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Britain - The Death Squad State
June 21, 2002
Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied
THERE is an unanswerable case for a full judicial inquiry into allegations that elements within the
security forces collaborated with loyalist hit men in the murder of Catholic lawyer Pat Finucane.
Irresistible evidence points to a deadly form of collusion between the RUC special branch and
loyalist death squads behind the assassination.
Dramatic claims screened by the BBC portraying a high level of co-operation between British
intelligence officers and UDA gunmen indicate a policy of institutional murder by the State. The
programme has confirmed people's worst fears about collaboration between the British army, the
police and loyalist killers.
Despite Prime Minister Tony Blair's stated determination to get to the bottom of these allegations,
it would be naive to expect an early inquiry. Britain's stubborn refusal to revisit the Bloody
Sunday massacre 25 years ago, in which the army's role was whitewashed by the discredited Widgery
Tribunal, was a graphic illustration of the arrogance of an administration long accustomed to
stonewalling in the face of irrefutable evidence.
http://www.examiner.ie/nuapublish/np/NP/WPBTool/WPBWebPageH/opinion/Full_Story?did=sgKXU{}2X0Euk
Poussière des rêves
Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied
THERE is an unanswerable case for a full judicial inquiry into allegations that elements within the
security forces collaborated with loyalist hit men in the murder of Catholic lawyer Pat Finucane.
Irresistible evidence points to a deadly form of collusion between the RUC special branch and
loyalist death squads behind the assassination.
Dramatic claims screened by the BBC portraying a high level of co-operation between British
intelligence officers and UDA gunmen indicate a policy of institutional murder by the State. The
programme has confirmed people's worst fears about collaboration between the British army, the
police and loyalist killers.
Despite Prime Minister Tony Blair's stated determination to get to the bottom of these allegations,
it would be naive to expect an early inquiry. Britain's stubborn refusal to revisit the Bloody
Sunday massacre 25 years ago, in which the army's role was whitewashed by the discredited Widgery
Tribunal, was a graphic illustration of the arrogance of an administration long accustomed to
stonewalling in the face of irrefutable evidence.
http://www.examiner.ie/nuapublish/np/NP/WPBTool/WPBWebPageH/opinion/Full_Story?did=sgKXU{}2X0Euk
Poussière des rêves
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"Poussière des rêves" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
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[q1]> June 21, 2002[/q1]
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[q1]> Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> THERE is an unanswerable case for a full judicial inquiry into allegations that elements within[/q1]
[q1]> the security forces collaborated with loyalist hit men in the murder of Catholic lawyer Pat[/q1]
[q1]> Finucane. Irresistible evidence points to a deadly form of collusion between the RUC special[/q1]
[q1]> branch and loyalist death squads behind the assassination.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Dramatic claims screened by the BBC portraying a high level of co-operation between British[/q1]
[q1]> intelligence officers and UDA gunmen indicate a policy of institutional murder by the State. The[/q1]
[q1]> programme has confirmed people's worst fears about collaboration between the British army, the[/q1]
[q1]> police and loyalist killers.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Despite Prime Minister Tony Blair's stated determination to get to the bottom of these[/q1]
[q1]> allegations, it would be naive to expect an early inquiry. Britain's stubborn refusal to revisit[/q1]
[q1]> the Bloody Sunday massacre 25 years ago, in which the army's role was whitewashed by the[/q1]
[q1]> discredited Widgery Tribunal, was a graphic illustration of the arrogance of an administration[/q1]
[q1]> long accustomed to stonewalling in the face of irrefutable evidence.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
http://www.examiner.ie/nuapublish/np/NP/WPBTool/WPBWebPageH/opinion/Full_Sto ry?did=sgKXU{}2X0Euk
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Poussière des rêves[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
Will you also be detailing the collaboration of Loyalist and IRA death squads who undertook to carry
out murders of each others internal enemies and competitors? How about the IRA death squads who
murdered the innocent civilians near Harrods or the young boy killed in Warrington? I am sure that
they were all legitimate targets since they were threats to the establishement of a marxist Irish
State under Sinn Fein.
Will you also be documenting and publicising the acts of violence that the IRA have undertakn to
ensure that 'honest' criminals cannot get a foothold in those areas where the IRA are busy selling
drugs including heroin and cocaine/
The troubles in Northern Ireland have been a tragedy and both sides have undertaken to kill and
injure the innocent as well as the active participants in each of the para miltary groups. It does
not help the process of peace when people such as you decide to over emphasise the crimes of one
side against those of the other. Both sides are as guilty as the other and it is the decent people
of Northern Ireland who have suffered most.
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> June 21, 2002[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> THERE is an unanswerable case for a full judicial inquiry into allegations that elements within[/q1]
[q1]> the security forces collaborated with loyalist hit men in the murder of Catholic lawyer Pat[/q1]
[q1]> Finucane. Irresistible evidence points to a deadly form of collusion between the RUC special[/q1]
[q1]> branch and loyalist death squads behind the assassination.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Dramatic claims screened by the BBC portraying a high level of co-operation between British[/q1]
[q1]> intelligence officers and UDA gunmen indicate a policy of institutional murder by the State. The[/q1]
[q1]> programme has confirmed people's worst fears about collaboration between the British army, the[/q1]
[q1]> police and loyalist killers.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Despite Prime Minister Tony Blair's stated determination to get to the bottom of these[/q1]
[q1]> allegations, it would be naive to expect an early inquiry. Britain's stubborn refusal to revisit[/q1]
[q1]> the Bloody Sunday massacre 25 years ago, in which the army's role was whitewashed by the[/q1]
[q1]> discredited Widgery Tribunal, was a graphic illustration of the arrogance of an administration[/q1]
[q1]> long accustomed to stonewalling in the face of irrefutable evidence.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
http://www.examiner.ie/nuapublish/np/NP/WPBTool/WPBWebPageH/opinion/Full_Sto ry?did=sgKXU{}2X0Euk
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Poussière des rêves[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
Will you also be detailing the collaboration of Loyalist and IRA death squads who undertook to carry
out murders of each others internal enemies and competitors? How about the IRA death squads who
murdered the innocent civilians near Harrods or the young boy killed in Warrington? I am sure that
they were all legitimate targets since they were threats to the establishement of a marxist Irish
State under Sinn Fein.
Will you also be documenting and publicising the acts of violence that the IRA have undertakn to
ensure that 'honest' criminals cannot get a foothold in those areas where the IRA are busy selling
drugs including heroin and cocaine/
The troubles in Northern Ireland have been a tragedy and both sides have undertaken to kill and
injure the innocent as well as the active participants in each of the para miltary groups. It does
not help the process of peace when people such as you decide to over emphasise the crimes of one
side against those of the other. Both sides are as guilty as the other and it is the decent people
of Northern Ireland who have suffered most.
