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first order differential equations

find the general solution in terms of t ds/dt - 3s = te^3t
Reply 1
Original post by Sina800
find the general solution in terms of t ds/dt - 3s = te^3t


it is a standard first order (integrating factor type)
Reply 2
Original post by TeeEm
it is a standard first order (integrating factor type)


My working out doesn't quite work out and i've taken u(x)= e^-3 and q(x)= te^3t
Reply 3
Original post by Sina800
My working out doesn't quite work out and i've taken u(x)= e^-3 and q(x)= te^3t


u(t) = -3
q(t) = te3t
Reply 4
Original post by TeeEm
u(t) = -3
q(t) = te3t


It's still not working out. The answer is s=( 1/2t2 + k ) e3t
This is my working out:
d/dt(-3s) = -3te3t

Integration by parts for the right hand side:

U= -t du= -1 dv= 3e3t v= e3t

-te3t - -1*e3t
= -te3t + e3t
= -te3t + 1/3e3t + K


-3s= 1/3e3t - te3t + K
(edited 8 years ago)
Reply 5
Original post by Sina800
It's still not working out. The answer is s=( 1/2t2 + k ) e3t
This is my working out:
d/dt(-3s) = -3te3t

Integration by parts for the right hand side:

U= -t du= -1 dv= 3e3t v= e3t

-te3t - -1*e3t
= -te3t + e3t
= -te3t + 1/3e3t + K


-3s= 1/3e3t - te3t + K


the answer is correct!

you have not multiplied the right hand side by the integrating factor!
Reply 6
Original post by TeeEm
the answer is correct!

you have not multiplied the right hand side by the integrating factor!



I have multiplied RHS if my integrating factor is u(t) = -3

d/dt(-3s) = -3te3t

And I've followed the steps but I don't see where the t2 has come from.
Reply 7
Original post by Sina800
I have multiplied RHS if my integrating factor is u(t) = -3

d/dt(-3s) = -3te3t

And I've followed the steps but I don't see where the t2 has come from.


the integrating factor is e-3t
Reply 8
Original post by TeeEm
the integrating factor is e-3t


Thank you my working out shows the answer but I don't understand how my integrating factor is e-3t

ds/dt - 3s = te3t

This is what I did the first time around can you explain where I'm going wrong with my IF. Please and Thank you.


I(t)= -3 U(t)= eI(t)= e-3
Reply 9
if dy/dx + yP(x) = Q(x)

the the integrating factor is always

e to the power of the integral of P(x) ,

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Reply 10
Thank you I realise that I've just forgotten to integrate this whole time sorry.
Reply 11
In case any one wants the correct working out to find the general solution in terms of t.
ds/dt - 3s = te3t
P(t)= -3
I(t)= -3t
U(t)= e-3t
Q(t)=te3t

d/dt(e-3ts) = te3t*e-3t
d/dt(e-3ts) = t
e-3ts = 1/2t2 + K
s=(1/2t2 + K)e3t
Reply 12
Original post by Sina800
In case any one wants the correct working out to find the general solution in terms of t.
ds/dt - 3s = te3t
P(t)= -3
I(t)= -3t
U(t)= e-3t
Q(t)=te3t

d/dt(e-3ts) = te3t*e-3t
d/dt(e-3ts) = t
e-3ts = 1/2t2 + K
s=(1/2t2 + K)e3t


looks ok to me

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