He was killed whilst trying to cross the border to the UK
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Original post by Syrian Guy
They should have the right to go wherever they want and and then the governement must force them to work or deport them back to where they come from! What's wrong with that?
You're going to pay for that guy's deportation.
Original post by CEKTOP
His death is entirely his own fault, I'm not sorry for him or any other illegal immigrant.
So if you were trapped in a country where you face danger or a threat and you had no choice but to be 'an illegal immigrant' and then you died while trying, the question is 'will others feel no sorry for you?' You are so selfish -no offence!
Original post by Kiss
They shouldn't have been trying to illegally enter the UK. Immigration and customs exists for a reason - to stop people like him who didn't wait to fill out any formal application for entry.
Just because a country exists doesn't mean you have a right to live there. I don't see Iran offering freebies for any UK illegal immigrants, therefore I don't see why we should do likewise.
Just because a country exists doesn't mean you have a right to live there. I don't see Iran offering freebies for any UK illegal immigrants, therefore I don't see why we should do likewise.
You see any UK illegal immigrants tryina get into Iran?
Original post by Syrian Guy
So if you were trapped in a country where you face danger or a threat and you had no choice but to be 'an illegal immigrant' and then you died while trying, the question is 'will others feel no sorry for you?' You are so selfish -no offence!
Try going there and actually claiming asylum? If you're going to sneak around, people will suspect the worst. They could have stopped in france, and france has an extra duty of care to under 18's, so since he was 17 he could have stayed there.
Original post by Kiss
They shouldn't have been trying to illegally enter the UK. Immigration and customs exists for a reason - to stop people like him who didn't wait to fill out any formal application for entry.
Just because a country exists doesn't mean you have a right to live there. I don't see Iran offering freebies for any UK illegal immigrants, therefore I don't see why we should do likewise.
Just because a country exists doesn't mean you have a right to live there. I don't see Iran offering freebies for any UK illegal immigrants, therefore I don't see why we should do likewise.
Really hope you don't vote this time around BNP activist.
In addition, why would someone from UK go to Iran illegally? There's nothing there that they can't get here.
But people are dying, transgressing just so they don't hear a bullet every 4 minutes.
Honestly don't understand the people of this generation tbf.
Original post by smudge_moon
Try going there and actually claiming asylum? If you're going to sneak around, people will suspect the worst. They could have stopped in france, and france has an extra duty of care to under 18's, so since he was 17 he could have stayed there.
No disrespect but the French is as bad as the Brits. They once caught me and send me back to Bardonecchia in Italy and there is no need to tell you how really bad the situation is in Italy.
So, let me get this extremely biased story about a syrian refugee straight, mr 'Syrian Guy'.
A 17 year old and 2 others were trying to escape Syria, in which there is a war.
They pass through Turkey, Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia, Croatia, Austria, Italy, Germany and France.
All of these places are somehow 'not safe havens' for them, they can only go to the UK.
Passing up all these places, you still insist they were just trying to 'find refuge' in the UK?
Face it. They were being picky and breaking the law, trying to illegally enter the most economically viable country.
A 17 year old and 2 others were trying to escape Syria, in which there is a war.
They pass through Turkey, Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia, Croatia, Austria, Italy, Germany and France.
All of these places are somehow 'not safe havens' for them, they can only go to the UK.
Passing up all these places, you still insist they were just trying to 'find refuge' in the UK?
Face it. They were being picky and breaking the law, trying to illegally enter the most economically viable country.
Original post by Syrian Guy
No disrespect but the French is as bad as the Brits. They once caught me and send me back to Bardonecchia in Italy and there is no need to tell you how really bad the situation is in Italy.
Well still, he could have come across and legitimately claimed asylum. He must have had intent to stay illegally. The United States and Australia have much stricter rules and we should start enforcing rules like this too.
Original post by Syrian Guy
http://calaismigrantsolidarity.wordpress.com/2014/02/03/minor-killed-by-a-truck/
On the night of 30th January 2014 a 17 year old boy from Iran was killed by being driven over by a truck whilst trying to cross the border into the UK.
During this night, three people were trying cross the border to the UK by hiding inside a lorry. As they entered the truck they realized that the truck driver clearly saw them entering. So they were quite surprised when the driver did not say anything and shortly after drove off.
After around a 15 minute drive the truck stopped at a small parking space. The driver went to the back of the truck to shout to the people inside to come out. Because they were hiding behind boxes they had to climb over them to get out, but they could not get out quick enough.