In article <[email protected]>, "bluey" says...
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>"Poussière des rêves" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...[/q1]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> June 21, 2002[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> THERE is an unanswerable case for a full judicial inquiry into allegations that elements within[/q2]
[q2]>> the security forces collaborated with loyalist hit men in the murder of Catholic lawyer Pat[/q2]
[q2]>> Finucane. Irresistible evidence points to a deadly form of collusion between the RUC special[/q2]
[q2]>> branch and loyalist death squads behind the assassination.[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> Dramatic claims screened by the BBC portraying a high level of co-operation between British[/q2]
[q2]>> intelligence officers and UDA gunmen indicate a policy of institutional murder by the State. The[/q2]
[q2]>> programme has confirmed people's worst fears about collaboration between the British army, the[/q2]
[q2]>> police and loyalist killers.[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> Despite Prime Minister Tony Blair's stated determination to get to the bottom of these[/q2]
[q2]>> allegations, it would be naive to expect an early inquiry. Britain's stubborn refusal to revisit[/q2]
[q2]>> the Bloody Sunday massacre 25 years ago, in which the army's role was whitewashed by the[/q2]
[q2]>> discredited Widgery Tribunal, was a graphic illustration of the arrogance of an administration[/q2]
[q2]>> long accustomed to stonewalling in the face of irrefutable evidence.[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q1]>http://www.examiner.ie/nuapublish/np/NP/WPBTool/WPBWebPageH/opinion/Full_Sto ry?did=sgKXU{}2X0Euk[/q1]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> Poussière des rêves[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q1]>Will you also be detailing the collaboration of Loyalist and IRA death squads who undertook to[/q1]
[q1]>carry out murders of each others internal enemies and competitors? How about the IRA death squads[/q1]
[q1]>who murdered the innocent civilians near Harrods or the young boy killed in Warrington? I am sure[/q1]
[q1]>that they were all legitimate targets since they were threats to the establishement of a marxist[/q1]
[q1]>Irish State under Sinn Fein.[/q1]
Are you comparing what the IRA did with a campaign of mass murder which was directed by the British
authorities against innocent Catholics, lawyers, human rights advocates, college lecturers and
politicians? If you are then it is an interesting position to adopt.
The British armed the loyalists, they also recruited over one thousand members of the UVF and UDA
into their regular army. The annual average for British civilian deaths in Great Britain over the
duration of the war would be about two per annum. That would include politicians and judges.
Cadiz
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>"Poussière des rêves" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...[/q1]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> June 21, 2002[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> THERE is an unanswerable case for a full judicial inquiry into allegations that elements within[/q2]
[q2]>> the security forces collaborated with loyalist hit men in the murder of Catholic lawyer Pat[/q2]
[q2]>> Finucane. Irresistible evidence points to a deadly form of collusion between the RUC special[/q2]
[q2]>> branch and loyalist death squads behind the assassination.[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> Dramatic claims screened by the BBC portraying a high level of co-operation between British[/q2]
[q2]>> intelligence officers and UDA gunmen indicate a policy of institutional murder by the State. The[/q2]
[q2]>> programme has confirmed people's worst fears about collaboration between the British army, the[/q2]
[q2]>> police and loyalist killers.[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> Despite Prime Minister Tony Blair's stated determination to get to the bottom of these[/q2]
[q2]>> allegations, it would be naive to expect an early inquiry. Britain's stubborn refusal to revisit[/q2]
[q2]>> the Bloody Sunday massacre 25 years ago, in which the army's role was whitewashed by the[/q2]
[q2]>> discredited Widgery Tribunal, was a graphic illustration of the arrogance of an administration[/q2]
[q2]>> long accustomed to stonewalling in the face of irrefutable evidence.[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q1]>http://www.examiner.ie/nuapublish/np/NP/WPBTool/WPBWebPageH/opinion/Full_Sto ry?did=sgKXU{}2X0Euk[/q1]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> Poussière des rêves[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q1]>Will you also be detailing the collaboration of Loyalist and IRA death squads who undertook to[/q1]
[q1]>carry out murders of each others internal enemies and competitors? How about the IRA death squads[/q1]
[q1]>who murdered the innocent civilians near Harrods or the young boy killed in Warrington? I am sure[/q1]
[q1]>that they were all legitimate targets since they were threats to the establishement of a marxist[/q1]
[q1]>Irish State under Sinn Fein.[/q1]
Are you comparing what the IRA did with a campaign of mass murder which was directed by the British
authorities against innocent Catholics, lawyers, human rights advocates, college lecturers and
politicians? If you are then it is an interesting position to adopt.
The British armed the loyalists, they also recruited over one thousand members of the UVF and UDA
into their regular army. The annual average for British civilian deaths in Great Britain over the
duration of the war would be about two per annum. That would include politicians and judges.
