Warwick Rape Joke Students- 3 expelled 2 banned for a year, rest fined.

Are you suggesting that rape and suggestions as to rape will one day be accepted across wider society as homosexuality has been? I don't see the association. Personally I think 'frat boys' should crowd-fund their own university where they can say what they like all day long, no rules, no consequences.

How does it have an impact on the public and "wider student body" when they were intending to keep it private?...

Yes, that’s exactly what I was getting at 🙄.

Intention of privacy doesn't matter, once it has become public then it has consequences, the university is not going to stick its fingers in its ears or cover its eyes when such things come to light, because things were said privately. Once the cat is out of the bag...

I don't even know what you're trying to argue now. These men were repeatedly suggesting to one-another that they should rape specific students at their university, this was clearly contrary to the personal behaviour and values expected of members of the institution. They suffered the penalty. You don't have anywhere to go on this. You join a club, you're subject to the rules of the club, you breach the rules of the club and get found out then you have to suffer the consequences in accordance with the club's rules. What's so hard to understand? You clearly care more for these horrible (ex) students than for the welfare, physical and psychological, of female students who were targeted. You are despicable.

...You have disgusting sanctimonious bloodlust.

I'm a big believer in proportionality as it happens though what 'is proportionate' depends on your point of view. Most grown ups, mothers and fathers of young women at university in particular I imagine, would regard removal as very appropriate for those who had been suggesting they should rape so-and-so a student. Real world dude, real world rules. Also, you are an utter disgrace in your repeated defence of these terrible, terrible students.

Right you believe in proportionality, it just so happens that anyone with a different view to you about what is proportionate is a disgrace.

In other words, you get to lynch the neo-nazi and anyone who disagrees is defending them and is a disgrace.

Go away kid and let the adults talk lol.

But I haven't talked about lynching anyone

I never said you did man. Don't play dumb, I know you're not THAT stupid so as to not understand an analogy.

I understand you have to grasp at straws at this point though.

Disgraceful. I'd like to see you put your arguments face-to-face to the mothers and fathers of the female students who were targeted by these men for their abhorrent 'discussions' about raping them. Your eager and protracted defence of these contemptible men is shocking.

...I'm the reasonable person suggesting we shouldn't lynch neo-nazis. You're the crazed mob shouting at me that I should see if I can make that argument face-to-face with Jews, and that I'm defending the neo-nazi...

Why do you keep bringing neo-Nazis into the discussion? And now you're discussing Jews? I've not brought either of these things into my arguments which I believe have been entirely reasonable.

...It's obvious to everyone that you are simply unable to respond to my argument that half the people at university would be kicked out for making a joke which could be read as a threat when taken out of context...

If half of those at university are indeed suggesting in their conversations that they should rape so-and-so a student then they should be kicked out when it becomes public. Universities don't want students who are misogynists and who are opposed to their core values as institutions. That these men might have been joking, which I don't assume anyway, makes no difference, that is cold, cold comfort to the mothers and fathers of the female students targeted let alone the students themselves.

As I said, it's not merely rape jokes which would be targeted by your principle. Anyone making a joke about killing someone else would also be subject to your view that we should consider things without context as threats, if they indeed look like a threat when that is done.

So do you really think we should kick out of university anyone who has made a joke about killing someone?

Obviously I've said all this before, you were unable to answer so just started screeching about how I was defending those who make rape-threats, and now you're recycling an argument I've already responded to.

[sigh] If a group of students have a private discussion in which they identify an individual, or individuals, at their university that they say they should kill, then yes, they should suffer like penalty. As I have now said a few times, that those who have such conversations find it humorous does not make it merely a 'joke' or demonstrate that there is no potential threat. Even if there is no likely threat in what is said it is still unacceptable to target people for discussion about murdering them. It's a complete red-herring to make reference to the use of "I'm going to kill you!" humour which is between friends or said in public in a heated exchange. But please try and stay on track, these students were punished for suggesting they should rape, that's what the discussion was about, setting aside the racism of course, which conveniently for you I haven't even touched on.

...Why do you think we should take rape jokes literally, but not murder jokes?...

I don't accept that the students discussing who they should rape were joking though you try hard to repeatedly sneak that into your argument as if an established fact. If these students had been discussing the murder of individual students at their university it should be taken seriously, just as discussing the rape of individual students should be. Let me ask you this, have you ever jokingly said to your mum (or sister or other female you were you were friendly with) that you were 'going to kill her'?