The truck started driving while they were still trying to get out. Finally they made it to the back to jump out of the truck. In the meantime the truck was already back on the highway! Two of them were lucky and landed on their feet and could leave the highway. The third person was not that lucky. He landed on his head and could not move. Even if the other two tried to stop the traffic on the street, they could not help him. A second truck which passed hit the young boy and it tore him to pieces.
We are deeply shocked about another very tragic and brutal death here in Calais. The two people with him that night are of course very distraught. They witnessed him dying. Trying to cross to England is not an option for them any more. They left their home to find peace and protection. And they do not want to be the next one killed instead by the European border regime!
This is now the fourth death at the Calais border in the past 6 months; and at least the twenty second reported death in the past four years.
There is no justification for the countless suffering inflicted on people by the border regimes. People without the ‘right’ identity in this world have to risk their lives day in and day out while the privileged class pass by in luxury.
The greed of the capitalist trade assigns more value to the goods – taken from every corner of the world – in the 7,000 trucks that cross daily into Britain than the people having to hide amongst them.
These regimes are a brutal combination of age old racism tied up with the mantra of ‘national interest’ where people profiting from the system are quite happy to reap all the benefits of the global militarized onslaught to ‘free up’ capital and trade but are not willing to share any of the benefits or bear any of the consequences.
ID controls and the enforcement of identity papers, check points and prisons used to control the identity of populations has, and always will, result in persecution. Time and time again ID controls by authorities scanning populations in order to pick out certain categories of people is a telling sign that systematic abuse against those people is happening.
And the silence remains deafening. One death is too many. It will stop only when people rise up to make it stop. Regimes do not give up their control voluntarily.
On the night of 30th January 2014 a 17 year old boy from Iran was killed by being driven over by a truck whilst trying to cross the border into the UK.
During this night, three people were trying cross the border to the UK by hiding inside a lorry. As they entered the truck they realized that the truck driver clearly saw them entering. So they were quite surprised when the driver did not say anything and shortly after drove off.
After around a 15 minute drive the truck stopped at a small parking space. The driver went to the back of the truck to shout to the people inside to come out. Because they were hiding behind boxes they had to climb over them to get out, but they could not get out quick enough.
The truck started driving while they were still trying to get out. Finally they made it to the back to jump out of the truck. In the meantime the truck was already back on the highway! Two of them were lucky and landed on their feet and could leave the highway. The third person was not that lucky. He landed on his head and could not move. Even if the other two tried to stop the traffic on the street, they could not help him. A second truck which passed hit the young boy and it tore him to pieces.
We are deeply shocked about another very tragic and brutal death here in Calais. The two people with him that night are of course very distraught. They witnessed him dying. Trying to cross to England is not an option for them any more. They left their home to find peace and protection. And they do not want to be the next one killed instead by the European border regime!
This is now the fourth death at the Calais border in the past 6 months; and at least the twenty second reported death in the past four years.
There is no justification for the countless suffering inflicted on people by the border regimes. People without the ‘right’ identity in this world have to risk their lives day in and day out while the privileged class pass by in luxury.
The greed of the capitalist trade assigns more value to the goods – taken from every corner of the world – in the 7,000 trucks that cross daily into Britain than the people having to hide amongst them.
These regimes are a brutal combination of age old racism tied up with the mantra of ‘national interest’ where people profiting from the system are quite happy to reap all the benefits of the global militarized onslaught to ‘free up’ capital and trade but are not willing to share any of the benefits or bear any of the consequences.
ID controls and the enforcement of identity papers, check points and prisons used to control the identity of populations has, and always will, result in persecution. Time and time again ID controls by authorities scanning populations in order to pick out certain categories of people is a telling sign that systematic abuse against those people is happening.
And the silence remains deafening. One death is too many. It will stop only when people rise up to make it stop. Regimes do not give up their control voluntarily.
Capitalism's fault? Capitalism endorses the movement of labour across nations mate, Socialism and Communism are the ideologies that prevent it, so you cant be blaming it on that.
Original post by Syrian Guy
Oh my god!! No human being is illegal and all people around the globe have the right to shelter, the right to a dignified existence..I mean what do they they have to do? those people do want to lead a normal life and participate in society through work and study, yet when they fill out applications to enter the country 'legally' they got refused just because they come from countries living under dictatorship.
France is just as developed as the UK. I'd have more sympathy had they not passed through countries where they could seek asylum and have a dignified life.
Original post by iamintorture
Sad that borders even exist in this world. No man should be able to claim a land for his own.
Idealistic claptrap.
Original post by BenAssirati
So, let me get this extremely biased story about a syrian refugee straight, mr 'Syrian Guy'.
A 17 year old and 2 others were trying to escape Syria, in which there is a war.
They pass through Turkey, Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia, Croatia, Austria, Italy, Germany and France.