Cadiz
Cadiz <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
[q1]> In article <[email protected]>, "bluey" says...[/q1]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >"Poussière des rêves" <[email protected]> wrote in message[/q2]
[q2]> >news:[email protected]...[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >> June 21, 2002[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >> Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >> THERE is an unanswerable case for a full judicial inquiry into allegations that elements within[/q2]
[q2]> >> the security forces collaborated with loyalist hit men in the murder of Catholic lawyer Pat[/q2]
[q2]> >> Finucane. Irresistible evidence points to a deadly form of collusion between the RUC special[/q2]
[q2]> >> branch and loyalist death squads behind the assassination.[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >> Dramatic claims screened by the BBC portraying a high level of co-operation between British[/q2]
[q2]> >> intelligence officers and UDA gunmen indicate a policy of institutional murder by the State.[/q2]
[q2]> >> The programme has confirmed people's worst fears about collaboration between the British army,[/q2]
[q2]> >> the police and loyalist killers.[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >> Despite Prime Minister Tony Blair's stated determination to get to the bottom of these[/q2]
[q2]> >> allegations, it would be naive to expect an early inquiry. Britain's stubborn refusal to[/q2]
[q2]> >> revisit the Bloody Sunday massacre 25 years ago, in which the army's role was whitewashed by[/q2]
[q2]> >> the discredited Widgery Tribunal, was a graphic illustration of the arrogance of an[/q2]
[q2]> >> administration long accustomed to stonewalling in the face of irrefutable evidence.[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>http://www.examiner.ie/nuapublish/np/NP/WPBTool/WPBWebPageH/opinion/Full_St[/q1]
o
[q2]> >ry?did=sgKXU{}2X0Euk[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >> Poussière des rêves[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >Will you also be detailing the collaboration of Loyalist and IRA death squads who undertook to[/q2]
[q2]> >carry out murders of each others internal enemies and competitors? How about the IRA death squads[/q2]
[q2]> >who murdered the[/q2]
innocent
[q2]> >civilians near Harrods or the young boy killed in Warrington? I am sure that they were all[/q2]
[q2]> >legitimate targets since they were threats to the establishement of a marxist Irish State under[/q2]
[q2]> >Sinn Fein.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Are you comparing what the IRA did with a campaign of mass murder which[/q1]
was
[q1]> directed by the British authorities against innocent Catholics, lawyers,[/q1]
human
[q1]> rights advocates, college lecturers and politicians? If you are then it is[/q1]
an
[q1]> interesting position to adopt.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> The British armed the loyalists, they also recruited over one thousand[/q1]
members
[q1]> of the UVF and UDA into their regular army. The annual average for British civilian deaths in[/q1]
[q1]> Great Britain over the duration of the war would be[/q1]
about two
[q1]> per annum. That would include politicians and judges.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Cadiz[/q1]
[q1]> In article <[email protected]>, "bluey" says...[/q1]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >"Poussière des rêves" <[email protected]> wrote in message[/q2]
[q2]> >news:[email protected]...[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >> June 21, 2002[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >> Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >> THERE is an unanswerable case for a full judicial inquiry into allegations that elements within[/q2]
[q2]> >> the security forces collaborated with loyalist hit men in the murder of Catholic lawyer Pat[/q2]
[q2]> >> Finucane. Irresistible evidence points to a deadly form of collusion between the RUC special[/q2]
[q2]> >> branch and loyalist death squads behind the assassination.[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >> Dramatic claims screened by the BBC portraying a high level of co-operation between British[/q2]
[q2]> >> intelligence officers and UDA gunmen indicate a policy of institutional murder by the State.[/q2]
[q2]> >> The programme has confirmed people's worst fears about collaboration between the British army,[/q2]
[q2]> >> the police and loyalist killers.[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >> Despite Prime Minister Tony Blair's stated determination to get to the bottom of these[/q2]
[q2]> >> allegations, it would be naive to expect an early inquiry. Britain's stubborn refusal to[/q2]
[q2]> >> revisit the Bloody Sunday massacre 25 years ago, in which the army's role was whitewashed by[/q2]
[q2]> >> the discredited Widgery Tribunal, was a graphic illustration of the arrogance of an[/q2]
[q2]> >> administration long accustomed to stonewalling in the face of irrefutable evidence.[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>http://www.examiner.ie/nuapublish/np/NP/WPBTool/WPBWebPageH/opinion/Full_St[/q1]
o
[q2]> >ry?did=sgKXU{}2X0Euk[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >> Poussière des rêves[/q2]
[q2]> >>[/q2]
[q2]> >Will you also be detailing the collaboration of Loyalist and IRA death squads who undertook to[/q2]
[q2]> >carry out murders of each others internal enemies and competitors? How about the IRA death squads[/q2]
[q2]> >who murdered the[/q2]
innocent
[q2]> >civilians near Harrods or the young boy killed in Warrington? I am sure that they were all[/q2]
[q2]> >legitimate targets since they were threats to the establishement of a marxist Irish State under[/q2]
[q2]> >Sinn Fein.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Are you comparing what the IRA did with a campaign of mass murder which[/q1]
was
[q1]> directed by the British authorities against innocent Catholics, lawyers,[/q1]
human
[q1]> rights advocates, college lecturers and politicians? If you are then it is[/q1]
an
[q1]> interesting position to adopt.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> The British armed the loyalists, they also recruited over one thousand[/q1]
members
[q1]> of the UVF and UDA into their regular army. The annual average for British civilian deaths in[/q1]
[q1]> Great Britain over the duration of the war would be[/q1]
about two
[q1]> per annum. That would include politicians and judges.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Cadiz[/q1]
On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:45:52 +0000 (UTC), "bluey" <[email protected]> wrote:
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>"Poussière des rêves" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...[/q1]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> June 21, 2002[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied[/q2]
[q1]>Will you also be detailing the collaboration of Loyalist and IRA death squads who undertook to[/q1]
[q1]>carry out murders of each others internal enemies and competitors? How about the IRA death squads[/q1]
[q1]>who murdered the innocent civilians near Harrods or the young boy killed in Warrington? I am sure[/q1]
[q1]>that they were all legitimate targets since they were threats to the establishement of a marxist[/q1]
[q1]>Irish State under Sinn Fein.[/q1]
Or the IRA members training terrorists in Colombia. FARC have been responsible for the murder and
kidnapping of hundreds of innocent civilains in South America in recent months and what do the brave
IRA do? Give the buggers training.
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>"Poussière des rêves" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...[/q1]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> June 21, 2002[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>> Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied[/q2]
[q1]>Will you also be detailing the collaboration of Loyalist and IRA death squads who undertook to[/q1]
[q1]>carry out murders of each others internal enemies and competitors? How about the IRA death squads[/q1]
[q1]>who murdered the innocent civilians near Harrods or the young boy killed in Warrington? I am sure[/q1]
[q1]>that they were all legitimate targets since they were threats to the establishement of a marxist[/q1]
[q1]>Irish State under Sinn Fein.[/q1]
Or the IRA members training terrorists in Colombia. FARC have been responsible for the murder and
kidnapping of hundreds of innocent civilains in South America in recent months and what do the brave
IRA do? Give the buggers training.
bluey wrote:
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> "Poussière des rêves" <[email protected]> wrote in message[/q1]
[q1]> news:[email protected]...[/q1]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > June 21, 2002[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > THERE is an unanswerable case for a full judicial inquiry into allegations that elements within[/q2]
[q2]> > the security forces collaborated with loyalist hit men in the murder of Catholic lawyer Pat[/q2]
[q2]> > Finucane. Irresistible evidence points to a deadly form of collusion between the RUC special[/q2]
[q2]> > branch and loyalist death squads behind the assassination.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Dramatic claims screened by the BBC portraying a high level of co-operation between British[/q2]
[q2]> > intelligence officers and UDA gunmen indicate a policy of institutional murder by the State. The[/q2]
[q2]> > programme has confirmed people's worst fears about collaboration between the British army, the[/q2]
[q2]> > police and loyalist killers.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Despite Prime Minister Tony Blair's stated determination to get to the bottom of these[/q2]
[q2]> > allegations, it would be naive to expect an early inquiry. Britain's stubborn refusal to revisit[/q2]
[q2]> > the Bloody Sunday massacre 25 years ago, in which the army's role was whitewashed by the[/q2]
[q2]> > discredited Widgery Tribunal, was a graphic illustration of the arrogance of an administration[/q2]
[q2]> > long accustomed to stonewalling in the face of irrefutable evidence.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q1]> http://www.examiner.ie/nuapublish/np/NP/WPBTool/WPBWebPageH/opinion/Full_Sto ry?did=sgKXU{}2X0Euk[/q1]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Poussière des rêves[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q1]> Will you also be detailing the collaboration of Loyalist and IRA death squads who undertook to[/q1]
[q1]> carry out murders of each others internal enemies and competitors? How about the IRA death squads[/q1]
[q1]> who murdered the innocent civilians near Harrods or the young boy killed in Warrington? I am sure[/q1]
[q1]> that they were all legitimate targets since they were threats to the establishement of a marxist[/q1]
[q1]> Irish State under Sinn Fein.[/q1]
A much better comparison would be the US Government or the FBI directly tasking the Ku Klux Klan
to murder Blacks and human rights advocates with the FBI having an agent in place doing the
logistics, targeting and administration for the Ku Klux Klan. The UDA has very similar politics to
the Ku Klux Klan.
