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Jair Bolsonaro: Far-right candidate wins Brazil poll

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Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
Honestly just being silent would do. As would being ignored. The press in Brazil tried to do to this guy what they tried to do to UKIP here, repeatedly bring them onto high profile shows to dunk on them, aren't their views outlandish and all that. As with UKIP it backfired and just gave them a route to prominence.


Well I think in Brazil the "centrists" largely backed him for power.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Well I think in Brazil the "centrists" largely backed him for power.


Because given the choice between a centrist or a fascist, the left will gladly take the centrist, while given the choice between a moderate socialist or a fascist, the centrists will take the fascist. Fishhook theory in action. But it doesn't change that but for the press highlighting him, he'd have remained an irrelevance
Original post by zhog
Typical indigestion by the Left in the face of another electoral defeat, he may be all that the BBC and the Guardian frighten us with but... he defeated their preferred leftist candidate by a mile. It's that pesky thing of having to deal with the people, that irritating bunch that keeps getting in the way of world domination, isn't it?

You quite nicely sum up the right today. You take you're views solely based on what will 'piss off the left'. Here you are defending and supporting a man who has advocated torture and is quite openly homophobic because it annoys the left.

It's like those on three right who support polluting the rivers because it makes Al Gore cry.
Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
Because given the choice between a centrist or a fascist, the left will gladly take the centrist, while given the choice between a moderate socialist or a fascist, the centrists will take the fascist. Fishhook theory in action. But it doesn't change that but for the press highlighting him, he'd have remained an irrelevance


If you replace socialist with defunct post 2008 crash unreconstructed third war blairism then yes -___-
Original post by BornBlue1
You quite nicely sum up the right today. You take you're views solely based on what will 'piss off the left'. Here you are defending and supporting a man who has advocated torture and is quite openly homophobic because it annoys the left.

I'd be open to attack if you could find anything on record where I 'support' (rather than endorsing) or criticise any electoral choice of any persuasion in any other country, that might validate your assumption of 'special treatment' about this one only because he annoys you. However, there is no evidence of it at all. Nothing on Maduro or any other democratically elected leftie, simply not moved to pass judgement on what people in other countries do with their votes. I'm not supporting him, the Brazilian electorate did.

It's that 'democracy' thing completely evading you the way it does with so many lefties, it is beyond your understanding and for good reasons. Brazilians are the only people qualified to judge him, why does he bother you so much? They must know of all we know.
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Original post by ChaoticButterfly
If you replace socialist with defunct post 2008 crash unreconstructed third war blairism then yes -___-


Nah, if they're slightly left of full fash they're a socialist. Get with the enlightened centrism program. Like the BBCs very fair reporting, asking if the guy who *checks notes* thinks the problem with the dictatorship was it only tortured rather than killed with too many people is actually just a refreshing break from political correctness:

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Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
Nah, if they're slightly left of full fash they're a socialist. Get with the enlightened centrism program. Like the BBCs very fair reporting, asking if the guy who *checks notes* thinks the problem with the dictatorship was it only tortured rather than killed with too many people is actually just a refreshing break from political correctness:

He said whatever he said in the past and people in Brazil have voted him President nevertheless. It doesn't bother them as much as it does at the BBC or the Guardian and they couldn't care less about it, it is only for you guys to play with at home. But do go on...
Original post by zhog
I'd be open to attack if you could find anything on record where I 'support' (rather than endorsing) or criticise any electoral choice of any persuasion in any other country, that might validate your assumption of 'special treatment' about this one only because he annoys you. However, there is no evidence of it at all. Nothing on Maduro or any other democratically elected leftie, simply not moved to pass judgement on what people in other countries do with their votes. I'm not supporting him, the Brazilian electorate did.

It's that 'democracy' thing completely evading you the way it does with so many lefties, it is beyond your understanding and for good reasons. Brazilians are the only people qualified to judge him, why does he bother you so much? They must know of all we know.

And the Germans voted for the Nazis.

The mere fact that someone has been elected shouldn't cover up the fact that they believe and support torture or persecuting homosexuals as he has openly done.

But every post of yours on here reads the same. You take your positions not on ideology or principle but simply on what will annoy 'lefties'. Hence your side support polluting rivers and call global warming enough because it makes liberals cry.

There are some things we should all agree on, left or right. And opposition to torture and persecutions of homosexuals to name two are examples.

You seem to have gone from a respectable poster into an angry 4chan tribute act. Heck you couldn't even bring yourself to condemn the Trump fanatic who sent pipe bombs to a Obama and Clinton.
Original post by zhog
He said whatever he said in the past and people in Brazil have voted him President nevertheless. It doesn't bother them as much as it does at the BBC or the Guardian and they couldn't care less about it, it is only for you guys to play with at home. But do go on...


People voting him in doesn't mean we can't be concerned about his previous statements. He's advocated the harm of LGBT people; he's supporting cutting down the Amazon rainforest and getting rid of the native tribes living in there - not far off genocide for profit; he's suggested that the thing the military dictatorship got wrong was that it only tortured it's political opponents rather than killing them. He's an incredibly problematic person, criticism shouldn't cease just because he's been elected.
Original post by BornBlue1
You seem to have gone from a respectable poster into an angry 4chan tribute act. Heck you couldn't even bring yourself to condemn the Trump fanatic who sent pipe bombs to a Obama and Clinton.

