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If chatrooms did'nt exist then these sickos would still find ways to molest children. Banning chat rooms only moves the problem elsewhere.
But, critically, it's about access - and more to the point - ease of access.

If the major chat sites were shut, where would it move to? I don't necessarily agree that new upstarts would gather the same kind of following as the major chatrooms.

The innocent children would probably just speak to their friends on MSN, and avoid paedophiles - rather than rooting out an abstract new website.

The paedophiles would retreat to their shells and their potential catchment of victims would be reduced to a more localised level i.e. their family and children in their local area.
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But, critically, it's about access - and more to the point - ease of access.

If the major chat sites were shut, where would it move to? I don't necessarily agree that new upstarts would gather the same kind of following as the major chatrooms.

The innocent children would probably just speak to their friends on MSN, and avoid paedophiles - rather than rooting out an abstract new website.

The paedophiles would retreat to their shells and their potential catchment of victims would be reduced to a more localised level i.e. their family and children in their local area.
Again, shouldn’t this type of blanket censorship be the responsibility of the parent?
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Again, shouldn’t this type of blanket censorship be the responsibility of the parent?
Why shouldn't the state take steps to prevent children from coming to harm?

What of corporate responsibility to boot? Why do you think BT has made plans to block access to the major child porn websites and other ISPs are considering this too?

If the government, through censorship, and internet providers (at the point-of-sale) can block child porn websites and chatrooms conducive to paedophiles - shouldn't they do it?
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Why shouldn't the state take steps to prevent children from coming to harm?
Because its too extreme a reaction, by the same logic, the government should introduce a national curfew for children, after all think of how many children die in the streets not only from paedophiles, but cars, playing games etc..
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(Original post by mobbdeeprob)
Why shouldn't the state take steps to prevent children from coming to harm?

What of corporate responsibility to boot? Why do you think BT has made plans to block access to the major child porn websites and other ISPs are considering this too?

If the government, through censorship, and internet providers (at the point-of-sale) can block child porn websites and chatrooms conducive to paedophiles - shouldn't they do it?
Banning all chat rooms to target paedophiles would be like banning all web pages just to target the child porn sites.
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Because its too extreme a reaction, by the same logic, the government should introduce a national curfew for children, after all think of how many children die in the streets not only from paedophiles, but cars, playing games etc..
There is a curfew for children (or is this only at a local level?)
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Banning all chat rooms to target paedophiles would be like banning all web pages just to target the child porn sites.
No it wouldn't.

I'm highly sceptical of chatrooms - what do people need webcams and microphones for on Yahoo chat? Discussing the weather?
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There is a curfew for children (or is this only at a local level?)
Yeah, its in central london after 9pm in Leicester Square etc.. THis is a good examlpe, It wouldnt make sense to ban all chat rooms just as it wouldnt make sense to enforce a nationwide curfew.
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Yeah, its in central london after 9pm in Leicester Square etc.. THis is a good examlpe, It wouldnt make sense to ban all chat rooms just as it wouldnt make sense to enforce a nationwide curfew.
Children should be at home and in bed by 9pm, it would make perfect sense.
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No it wouldn't.

I'm highly sceptical of chatrooms - what do people need webcams and microphones for on Yahoo chat? Discussing the weather?
Because lots of people like to see each other when they're talking and actually to talk, not type. Hundreds of thousands of people use chat rooms every day for legitimate reasons.

You're proposing banning ALL chat rooms because a handful of people abuse them to try and groom children for abuse. How is that any different than banning all web sites because some web sites contain child pornography?

Both are blanket bans.
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Because lots of people like to see each other when they're talking and actually to talk, not type. Hundreds of thousands of people use chat rooms every day for legitimate reasons.

You're proposing banning ALL chat rooms because a handful of people abuse them to try and groom children for abuse. How is that any different than banning all web sites because some web sites contain child pornography?

Both are blanket bans.
Maybe banning the internet altogether wouldn't be such a bad thing. If it wasn't for the internet then I, and several other young people, would probably never have seen pornography (of the adult variety btw).
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Maybe banning the internet altogether wouldn't be such a bad thing. If it wasn't for the internet then I, and several other young people, would probably never have seen pornography (of the adult variety btw).
What on earth is wrong with adult pornography?
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What on earth is wrong with adult pornography?
It's degrading to the parties concerned; it makes people lose their willpower by becoming overly immersed in masturbation; and it takes up too much hard disk space.
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It's degrading to the parties concerned; it makes people lose their willpower by becoming overly immersed in masturbation; and it takes up too much hard disk space.
Right. Overly immersed in masturbation. :rolleyes:
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It's degrading to the parties concerned; it makes people lose their willpower by becoming overly immersed in masturbation; and it takes up too much hard disk space.
The moral crusader and preserver of all that is decent. (there is nothing wrong with masturbation, its actually quite pleasurable)
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The moral crusader and preserver of all that is decent. (there is nothing wrong with masturbation, its actually quite pleasurable)
If there were two things that I wish I'd never discovered - one would be cigarettes, and the other masturbation.

Luckily I've quit the former, and I'm hoping to stop the latter. I suppose it's fortunate that masturbation stops for most people when they're in a settled relationship.
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If there were two things that I wish I'd never discovered - one would be cigarettes, and the other masturbation.

Luckily I've quit the former, and I'm hoping to stop the latter. I suppose it's fortunate that masturbation stops for most people when they're in a settled relationship.
What? You do know that masturbation reduces risk of prostate cancer, right?
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Okey dokey, im off to bed. Night Llamas, MD.

Mobb, to you i shall say: sometimes you cannot see the wood for the trees.

goodnite, everone.
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What? You do know that masturbation reduces risk of prostate cancer, right?
Fertility rates in the West have been in steady decline, especially in the last 30 years. Increasing stress, poor diets, STDs and environmental pollution are to blame; masturbation is at fault too.
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Fertility rates in the West have been in steady decline, especially in the last 30 years. Increasing stress, poor diets, STDs and environmental pollution are to blame; masturbation is at fault too.
How the hell did you make that link?
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