Gregory
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> "Poussière des rêves" <[email protected]> wrote in message[/q1]
[q1]> news:[email protected]...[/q1]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > June 21, 2002[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > THERE is an unanswerable case for a full judicial inquiry into allegations that elements within[/q2]
[q2]> > the security forces collaborated with loyalist hit men in the murder of Catholic lawyer Pat[/q2]
[q2]> > Finucane. Irresistible evidence points to a deadly form of collusion between the RUC special[/q2]
[q2]> > branch and loyalist death squads behind the assassination.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Dramatic claims screened by the BBC portraying a high level of co-operation between British[/q2]
[q2]> > intelligence officers and UDA gunmen indicate a policy of institutional murder by the State. The[/q2]
[q2]> > programme has confirmed people's worst fears about collaboration between the British army, the[/q2]
[q2]> > police and loyalist killers.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Despite Prime Minister Tony Blair's stated determination to get to the bottom of these[/q2]
[q2]> > allegations, it would be naive to expect an early inquiry. Britain's stubborn refusal to revisit[/q2]
[q2]> > the Bloody Sunday massacre 25 years ago, in which the army's role was whitewashed by the[/q2]
[q2]> > discredited Widgery Tribunal, was a graphic illustration of the arrogance of an administration[/q2]
[q2]> > long accustomed to stonewalling in the face of irrefutable evidence.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q1]> http://www.examiner.ie/nuapublish/np/NP/WPBTool/WPBWebPageH/opinion/Full_Sto ry?did=sgKXU{}2X0Euk[/q1]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Poussière des rêves[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q1]> Will you also be detailing the collaboration of Loyalist and IRA death squads who undertook to[/q1]
[q1]> carry out murders of each others internal enemies and competitors? How about the IRA death squads[/q1]
[q1]> who murdered the innocent civilians near Harrods or the young boy killed in Warrington? I am sure[/q1]
[q1]> that they were all legitimate targets since they were threats to the establishement of a marxist[/q1]
[q1]> Irish State under Sinn Fein.[/q1]
A much better comparison would be the US Government or the FBI directly tasking the Ku Klux Klan
to murder Blacks and human rights advocates with the FBI having an agent in place doing the
logistics, targeting and administration for the Ku Klux Klan. The UDA has very similar politics to
the Ku Klux Klan.
Gregory
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>Or the IRA members training terrorists in Colombia. FARC have been responsible for the murder and[/q1]
[q1]>kidnapping of hundreds of innocent civilains in South America in recent months and what do the[/q1]
[q1]>brave IRA do? Give the buggers training.[/q1]
No court in the USA, Colombia or Britain has found that any IRA people were in Colombia or helping
FARC. A claim needs to have some basis in fact. Who sent those peple there? It wasn't the IRA Army
Council, even the British media have conceded as much.
If the Colombians had evidence of such a state of affairs they would have brought it to Washington
DC when they were asking for a half a billion 'war against terrorism' dollar subsidy.
Re: Britain - The Death Squad State
The British for their part were surely taking a lesson from the Colombian template on the one hand
and from the Robert Mugabe formula on the other,
Britain's claims to be a civilized country are sounding increasingly hollow. They were in the death
squad, virulent racism, and mass murder business.
Premier Tony Blair taking cash from the publisher of 'Spunk Loving Spunks' is merely one of many
worms crawling out of that can.
The British were murdering their own citizens as a matter of official policy. The FRU security
agency were directing death squads, they were in charge of the targeting. Human rights advocates and
lawyers and ordinary Catholics were murdered.
Cadiz
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>Or the IRA members training terrorists in Colombia. FARC have been responsible for the murder and[/q1]
[q1]>kidnapping of hundreds of innocent civilains in South America in recent months and what do the[/q1]
[q1]>brave IRA do? Give the buggers training.[/q1]
No court in the USA, Colombia or Britain has found that any IRA people were in Colombia or helping
FARC. A claim needs to have some basis in fact. Who sent those peple there? It wasn't the IRA Army
Council, even the British media have conceded as much.
If the Colombians had evidence of such a state of affairs they would have brought it to Washington
DC when they were asking for a half a billion 'war against terrorism' dollar subsidy.
Re: Britain - The Death Squad State
The British for their part were surely taking a lesson from the Colombian template on the one hand
and from the Robert Mugabe formula on the other,
Britain's claims to be a civilized country are sounding increasingly hollow. They were in the death
squad, virulent racism, and mass murder business.
Premier Tony Blair taking cash from the publisher of 'Spunk Loving Spunks' is merely one of many
worms crawling out of that can.
The British were murdering their own citizens as a matter of official policy. The FRU security
agency were directing death squads, they were in charge of the targeting. Human rights advocates and
lawyers and ordinary Catholics were murdered.
