggestion that you cannot bring the Sun onto campus.
And it'd be the more 'authoritarian' to tell them what they could and couldn't sell in their own shop, surely?
Since the Union Shop last year sold 722 copies of the Sun, or just under two a day, it hardly looks as if many students will be much put out by it.
Something or nothing, then. My info from here: http://mancunion.com/2013/10/04/stud...ycott-the-sun/
Damn you for quoting facts to quash a political rant! Plus, it's a university, and the Sun is written to be understood by people with a reading age of 7-8.
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Isn't this quite normal for SUs? They ban all kinds of things in the interest of being 'inclusive' and 'open to everyone'. It's one of the main reasons why student politics is so embarrassing. God knows what they'd do if they actually had to make important decisions.
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The democratically elected SU executive officers have the right to decide what they do and do not sell in the SU shop under their remit, just as an private enterprise has such a right. As pointed out above there is no suggestion of a ban on having The Sun on SU premises and so this can't be seen as censorship.

However, I would have expected such an action to have been mandated by either:

a) A particular officer campaigning with a manifesto pledge to do this, or:
b) Some form of consultation of the student body (e.g. a referendum or similar).

There are lots and lots of newsagents in Manchester so it really isn't a big deal.
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However, I would have expected such an action to have been mandated by either:
a) A particular officer campaigning with a manifesto pledge to do this, or:
b) Some form of consultation of the student body (e.g. a referendum or similar).
Or the fact that they were only selling 1-2 copies every day, and the shelf space should be used for something they could cover their costs on
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