Oh, I'm angry? There is you and the rest moaning about another electoral choice in another country, frustrated as f**k because a 'horrible' and 'disgusting' man on a BBC monitoring list has been elected President, the amount of time and space dedicated to it ticking on a daily basis, the vitriol well up there with anything he's ever said.... and I'm the one who's angry. Yeah, it's driving me up the wall seeing you so laid-back about it all. I'm angry like Emily Maitlis going over to Hungary to confront them on their 'human rights' record, she looked well put off by it. People like her have no time for democracy either.
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Original post by zhog
Oh, I'm angry? There is you and the rest moaning about another electoral choice in another country, frustrated as f**k because a 'horrible' and 'disgusting' man on a BBC monitoring list has been elected President, the amount of time and space dedicated to it ticking on a daily basis, the vitriol well up there with anything he's ever said.... and I'm the one who's angry. Yeah, it's driving me up the wall seeing you so laid-back about it all. I'm angry like Emily Maitlis going over to Hungary to confront them on their 'human rights' record, she looked well put off by it. People like her have no time for democracy either.


Regimes like Hungary absolutely should be held to account for their human rights records. You seem to think that just because someone has been elected that they should not be questioned or criticised and that any criticism is an affront or disregard for democracy. Which is a pretty bizarre position to take if you claim to love democracy. You seem to think any criticism at all of Trump is unacceptable.

I imagine if Corbyn were to win an election you would certainly criticise and oppose him...

Why are you so damn angry all the time? Every post you make sounds like you're about to have heart palpations.

It seems you will support anyone solely on the basis that liberals dislike them.
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Original post by BornBlue1
Regimes like Hungary absolutely should be held to account for their human rights records. You seem to think that just because someone has been elected that they should not be questioned or criticised and that any criticism is an affront or disregard for democracy. Which is a pretty bizarre position to take if you claim to love democracy. You seem to think any criticism at all of Trump is unacceptable.

Yep. let's send the tanks rolling into Budapest like your Soviet brothers did. It's not about having a problem with criticism of Trump or any other democratically elected world leader, the problem is the demented nature of it at times and how it comes from the most dictatorial and anti-democratic quarters of the political spectrum. Nah, you and the BBC truly and utterly don't understand it and that is what makes you dangerous.
Original post by zhog
Yep. let's send the tanks rolling into Budapest like your Soviet brothers did. It's not about having a problem with criticism of Trump or any other democratically elected world leader, the problem is the demented nature of it at times and how it comes from the most dictatorial and anti-democratic quarters of the political spectrum. Nah, you and the BBC truly and utterly don't understand it and that is what makes you dangerous.

You're a very angry person.

You really seem to have a massive issue with anyone criticising or questioning a right wing leader. It's bizarre.

When right wing leaders like Orban act in an auhtoritarian manner they absolutely should be criticised and repeatedly so. Same with Trump. Or do you think its fine for the Brazilian president to openly support torture and persecution of homosexuals?

Yet you never, ever accept any criticism and you laughably go into angry conspiracy rants.
Original post by zhog
I do think lefties become too unhappy when elections don't go their way, it is obvious at every step that they don't spare a thought for the mere fact that... their opponents were democratically elected.


On the contrary, it was Bolsonaro who suggested he might not accept the results if he lost - Haddad has been fully respectful of the process (despite the obscene attempts to kneecap the PT at every point possible in the last few years). A la Trump and Clinton respectively in 2016.
Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
Because given the choice between a centrist or a fascist, the left will gladly take the centrist, while given the choice between a moderate socialist or a fascist, the centrists will take the fascist. Fishhook theory in action.


Big lesson to take from this for the left is don't bother trying to appease these people. Lula and Dilma bent over backwards trying to bring the Brazilian elites along with them so they could enact fairly moderate social democracy, and the latter still jumped at the first opportunity they got to force them out, even if it meant a fascist in office instead.
Original post by anarchism101
Big lesson to take from this for the left is don't bother trying to appease these people. Lula and Dilma bent over backwards trying to bring the Brazilian elites along with them so they could enact fairly moderate social democracy, and the latter still jumped at the first opportunity they got to force them out, even if it meant a fascist in office instead.


Socialism or barbarism innit

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Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Socialism or barbarism innit

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Looks like you typed Barbarism twice there, might want to fix that
Good on Brazil.
Original post by anarchism101
On the contrary, it was Bolsonaro who suggested he might not accept the results if he lost - Haddad has been fully respectful of the process (despite the obscene attempts to kneecap the PT at every point possible in the last few years). A la Trump and Clinton respectively in 2016.

Look, I just couldn't care less about any of that and neither does the Brazilian electorate or the rest of world. It has no bearing whatsoever in it and it's just more of this new phenomenon where a vast amount of time is consumed by leftist propaganda on imaginary scenarios and hypothetical catastrophes they want to frighten people with. I go by results, the moment the man does something in his new post we'll see.

What has Trump done to justify the freakish reaction his election induced, nothing has really happened that falls foul of the workings of the democratic system. The psychosis that has gripped his enemies is a direct reflexion of their inability to deal with an electoral defeat, where does all that come from? By now, it is clear where I think it comes from so I'll say no more.
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Original post by AperfectBalance
Looks like you typed Barbarism twice there, might want to fix that


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