Cadiz
<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> bluey wrote:[/q1]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > "Poussière des rêves" <[email protected]> wrote in message[/q2]
[q2]> > news:[email protected]...[/q2]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > June 21, 2002[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > THERE is an unanswerable case for a full judicial inquiry into allegations that elements[/q3]
[q3]> > > within the security forces collaborated with loyalist hit men in the murder of Catholic lawyer[/q3]
[q3]> > > Pat Finucane. Irresistible evidence points to a deadly form of collusion between the RUC[/q3]
[q3]> > > special branch and loyalist death squads behind the assassination.[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > Dramatic claims screened by the BBC portraying a high level of co-operation between British[/q3]
[q3]> > > intelligence officers and UDA gunmen indicate a policy of institutional murder by the State.[/q3]
[q3]> > > The programme has confirmed people's worst fears about collaboration between the British army,[/q3]
[q3]> > > the police and loyalist killers.[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > Despite Prime Minister Tony Blair's stated determination to get to the bottom of these[/q3]
[q3]> > > allegations, it would be naive to expect an early inquiry. Britain's stubborn refusal to[/q3]
[q3]> > > revisit the Bloody Sunday massacre 25 years ago, in which the army's role was whitewashed by[/q3]
[q3]> > > the discredited Widgery Tribunal, was a graphic illustration of the arrogance of an[/q3]
[q3]> > > administration long accustomed to stonewalling in the face of irrefutable evidence.[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q2]> >[/q2]
http://www.examiner.ie/nuapublish/np/NP/WPBTool/WPBWebPageH/opinion/Full_Sto
[q2]> > ry?did=sgKXU{}2X0Euk[/q2]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > Poussière des rêves[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q2]> > Will you also be detailing the collaboration of Loyalist and IRA death squads who undertook to[/q2]
[q2]> > carry out murders of each others internal[/q2]
enemies
[q2]> > and competitors? How about the IRA death squads who murdered the[/q2]
innocent
[q2]> > civilians near Harrods or the young boy killed in Warrington? I am sure that they were all[/q2]
[q2]> > legitimate targets since they were threats to the establishement of a marxist Irish State under[/q2]
[q2]> > Sinn Fein.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> A much better comparison would be the US Government or the FBI directly tasking the Ku Klux Klan[/q1]
[q1]> to murder Blacks and human rights advocates with the FBI having an agent in place doing the[/q1]
[q1]> logistics, targeting and administration for the Ku Klux Klan. The UDA has very similar politics to[/q1]
[q1]> the Ku Klux Klan.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Gregory[/q1]
Answer his question you non-com trouble maker. How about Warrington? - 'valid' targets, I imagine.
You have no credibility because of your inability to admit anything evil happened on your side of
this struggle and because you are , ultimately interested only in fanning the flames of hate in
order to re-ignite the conflict. You're disgrace to the true statesmen on the Republican side like
Gerry Adams. What do your arguments contribute to the peace process? Answer the question. John
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> bluey wrote:[/q1]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > "Poussière des rêves" <[email protected]> wrote in message[/q2]
[q2]> > news:[email protected]...[/q2]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > June 21, 2002[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > THERE is an unanswerable case for a full judicial inquiry into allegations that elements[/q3]
[q3]> > > within the security forces collaborated with loyalist hit men in the murder of Catholic lawyer[/q3]
[q3]> > > Pat Finucane. Irresistible evidence points to a deadly form of collusion between the RUC[/q3]
[q3]> > > special branch and loyalist death squads behind the assassination.[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > Dramatic claims screened by the BBC portraying a high level of co-operation between British[/q3]
[q3]> > > intelligence officers and UDA gunmen indicate a policy of institutional murder by the State.[/q3]
[q3]> > > The programme has confirmed people's worst fears about collaboration between the British army,[/q3]
[q3]> > > the police and loyalist killers.[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > Despite Prime Minister Tony Blair's stated determination to get to the bottom of these[/q3]
[q3]> > > allegations, it would be naive to expect an early inquiry. Britain's stubborn refusal to[/q3]
[q3]> > > revisit the Bloody Sunday massacre 25 years ago, in which the army's role was whitewashed by[/q3]
[q3]> > > the discredited Widgery Tribunal, was a graphic illustration of the arrogance of an[/q3]
[q3]> > > administration long accustomed to stonewalling in the face of irrefutable evidence.[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q2]> >[/q2]
http://www.examiner.ie/nuapublish/np/NP/WPBTool/WPBWebPageH/opinion/Full_Sto
[q2]> > ry?did=sgKXU{}2X0Euk[/q2]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > Poussière des rêves[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q2]> > Will you also be detailing the collaboration of Loyalist and IRA death squads who undertook to[/q2]
[q2]> > carry out murders of each others internal[/q2]
enemies
[q2]> > and competitors? How about the IRA death squads who murdered the[/q2]
innocent
[q2]> > civilians near Harrods or the young boy killed in Warrington? I am sure that they were all[/q2]
[q2]> > legitimate targets since they were threats to the establishement of a marxist Irish State under[/q2]
[q2]> > Sinn Fein.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> A much better comparison would be the US Government or the FBI directly tasking the Ku Klux Klan[/q1]
[q1]> to murder Blacks and human rights advocates with the FBI having an agent in place doing the[/q1]
[q1]> logistics, targeting and administration for the Ku Klux Klan. The UDA has very similar politics to[/q1]
[q1]> the Ku Klux Klan.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Gregory[/q1]
Answer his question you non-com trouble maker. How about Warrington? - 'valid' targets, I imagine.
You have no credibility because of your inability to admit anything evil happened on your side of
this struggle and because you are , ultimately interested only in fanning the flames of hate in
order to re-ignite the conflict. You're disgrace to the true statesmen on the Republican side like
Gerry Adams. What do your arguments contribute to the peace process? Answer the question. John
Cadiz <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
[q1]> In article <[email protected]>,[/q1]
[email protected]
[q1]> says...[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >Or the IRA members training terrorists in Colombia. FARC have been responsible for the murder and[/q2]
[q2]> >kidnapping of hundreds of innocent civilains in South America in recent months and what do the[/q2]
[q2]> >brave IRA do? Give the buggers training.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> No court in the USA, Colombia or Britain has found that any IRA people[/q1]
were in
[q1]> Colombia or helping FARC. A claim needs to have some basis in fact. Who[/q1]
sent
[q1]> those peple there? It wasn't the IRA Army Council, even the British media[/q1]
have
[q1]> conceded as much.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> If the Colombians had evidence of such a state of affairs they would have brought it to Washington[/q1]
[q1]> DC when they were asking for a half a billion[/q1]
'war
[q1]> against terrorism' dollar subsidy.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Re: Britain - The Death Squad State[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> The British for their part were surely taking a lesson from the Colombian template on the one hand[/q1]
[q1]> and from the Robert Mugabe formula on the other,[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Britain's claims to be a civilized country are sounding increasingly[/q1]
hollow.
[q1]> They were in the death squad, virulent racism, and mass murder business.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Premier Tony Blair taking cash from the publisher of 'Spunk Loving Spunks'[/q1]
is
[q1]> merely one of many worms crawling out of that can.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> The British were murdering their own citizens as a matter of official[/q1]
policy.
[q1]> The FRU security agency were directing death squads, they were in charge[/q1]
of the
[q1]> targeting. Human rights advocates and lawyers and ordinary Catholics were murdered.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Cadiz[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
Your position would have more credibility if you accepted atrocities on the PIRA side as
well. Will you?
Ultimately what does it matter how we forced you to the ballot box?
