Rich Kid - Poor Kid

I didn't grow up in appalling conditions like Natalie has. Yet - I know people between me and her who are less well off than me but more than her. Do they have to be grateful? Hell, do I? Where do you set your arbitrary line saying where people have to be grateful for being born into wealth and people don't?

Because if you took the world on an entire line then Natalie would be very grateful indeed. This is not splitting hairs. Does she not have free education (up to the age of 15, in her case) - or free healthcare? Or free money? At least some job prospects? Clean water? A place to sleep? Enough money for food and cigarettes and alcohol? Does she live in fear of being killed for her race or religion every day?

Do you think the majority of the world has that? This is not splitting hairs; it is remarkable that you think national borders come into this.

Yes! its preferable if they are grateful than if they are not, if they assume the latter then its going to look bad on them, think thats fair price to pay for being born into wealth. Arbitarily is possibly the worst word you could use, because as that programme showed the consequences of wealth on the same street were anything but arbitary.

Don't know if you are playing devils advocate or are geuinely such an inconsiderate person, looking at your profile though one things for certain, im immensely grateful im not some tory gone wrong.

i think if my dad had been shot, my mum got depressed, my family had no money and my brother slept on the floor, id be a bit angry at life.

the rich one "they can all die for i care" and "i couldnt bear sending my kids to state school" was hugely irritating, more than i can put into words, and i dont think her 'redemption' at the end was genuine, at all.

that natalie went into her house and was like, oh your kitchen and garden are lovely...and alices parents ignore her and follow her about so she doesnt steal anything?

the massive huge point which has gone over your head. ALICE was the one doing all the complaining. Natalie wasnt the ungrateful one.

Of course Natalie is better off than your average Ethiopean but that is a completely unreasonable reference group to use. Natalie and Alice both carry British passports and fall under the jurisdiction of the British government. In theory both are guaranteed equal opportunities in Britain and the EU by law. Yet somehow one has ended up at the top and the other at the bottom of this food chain. Alice leads a life of luxury relative to the average Briton whereas Natalie leads one of privation. That can be the only meaningful comparison here.

she won't regret anything because she's got so much money, if i was in her position but i wouldn't be as arrogant as her

I said nothing about the consequences of the street - I was talking about the boundary you used to decide between them which is most certainly arbitrary.

I lold.

lol too many parvenus? ok, do u believe in superiority of the aristocrats then? and not the new rich?

I lold at how much your profile pic reminded me of steven hawking.

Ugh, the rich girl is so amazingly ignorant - it's hard to believe that her parents paid for her education and yet she cannot even exercise thought, or take into account that what she says may have consequenses. She really needs a good walloping, not only for sh***ing on pretty much everyone with her stuck up and plain old stupid attitude, but also for ruining all that people from private schools have done to eradicate thier 'im in an ignorant bubble of me and money and cash and me' stereotype.

The poor kid was living in bad circumstances, however I felt that she was using them as an excuse for her behaviour and the state of her life a little too much - yes, you're poor and you did badly in your GCSE's, but that's really no excuse to not try and do something about it - a part time college course, part time job.... (these were unemntioned, however I feel that if she were doing these things we would have probably been told).

So if this program had focused on the richest person in Britain compared to the poorest person in North Korea then you would have not applied the same standards to that pair of people as you do to this pair? It doesn't matter where they are from - it's the principle that you are suggesting that is what I'm contending. Presumably you would think the same thing if you were French or Russian or American or Botswanan and there was a program aired in those countries based on the same scenario.

Natalie might well be grateful that she is richer than many Africans, but she lives in a country that could in theory offer her so much more yet has for whatever reasons failed to do so. That is the salient point.

obviously rich people have better upbringings, and can be educated to speak nicely and talk about interesting things. im not asking if you would prefer being rich than poor. i was asking if you believe in superiority of wealthy people, which you obviously do but are too much of a pussy to say it 4 some reason, if you really dont give a **** admit you're a snob and we can 4get about trying to show you how outdated your ideas are

LOL. Is someone a little annoyed that other people refuse to accept their reverse classism?

You are too deluded to be true.

Class isnt the issue, not everyone is out to get the rich you know. Im happy for them to have their money and Id probably vote conservative to be honest. I just ask they have an iota of decency.

I accept that, but the two are unconnected. I'm not criticising her - I don't believe I have done that. I certainly couldn't manage in her position. I'm criticising the way in which you and the people who agree with you conduct your philanthropy.

dont be such a simple plebian, as the programme demonstrated, money is as much a product of cricumstance as it is hard work, they should be grateful they had the foot up in life they did. Not everything is about working hard and getting rewards, do you honestly think if Natalie and Alice put in the same amount of effort in something they'd reap the same rewards.