All of these places are somehow 'not safe havens' for them, they can only go to the UK.
Passing up all these places, you still insist they were just trying to 'find refuge' in the UK?
Face it. They were being picky and breaking the law, trying to illegally enter the most economically viable country.
A 17 year old and 2 others were trying to escape Syria, in which there is a war.
They pass through Turkey, Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia, Croatia, Austria, Italy, Germany and France.
All of these places are somehow 'not safe havens' for them, they can only go to the UK.
Passing up all these places, you still insist they were just trying to 'find refuge' in the UK?
Face it. They were being picky and breaking the law, trying to illegally enter the most economically viable country.
No dear, they were not picky, look at me for example, Turkey put me in jail just because i was trying to go illegally to Greece, The Greek put me also in jail and treated me as I am criminal..The Italians also put me in jail and gave me deportation paper, the french send me back to Italy..I had no place to go to.. this is why the whole ****ing europe is bull**** so please dont tell me those human beings, who are just like you, are picky..they all have the right to exist anywhere.
(edited 10 years ago)
At the end of the day, people do not flee without a reason! I rest my case.
Original post by Syrian Guy
No dear, they were not picky, look at me for example, Turkey put me in jail just because i was trying to go illegally to Greece, The Greek put me also in jail and treated me as I am criminal..The m**herf**kers Italians also put me in jail and gave me deportation paper, the french send me back to Italy..I had no place to go to.. this is why the whole f**king europe is bull**** so please dont tell me those human beings, who are just like you, are picky..they all have the right to exist anywhere.
I'm sorry but the law is the law, if you honestly tried to go through the official channels to get asylum then I'm sure you would have found somewhere that would take you... it's like arguing about why we should even have passports.
also this is a student forum, not a place for trying to gain sympathy about your illegal immigration stories. I'm sorry about the boy who died but as many have said before me - they didn't need to attempt to go to the UK
Original post by Syrian Guy
No dear, they were not picky, look at me for example, Turkey put me in jail just because i was trying to go illegally to Greece, The Greek put me also in jail and treated me as I am criminal..The m**herf**kers Italians also put me in jail and gave me deportation paper, the french send me back to Italy..I had no place to go to.. this is why the whole f**king europe is bull**** so please dont tell me those human beings, who are just like you, are picky..they all have the right to exist anywhere.
Ok, firstly, why should I believe you? This sounds like a made up argument where you try and say 'look, it happened to me, it is real!'. Secondly, the UK suffers from the same laws as any other EU country due to a certain 'Bill of Human Rights' that binds every member. If we would take immigrants, so too would France or Italy. Thirdly, don't tell me that 'they all have the right to exist anywhere', that is idealistic crap that you would expect to find in the manifesto of a 12 year old who picked up a book on Marx and didn't quite understand it. They don't have to right to exist anywhere because that has the major possibility (and probability) to screw over society and impinge on everyone else's liberties. Do I have the right to exist in your house? Do murderers have the right to exist in your neighborhood?
Original post by Kiss
They shouldn't have been trying to illegally enter the UK. Immigration and customs exists for a reason - to stop people like him who didn't wait to fill out any formal application for entry.
Just because a country exists doesn't mean you have a right to live there. I don't see Iran offering freebies for any UK illegal immigrants, therefore I don't see why we should do likewise.
Just because a country exists doesn't mean you have a right to live there. I don't see Iran offering freebies for any UK illegal immigrants, therefore I don't see why we should do likewise.
Wow, a child dies, and this is your first reaction! You must be one ****ed up individual.
Original post by iamintorture
Sad that borders even exist in this world. No man should be able to claim a land for his own.
So you wouldn't mind living next to a Somali pirate then or a Nazi supporting German that has come over from Germany to live? Yeah okay.
Original post by CEKTOP
Do you want a Somalian warlord to be your neighbour? Or a rapist from India? I guess you don't.
Racism. You get rapists and psychos in every walk of life.
Original post by SpermOnAMission
So you wouldn't mind living next to a Somali pirate then or a Nazi supporting German that has come over from Germany to live? Yeah okay.
As above.
Original post by Syrian Guy
At the end of the day, people do not flee without a reason! I rest my case.
But, just to clarify my understanding, what exactly was happening in France that he was fleeing from
Original post by iamintorture
As above.
Not at all. A known Somalian pirate...you wouldn't want to live with them or near them and thats a fact. I suppose you'll say 'you get pirates in all walks of life and all nationalities' - internet pirates maybe but I don't know anyone from Cornwall of Bristol who goes out on boats killing people.
You're having a laugh. Nobody is buying into your immature argument sorry darling.
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