Every electoral advance for Gerry Adams is further evidence of the defeat of the PIRA in their
military aims. John
[q1]> In article <[email protected]>,[/q1]
[email protected]
[q1]> says...[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >Or the IRA members training terrorists in Colombia. FARC have been responsible for the murder and[/q2]
[q2]> >kidnapping of hundreds of innocent civilains in South America in recent months and what do the[/q2]
[q2]> >brave IRA do? Give the buggers training.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> No court in the USA, Colombia or Britain has found that any IRA people[/q1]
were in
[q1]> Colombia or helping FARC. A claim needs to have some basis in fact. Who[/q1]
sent
[q1]> those peple there? It wasn't the IRA Army Council, even the British media[/q1]
have
[q1]> conceded as much.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> If the Colombians had evidence of such a state of affairs they would have brought it to Washington[/q1]
[q1]> DC when they were asking for a half a billion[/q1]
'war
[q1]> against terrorism' dollar subsidy.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Re: Britain - The Death Squad State[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> The British for their part were surely taking a lesson from the Colombian template on the one hand[/q1]
[q1]> and from the Robert Mugabe formula on the other,[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Britain's claims to be a civilized country are sounding increasingly[/q1]
hollow.
[q1]> They were in the death squad, virulent racism, and mass murder business.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Premier Tony Blair taking cash from the publisher of 'Spunk Loving Spunks'[/q1]
is
[q1]> merely one of many worms crawling out of that can.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> The British were murdering their own citizens as a matter of official[/q1]
policy.
[q1]> The FRU security agency were directing death squads, they were in charge[/q1]
of the
[q1]> targeting. Human rights advocates and lawyers and ordinary Catholics were murdered.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Cadiz[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
Your position would have more credibility if you accepted atrocities on the PIRA side as
well. Will you?
Ultimately what does it matter how we forced you to the ballot box?
Every electoral advance for Gerry Adams is further evidence of the defeat of the PIRA in their
military aims. John
JHP wrote:
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...[/q1]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > bluey wrote:[/q2]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > "Poussière des rêves" <[email protected]> wrote in message[/q3]
[q3]> > > news:[email protected]...[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > June 21, 2002[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > THERE is an unanswerable case for a full judicial inquiry into allegations that elements[/q3]
[q3]> > > > within the security forces collaborated with loyalist hit men in the murder of Catholic[/q3]
[q3]> > > > lawyer Pat Finucane. Irresistible evidence points to a deadly form of collusion between the[/q3]
[q3]> > > > RUC special branch and loyalist death squads behind the assassination.[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > Dramatic claims screened by the BBC portraying a high level of co-operation between British[/q3]
[q3]> > > > intelligence officers and UDA gunmen indicate a policy of institutional murder by the State.[/q3]
[q3]> > > > The programme has confirmed people's worst fears about collaboration between the British[/q3]
[q3]> > > > army, the police and loyalist killers.[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > Despite Prime Minister Tony Blair's stated determination to get to the bottom of these[/q3]
[q3]> > > > allegations, it would be naive to expect an early inquiry. Britain's stubborn refusal to[/q3]
[q3]> > > > revisit the Bloody Sunday massacre 25 years ago, in which the army's role was whitewashed by[/q3]
[q3]> > > > the discredited Widgery Tribunal, was a graphic illustration of the arrogance of an[/q3]
[q3]> > > > administration long accustomed to stonewalling in the face of irrefutable evidence.[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q1]> http://www.examiner.ie/nuapublish/np/NP/WPBTool/WPBWebPageH/opinion/Full_Sto[/q1]
[q3]> > > ry?did=sgKXU{}2X0Euk[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > Poussière des rêves[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > Will you also be detailing the collaboration of Loyalist and IRA death squads who undertook to[/q3]
[q3]> > > carry out murders of each others internal[/q3]
[q1]> enemies[/q1]
[q3]> > > and competitors? How about the IRA death squads who murdered the[/q3]
[q1]> innocent[/q1]
[q3]> > > civilians near Harrods or the young boy killed in Warrington? I am sure that they were all[/q3]
[q3]> > > legitimate targets since they were threats to the establishement of a marxist Irish State[/q3]
[q3]> > > under Sinn Fein.[/q3]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > A much better comparison would be the US Government or the FBI directly tasking the Ku Klux Klan[/q2]
[q2]> > to murder Blacks and human rights advocates with the FBI having an agent in place doing the[/q2]
[q2]> > logistics, targeting and administration for the Ku Klux Klan. The UDA has very similar politics[/q2]
[q2]> > to the Ku Klux Klan.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Gregory[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Answer his question you non-com trouble maker. How about Warrington? -[/q1]
Warrington has got absolutely nothing to do with the British government involving itself in the mass
murder of British citizens and residents of the UK, a similar exercise would be for M15 to work with
C-18 in the murder of Asians resident in Leicester. C-18 was by the way allied to the terrorists the
FRU were using. Mr. Matthew Huntbach has been giving us the 'few bad apples' garbage for years and
he was rightly roasted for his bizarre perspectives on SCI.
What we actually had according to the BBC and official documents was an entire British security
agency (the FRU) involving itself in mass murder of British citizens in the UK. In additoin the
police were lobbying for the same murders from the sidelines. The only reason it happened is because
Britain is a racist state. The British security agencies thought they could murder anybody they
liked so long as they were Irish. It is that simple and it went a lot further than anything Mugabe
has done recently against the White Farmers.
Gregory
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...[/q1]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > bluey wrote:[/q2]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > "Poussière des rêves" <[email protected]> wrote in message[/q3]
[q3]> > > news:[email protected]...[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > June 21, 2002[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > THERE is an unanswerable case for a full judicial inquiry into allegations that elements[/q3]
[q3]> > > > within the security forces collaborated with loyalist hit men in the murder of Catholic[/q3]
[q3]> > > > lawyer Pat Finucane. Irresistible evidence points to a deadly form of collusion between the[/q3]
[q3]> > > > RUC special branch and loyalist death squads behind the assassination.[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > Dramatic claims screened by the BBC portraying a high level of co-operation between British[/q3]
[q3]> > > > intelligence officers and UDA gunmen indicate a policy of institutional murder by the State.[/q3]
[q3]> > > > The programme has confirmed people's worst fears about collaboration between the British[/q3]
[q3]> > > > army, the police and loyalist killers.[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > Despite Prime Minister Tony Blair's stated determination to get to the bottom of these[/q3]
[q3]> > > > allegations, it would be naive to expect an early inquiry. Britain's stubborn refusal to[/q3]
[q3]> > > > revisit the Bloody Sunday massacre 25 years ago, in which the army's role was whitewashed by[/q3]
[q3]> > > > the discredited Widgery Tribunal, was a graphic illustration of the arrogance of an[/q3]
[q3]> > > > administration long accustomed to stonewalling in the face of irrefutable evidence.[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q1]> http://www.examiner.ie/nuapublish/np/NP/WPBTool/WPBWebPageH/opinion/Full_Sto[/q1]
[q3]> > > ry?did=sgKXU{}2X0Euk[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > Poussière des rêves[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > Will you also be detailing the collaboration of Loyalist and IRA death squads who undertook to[/q3]
[q3]> > > carry out murders of each others internal[/q3]
[q1]> enemies[/q1]
[q3]> > > and competitors? How about the IRA death squads who murdered the[/q3]
[q1]> innocent[/q1]
[q3]> > > civilians near Harrods or the young boy killed in Warrington? I am sure that they were all[/q3]
[q3]> > > legitimate targets since they were threats to the establishement of a marxist Irish State[/q3]
[q3]> > > under Sinn Fein.[/q3]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > A much better comparison would be the US Government or the FBI directly tasking the Ku Klux Klan[/q2]
[q2]> > to murder Blacks and human rights advocates with the FBI having an agent in place doing the[/q2]
[q2]> > logistics, targeting and administration for the Ku Klux Klan. The UDA has very similar politics[/q2]
[q2]> > to the Ku Klux Klan.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Gregory[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Answer his question you non-com trouble maker. How about Warrington? -[/q1]
Warrington has got absolutely nothing to do with the British government involving itself in the mass
murder of British citizens and residents of the UK, a similar exercise would be for M15 to work with
C-18 in the murder of Asians resident in Leicester. C-18 was by the way allied to the terrorists the
FRU were using. Mr. Matthew Huntbach has been giving us the 'few bad apples' garbage for years and
he was rightly roasted for his bizarre perspectives on SCI.
