"Bring on Oxbridge quotas"

The problem with quotas is that they don't address the root cause of the inequity in admissions which is the systemic barriers to achievement placed before students from low socioeconomic backgrounds and minority ethnic backgrounds. By the very structure of "modern society" such students are unable to move into more affluent areas with "better" schools due to the extreme limitations on their parents working conditions, and thus consistently have lower attainment regardless of individual ability - and so are less prepared for and thus less able to complete the degree programmes in question.

This is clearly beyond the students' control, but until universities leverage their political power to force politicians to acknowledge the issues and implement policy to remove these barriers, the problem will remain - no matter how many quotas, Oxbridge interview technique sessions, funded open day attendances and university rep visits to lower performing schools they put in place. It is a policy issues that needs to be addressed by politicians, not foisted off as the fault of the universities who are otherwise powerless to make any long term change.

there is no reason why Oxford & Cambridge should not open a few new colleges exclusively for students from the lowest attaining backgrounds. these could be sponsored by football clubs or clothing brands...

Don't rep my comment, it's specifically railing against your brand of ignorant bigotry, not defending it.

To write it in a form you might understand...

there is no reason why Oxford & Cambridge should not open a few new colleges exclusively for students from the lowest attaining backgrounds. these could be sponsored by football clubs or clothing brands...

hehe. Other than a few tens of millions of pounds and a few acres of real estate. Perhaps Gap College might be an appropriate start for such an initiative, or River Island Hall, or maybe Next College. Presumably FCUK wouldn't be acceptable.

If I could take the rep back I would, unlike you I don't set out to cause offence.

I believe that people should be treated fairly and without prejudice regardless of the colour of their skin. Your opinion may differ from mine, but that doesn't make me an ignorant bigot.

And did you notice something? I managed to express an opinion without hurling personal abuse: perhaps you should try it sometime.

Without continuing to go off-topic, your comments on other threads make it very clear you have no interest in anything other than continuing the degradation of marginalised groups by ignoring the fundamental race issues at hand and perpetuating the equally damaging and racist approach of "colour blindness" by pretending that you don't see race at all and thus it is not an issue.

This is while using Western white standards as the metric to compare others and holding and furthering the view that deviation from this as being bad and the fault of those failing to live up to these standards - despite the fact that necessarily impossible to do so due to the entrenched racial dynamics of the country (and many others, albeit with different characteristics). Quotas are not bad because "sad little white child" can't get in because of them, quotas are bad because it doesn't do anything to help marginalised groups and merely sweeps the problem under the table.

Also if it wasn't clear, white people are not a marginalised group by any reason except being a member of another marginalised group - and even then these frequently flagrantly engage in casual racism, be it white women playing into the "men of colour as sexual aggressors", white gay men saying that it's "just a preference" to completely refuse to date black men and not acknowledge the damaging white Anglo-European beauty standards which are at best the cause of this and that these need to be unlearned, white working class people acting as those immigrants of colour are the reason they can't get a job.

For the record, I will abuse those who use their privileged position to abuse, or further the abuse of, marginalised people until my dying breath. You don't want that? Stop being a bigot, and I'll happily save my breath.

Without continuing to go off-topic, your comments on other threads make it very clear you have no interest in anything other than continuing the degradation of marginalised groups by ignoring the fundamental race issues at hand and perpetuating the equally damaging and racist approach of "colour blindness" by pretending that you don't see race at all and thus it is not an issue.

This is while using Western white standards as the metric to compare others and holding and furthering the view that deviation from this as being bad and the fault of those failing to live up to these standards - despite the fact that necessarily impossible to do so due to the entrenched racial dynamics of the country (and many others, albeit with different characteristics). Quotas are not bad because "sad little white child" can't get in because of them, quotas are bad because it doesn't do anything to help marginalised groups and merely sweeps the problem under the table.

Also if it wasn't clear, white people are not a marginalised group by any reason except being a member of another marginalised group - and even then these frequently flagrantly engage in casual racism, be it white women playing into the "men of colour as sexual aggressors", white gay men saying that it's "just a preference" to completely refuse to date black men and not acknowledge the damaging white Anglo-European beauty standards which are at best the cause of this and that these need to be unlearned, white working class people acting as those immigrants of colour are the reason they can't get a job.

For the record, I will abuse those who use their privileged position to abuse, or further the abuse of, marginalised people until my dying breath. You don't want that? Stop being a bigot, and I'll happily save my breath.

The other poster, from what I gather, was merely suggesting that the admissions process concentrate more on maintaining a level playing field. I see nothing awry with this, and you have not addressed his argument, rather claiming such a suggestion to be a mortal sin, and bordering on personal attack in an accusation of personal attack.



Are you kidding me? You're saying it's ok that competent white children are discriminated against in favour of marginalised groups? The fact that you emphasised "sad little white child" indicates that fairness is not really an issue for you. White children should have equal opportunity to ethnic minorities and quotas prevent this on the basis of their race. This is a problem, and is racism. This isn't "reverse racism" or "kind of racism", it's racism. Speaking from a (pretty vapid but oh well) moral standpoint, this is no worse than discriminating against ethnic minorities on the basis of their race. Are their applications worth any less because they're ""better equipped to handle rejection""?



Quotas seek to change this.



Casual racism (jokes etc.) against white individuals is becoming increasingly frequent among "non-whites" and even whites. Obviously, this isn't nearly as prominent, though if we continue attempting to counter inequality, with shifting the inequality the other way, this may indeed be the case.



They're entitled to date whomever they wish, even if their selection is on the basis of race, this is off-topic.



You are going the wrong way about it. You haven't really addressed their argument in a collected manner, at all, rather taking a moral high horse and dodging their points.