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Tube drivers get £50k+ a year, 38 days annual leave and work 36 hours a week?!?!!

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Will get the popcorn out for when these jobs become automated.
Original post by ibzombie96
Advocating near free market capitalism is exactly the reason why this isn't acceptable. Near free market capitalism accepts that when one party in a transaction becomes too powerful, the market, from a utilitarian standpoint, loses allocative efficiency. For this reason, most capitalist economists (as well as, of course, socialist ones) are against monopolies, as a monopoly uses its market power to shaft the workforce and shaft the consumers. But this is exactly what's happening here. One party in the transaction between the employer and employee (here, the tube workers) has grouped together and used their huge market power to force the other party's (the tube company) hand into doing what they want. If we don't accept companies building market power to exploit, why allow employees to do the same?


Fair enough. I don't see a solution though, unless a company separate from TFL is allowed to be formed and compete with them. Or forcing unions to break up...

Not really problem that needs solving though to be honest, trains are set to be further automated...
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Original post by Mad Vlad
Except work from home in comfort and enjoy being considerably better off than the union members.

:wink:


So you go from ranting without an actual argument, to bragging about how much money you make (which I've seen you do more than a few times on this site now) on a student centric website at that. I think the union members will take some comfort in not being so lame. :lol:
can't wait for them all to lose their jobs when they are done using computers
If Harrods staff would ever strike, they would probably be given the "But we have many applicants who would do your job for a lower wage than you're asking!" card by their employers.
Reply 65
Fair pay for the responsibility of the job. It's not as if you bring up a family like a king on this pay in London. We just need to bring up some other deserving workers to the same level and knock back some of the excessively paid elite. And, on balance, I'm not buying in to the argument that MPs are massively underpaid.
Original post by SeaPony
The Queen can?
Government ministers can?


Yet boris dosent
"Since when is £50k good?"

- TSR, 2015.
Original post by TheGuyReturns
Fair enough. I don't see a solution though, unless a company separate from TFL is allowed to be formed and compete with them. Or forcing unions to break up...

Not really problem that needs solving though to be honest, trains are set to be further automated...


How about increasing the supply of tube drivers? Perhaps even hiring foreigners, most foreigners would probably be fearful of going on a strike since they might be deported.
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Original post by TheGuyReturns
Anyway, if you were told that you'd have to work nights with no rise in pay and when you complained you were thrown a pathetic pay rise I'm pretty sure you'd be quite angry about it.

And since you moaned about socialism, I'm guessing you're a hardcore advocate for free market (or near free market) capitalism... in which case, these people are free to tell their employer to **** off and if they don't like it they should either give them a raise or hire someone else. I don't see how you can be moaning at the tube drivers themselves?

Exactly, so tell me- why don't they just quit then? Because they can't get showered with my tax money for doing ****-all so easily in any other job?
Reply 70
Original post by SecretDuck
If Harrods staff would ever strike, they would probably be given the "But we have many applicants who would do your job for a lower wage than you're asking!" card by their employers.

Because its the truth?
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Original post by Moosferatu
No more unions. No more strikes. No more workers.

Just what matters. Me.

Me and now.

No unions = no workers? What ****ing planet are you on?
Reply 72
Original post by TheGuyReturns
If I one day decide that I don't like the conditions I'm working my job, I live in a free country and I am well within my rights to tell my employer to go **** himself. My friends/colleagues are then free on their own accord to decide whether or not they want to join me. A union is just a slightly more organised version of this. I don't see how someone can be "against" unions, it's like being "against" my right to walk out of a park.

Would you mind explaining your position? I'd be curious to hear from anyone else who is "against" unions here too!

No problem you going on strike, so long as you agree to be sacked for doing so. Gross misconduct is a sackable offence, yes?
Original post by billydisco
No problem you going on strike, so long as you agree to be sacked for doing so. Gross misconduct is a sackable offence, yes?


Sure.

I am curious though, when your entire workforce walks out on you and you sack them, do you really think said business is going to get enough new employees quickly enough to survive? :wink:
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Original post by TheGuyReturns
Sure.

I am curious though, when your entire workforce walks out on you and you sack them, do you really think said business is going to get enough new employees quickly enough to survive? :wink:

But the entire workforce won't walk out. They can't afford to......

So TfL would have some drivers available, could immediately start recruiting for new ones. Running a tube train isn't exactly rocket science, doubt there's more than five buttons to be pressed.

Oh and the Army could be called in to help if it really came to it.

Would be funny seeing an ex-tube driver trying to find a job paying more than £20k, after leaving his cushty public sector gig for being a greedy ******.
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Original post by billydisco
But the entire workforce won't walk out. They can't afford to......

So TfL would have some drivers available, could immediately start recruiting for new ones. Running a tube train isn't exactly rocket science, doubt there's more than five buttons to be pressed.

Oh and the Army could be called in to help if it really came to it.


Most workers who "walk out" on their employers can't afford to, but they know that them and their colleagues are basically guaranteed to win the game of chicken they just instigated, and so they do...

As for the TfL situation... do you honestly think if all the tube strikers were sacked tomorrow morning that TfL could keep the system up to an adequate standard while they try to find new employees, without significantly harming London's economy?
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Doubt you'd feel the same if you were getting the same conditions as the drivers.
Original post by billydisco
But the entire workforce won't walk out. They can't afford to......

So TfL would have some drivers available, could immediately start recruiting for new ones. Running a tube train isn't exactly rocket science, doubt there's more than five buttons to be pressed.

Oh and the Army could be called in to help if it really came to it.

Would be funny seeing an ex-tube driver trying to find a job paying more than £20k, after leaving his cushty public sector gig for being a greedy ******.



Law states you can't bring in agency workers during a strike.
Original post by billydisco
No, its called traffic you tit and parking alone costs £15+ a day.


More like £7 to £15 an hour to park in central London plus the congestion charge to drive in. It's good for the environment (tax collection).


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Original post by billydisco
No unions = no workers? What ****ing planet are you on?


There will be no workers left mate when they have automated them all

What people like you want down a T

Robots don't say no sir I can't take any more beatings

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