What we actually had according to the BBC and official documents was an entire British security
agency (the FRU) involving itself in mass murder of British citizens in the UK. In additoin the
police were lobbying for the same murders from the sidelines. The only reason it happened is because
Britain is a racist state. The British security agencies thought they could murder anybody they
liked so long as they were Irish. It is that simple and it went a lot further than anything Mugabe
has done recently against the White Farmers.
Gregory
"JHP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
[q2]> > Cadiz[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q1]> Your position would have more credibility if you accepted atrocities on the PIRA side as well.[/q1]
[q1]> Will you?[/q1]
No chance. Greig Carlin (aka Cadiz and a number of other pretentious aliases) is a brain-washed
terrorist sympathiser and as such, can see things from one side only. You may as well talk to a
brick wall. Greig deserves to be a resident of Guantanamo Bay. He'd be in good company there. He is
quick to condemn atrocities by his enemies but is never prepared to do the same when it comes to
acts of terrorism carried out by what he sees has his "side". "One man's terrorist is another man's
freedom fighter". That last statement is bollocks when it applies to a democracy which is why the
IRA is now blacklisted by the White House.
news:<[email protected]>...
[q2]> > Cadiz[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q1]> Your position would have more credibility if you accepted atrocities on the PIRA side as well.[/q1]
[q1]> Will you?[/q1]
No chance. Greig Carlin (aka Cadiz and a number of other pretentious aliases) is a brain-washed
terrorist sympathiser and as such, can see things from one side only. You may as well talk to a
brick wall. Greig deserves to be a resident of Guantanamo Bay. He'd be in good company there. He is
quick to condemn atrocities by his enemies but is never prepared to do the same when it comes to
acts of terrorism carried out by what he sees has his "side". "One man's terrorist is another man's
freedom fighter". That last statement is bollocks when it applies to a democracy which is why the
IRA is now blacklisted by the White House.
JHP ([email protected]) wrote:
[q1]> Every electoral advance for Gerry Adams is further evidence of the defeat of the PIRA in their[/q1]
[q1]> military aims.[/q1]
Unfortunately, not. It is evidence that terrorism works, so long as you can time your conversion
from terrorism to democratic politics deftly.
It means that in any other part of the world where there are community problems that could be
resolved by peaceful means, there will be those who will look at the likes of Adams and plot a path
to power - first get involved in killing and bombing, use this in order to get an image of a "strong
man" and push aside all those wimps who don't like violence, then when you've managed that, call a
halt to the violence and get additional credit as a "peacemaker".
Matthew Huntbach
[q1]> Every electoral advance for Gerry Adams is further evidence of the defeat of the PIRA in their[/q1]
[q1]> military aims.[/q1]
Unfortunately, not. It is evidence that terrorism works, so long as you can time your conversion
from terrorism to democratic politics deftly.
It means that in any other part of the world where there are community problems that could be
resolved by peaceful means, there will be those who will look at the likes of Adams and plot a path
to power - first get involved in killing and bombing, use this in order to get an image of a "strong
man" and push aside all those wimps who don't like violence, then when you've managed that, call a
halt to the violence and get additional credit as a "peacemaker".
Matthew Huntbach
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>JHP ([email protected]) wrote:[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q2]>> Every electoral advance for Gerry Adams is further evidence of the defeat of the PIRA in their[/q2]
[q2]>> military aims.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>Unfortunately, not. It is evidence that terrorism works, so long as you can time your conversion[/q1]
[q1]>from terrorism to democratic politics deftly.[/q1]
What kind of terrorism? Is terrorism and mass murder on a tax funded salary okay? The FRU 'golden
boy' tortured blind people with electricity before setting them on fire. The British unleashed a
gang of derpaved killers on innocent civilians in the United Kingdom and protected them thereafter.
The British authorities governed part of the United Kingdom by using death squads, can you name me
all the people who were arrested by the FRU and prosecuted? The exact total you are pitching for is
a big fat zero. How many UDA death squads were shot to pieces en route to a mission? That is another
joke, the UDA were allied to the British and controlled by the British.
Matthew the problem that has consistently frustrated your bizarre 'good guys and bad guys' analysis
is that you have no facts to support your version of your suureal kafkaesque fantasy. Part of the
problem of state sanctioned death squads is that policing vanished down the toilet and amateurs
moved into the feeding frenzy of atrocity.
The British at their most benign were content to take the South American despot option, they allowed
the UDA to do X and Y and Z, and without intervention or prohibitoin it amounted to mass murder by
proxy. However we now know that the British were doing much more than that, they were actually
directing and controlling the death squads.
In fact according to the Sunday People on your own side of the water the FRU were keen to protect an
IRA man responsible according to the same newspaper for 40 killings including police and soldiers.
They were very keen to keep that IRA agent alive. They were at war with the IRA, they were not at
war with their allies in the UDA.
The Force Research Unit Francisco Notarantonio, British intelligence sanctioned 1987 killing of
pensioner to protect IRA agent By Ed Moloney, Sunday Tribune Publication Date: Nov 19 2000
When the UDA moved to kill the goose laying the golden intelligence eggs the FRU arranged for an
innocent pensioner to be murdered instead. It was hardly a high point of community policing, the FRU
arranged for a huge shipment of weapons from South Africa for three gangs of lunatic sectarian
killers, how was that going to make things better?
