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C2 Arithmatic sequences

This question part ii) has gotten me quite confused. Here's my approach:
So I basically made u1,u2 a sequence knowing that it repeats every 3 values.
So we can start at u1 first.
a = 1 d = 3
1+(n-1)3=200
n=199/3 we can see that a decimal is received so it's not possible
Then attempt with u2 starting so a=2 d = 3
2+(n-1)3=200
here 198/3=66 so it's divisible and therefore the answer is -1.
This actually gets me the correct answer but I have no clue why. I just did this of half guessing. Could anyone please explain why this arrives me to the correct answer? Thanks
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Original post by frne5
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Original post by SunnyBoys
This question part ii) has gotten me quite confused. Here's my approach:
So I basically made u1,u2 a sequence knowing that it repeats every 3 values.
So we can start at u1 first.
a = 1 d = 3
1+(n-1)3=200
n=199/3 we can see that a decimal is received so it's not possible
Then attempt with u2 starting so a=2 d = 3
2+(n-1)3=200
here 198/3=66 so it's divisible and therefore the answer is -1.
This actually gets me the correct answer but I have no clue why. I just did this of half guessing. Could anyone please explain why this arrives me to the correct answer? Thanks


Because your sequence given in question is {2,1,12,2,1,12,...}\{ 2,-1,\frac{1}{2},2,-1,\frac{1}{2},...\}

This means that 1=u2=u5=u8=...=u2+3k=...\displaystyle -1=u_2=u_5=u_8=...=u_{2+3k}=... for kN0k \in \mathbb{N}_0

Setting 2+3k=2002+3k=200 gives you a natural number for kk, which fits the above, so u200=1u_{200}=-1
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Original post by RDKGames
Because your sequence given in question is {2,1,12,2,1,12,...}\{ 2,-1,\frac{1}{2},2,-1,\frac{1}{2},...\}

This means that 1=u2=u5=u8=...=u2+3k=...\displaystyle -1=u_2=u_5=u_8=...=u_{2+3k}=... for kNk \in \mathbb{N}

Setting 2+3k=2002+3k=200 gives you a natural number for kk, which fits the above, so u200=1u_{200}=-1

So instead of using an arithmetic sequence I should just use nth term?
And thanks that clarifies it
Original post by RDKGames
Because your sequence given in question is {2,1,12,2,1,12,...}\{ 2,-1,\frac{1}{2},2,-1,\frac{1}{2},...\}

This means that 1=u2=u5=u8=...=u2+3k=...\displaystyle -1=u_2=u_5=u_8=...=u_{2+3k}=... for kN0k \in \mathbb{N}_0

Setting 2+3k=2002+3k=200 gives you a natural number for kk, which fits the above, so u200=1u_{200}=-1


What would you use as d in the nth term formula?
Original post by SunnyBoys
So instead of using an arithmetic sequence I should just use nth term?
And thanks that clarifies it


To expand on the above just by a bit and shed a bit more light,

From your sequence {2,1,12,2,1,12,...}\{ 2,-1,\frac{1}{2},2,-1,\frac{1}{2},...\}

You get:
2=u1=u4=u7=...=u1+3(k1)=...2=u_1=u_4=u_7=...=u_{1+3(k-1)}=...

1=u2=u5=u8=...=u2+3(k1)=...-1=u_2=u_5=u_8=...=u_{2+3(k-1)}=...

12=u3=u6=u9=...=u3+3(k1)=...\frac{1}{2}=u_3=u_6=u_9=...=u_{3+3(k-1)}=...

...for kNk \in \mathbb{N}


Now if u200=2u_{200}=2 THEN there exists a natural number KK such that 1+3(K1)=2001+3(K-1)=200

If u200=1u_{200}=-1 THEN there exists a natural number KK such that 2+3(K1)=2002+3(K-1)=200

If u200=12u_{200}=\frac{1}{2} THEN there exists a natural number KK such that 3+3(K1)=2003+3(K-1)=200


So your method is sort of a trial and error as you're looking through these possibilities to see which one is satisfied, it is not recommended if the cycle is larger.



If I were to do the question, I would recognise that since the sequence repeats after every 3 terms (every 3rd term is 1/2), then I'd look for the closest number to 200 that is a multiple of 3 - so that would be 201. Meaning u201=12u_{201}=\frac{1}{2} so go back one and you get u200=1u_{200}=-1
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Original post by Chichaldo
What would you use as d in the nth term formula?


3 as it repeats after 3 terms.

Look at the post above for a proper explanation.
Original post by RDKGames


If I were to do the question, I would recognise that since the sequence repeats after every 3 terms, then I'd look for the closest number to 200 that is a multiple of 3 - so that would be 201. Meaning u201=12u_{201}=\frac{1}{2} so go back one and you get u200=1u_{200}=-1


Why must it be a half?
Original post by Chichaldo
Why must it be a half?


Because if it repeats after every 3rd term, this means that every 3rd term is the last number in the cycle. Which is 1/2.
Original post by RDKGames
Because if it repeats after every 3rd term, this means that every 3rd term is the last number in the cycle. Which is 1/2.


Ah I baguette you. This would catch out many in an exam I think.
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Original post by RDKGames
To expand on the above just by a bit and shed a bit more light,

From your sequence {2,1,12,2,1,12,...}\{ 2,-1,\frac{1}{2},2,-1,\frac{1}{2},...\}

You get:
2=u1=u4=u7=...=u1+3(k1)=...2=u_1=u_4=u_7=...=u_{1+3(k-1)}=...

1=u2=u5=u8=...=u2+3(k1)=...-1=u_2=u_5=u_8=...=u_{2+3(k-1)}=...

12=u3=u6=u9=...=u3+3(k1)=...\frac{1}{2}=u_3=u_6=u_9=...=u_{3+3(k-1)}=...

...for kNk \in \mathbb{N}


Now if u200=2u_{200}=2 THEN there exists a natural number KK such that 1+3(K1)=2001+3(K-1)=200

If u200=1u_{200}=-1 THEN there exists a natural number KK such that 2+3(K1)=2002+3(K-1)=200

If u200=12u_{200}=\frac{1}{2} THEN there exists a natural number KK such that 3+3(K1)=2003+3(K-1)=200


So your method is sort of a trial and error as you're looking through these possibilities to see which one is satisfied, it is not recommended if the cycle is larger.



If I were to do the question, I would recognise that since the sequence repeats after every 3 terms (every 3rd term is 1/2), then I'd look for the closest number to 200 that is a multiple of 3 - so that would be 201. Meaning u201=12u_{201}=\frac{1}{2} so go back one and you get u200=1u_{200}=-1

Thanks! :smile:

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