How many innocent Catholics were shot by those guns, a hundred? The British flooded Northern Ireland
with South African weapons. They didn't give any to Catholics, they gave them to right wing
fanatics, other UDA people have conceded that as far as the FRU golden boy was concerned any
Catholic was a good target.
Cadiz
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>JHP ([email protected]) wrote:[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q2]>> Every electoral advance for Gerry Adams is further evidence of the defeat of the PIRA in their[/q2]
[q2]>> military aims.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>Unfortunately, not. It is evidence that terrorism works, so long as you can time your conversion[/q1]
[q1]>from terrorism to democratic politics deftly.[/q1]
What kind of terrorism? Is terrorism and mass murder on a tax funded salary okay? The FRU 'golden
boy' tortured blind people with electricity before setting them on fire. The British unleashed a
gang of derpaved killers on innocent civilians in the United Kingdom and protected them thereafter.
The British authorities governed part of the United Kingdom by using death squads, can you name me
all the people who were arrested by the FRU and prosecuted? The exact total you are pitching for is
a big fat zero. How many UDA death squads were shot to pieces en route to a mission? That is another
joke, the UDA were allied to the British and controlled by the British.
Matthew the problem that has consistently frustrated your bizarre 'good guys and bad guys' analysis
is that you have no facts to support your version of your suureal kafkaesque fantasy. Part of the
problem of state sanctioned death squads is that policing vanished down the toilet and amateurs
moved into the feeding frenzy of atrocity.
The British at their most benign were content to take the South American despot option, they allowed
the UDA to do X and Y and Z, and without intervention or prohibitoin it amounted to mass murder by
proxy. However we now know that the British were doing much more than that, they were actually
directing and controlling the death squads.
In fact according to the Sunday People on your own side of the water the FRU were keen to protect an
IRA man responsible according to the same newspaper for 40 killings including police and soldiers.
They were very keen to keep that IRA agent alive. They were at war with the IRA, they were not at
war with their allies in the UDA.
The Force Research Unit Francisco Notarantonio, British intelligence sanctioned 1987 killing of
pensioner to protect IRA agent By Ed Moloney, Sunday Tribune Publication Date: Nov 19 2000
When the UDA moved to kill the goose laying the golden intelligence eggs the FRU arranged for an
innocent pensioner to be murdered instead. It was hardly a high point of community policing, the FRU
arranged for a huge shipment of weapons from South Africa for three gangs of lunatic sectarian
killers, how was that going to make things better?
How many innocent Catholics were shot by those guns, a hundred? The British flooded Northern Ireland
with South African weapons. They didn't give any to Catholics, they gave them to right wing
fanatics, other UDA people have conceded that as far as the FRU golden boy was concerned any
Catholic was a good target.
Cadiz
<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> JHP wrote:[/q1]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...[/q2]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > bluey wrote:[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > "Poussière des rêves" <[email protected]> wrote in message[/q3]
[q3]> > > > news:[email protected]...[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > June 21, 2002[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > THERE is an unanswerable case for a full judicial inquiry into allegations that elements[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > within the security forces collaborated[/q3]
with
[q3]> > > > > loyalist hit men in the murder of Catholic lawyer Pat Finucane. Irresistible evidence[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > points to a deadly form of collusion between[/q3]
the
[q3]> > > > > RUC special branch and loyalist death squads behind the[/q3]
assassination.
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > Dramatic claims screened by the BBC portraying a high level of co-operation between[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > British intelligence officers and UDA gunmen indicate a policy of institutional murder by[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > the State. The[/q3]
programme
[q3]> > > > > has confirmed people's worst fears about collaboration between the British army, the[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > police and loyalist killers.[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > Despite Prime Minister Tony Blair's stated determination to get to[/q3]
the
[q3]> > > > > bottom of these allegations, it would be naive to expect an early inquiry. Britain's[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > stubborn refusal to revisit the Bloody Sunday massacre 25 years ago, in which the army's[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > role was whitewashed by[/q3]
the
[q3]> > > > > discredited Widgery Tribunal, was a graphic illustration of the arrogance of an[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > administration long accustomed to stonewalling in[/q3]
the
[q3]> > > > > face of irrefutable evidence.[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q2]> >[/q2]
http://www.examiner.ie/nuapublish/np/NP/WPBTool/WPBWebPageH/opinion/Full_Sto
[q3]> > > > ry?did=sgKXU{}2X0Euk[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > Poussière des rêves[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > Will you also be detailing the collaboration of Loyalist and IRA[/q3]
death
[q3]> > > > squads who undertook to carry out murders of each others internal[/q3]
[q2]> > enemies[/q2]
[q3]> > > > and competitors? How about the IRA death squads who murdered the[/q3]
[q2]> > innocent[/q2]
[q3]> > > > civilians near Harrods or the young boy killed in Warrington? I am[/q3]
sure
[q3]> > > > that they were all legitimate targets since they were threats to the establishement of a[/q3]
[q3]> > > > marxist Irish State under Sinn Fein.[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > A much better comparison would be the US Government or the FBI[/q3]
directly
[q3]> > > tasking the Ku Klux Klan to murder Blacks and human rights advocates with the FBI having an[/q3]
[q3]> > > agent in place doing the logistics, targeting[/q3]
and
[q3]> > > administration for the Ku Klux Klan. The UDA has very similar politics to the Ku Klux Klan.[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > Gregory[/q3]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Answer his question you non-com trouble maker. How about Warrington? -[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Warrington has got absolutely nothing to do with the British government involving itself in the[/q1]
[q1]> mass murder of British citizens and residents of the UK, a similar exercise would be for M15 to[/q1]
[q1]> work with C-18 in the murder of Asians resident in Leicester. C-18 was by the way allied to the[/q1]
[q1]> terrorists the FRU were using. Mr. Matthew Huntbach has been giving us the 'few bad apples'[/q1]
[q1]> garbage for years and he was rightly roasted for his bizarre perspectives on SCI.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> What we actually had according to the BBC and official documents was an entire British security[/q1]
[q1]> agency (the FRU) involving itself in mass murder of British citizens in the UK. In additoin the[/q1]
[q1]> police were lobbying for the same murders from the sidelines. The only reason it happened is[/q1]
[q1]> because Britain is a racist state. The British security agencies thought they could murder anybody[/q1]
[q1]> they liked so long as they were Irish. It is that simple and it went a lot further than anything[/q1]
[q1]> Mugabe has done recently against the White Farmers.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Gregory[/q1]
Accepting that your lot (for whom you have done nothin except talk) have committed atrocities has
everything to do with the credibility of your argument. You cannot just condemn one side in this.
It's not a black and white thing, except that you make it so.
I'm going to ask you a 5th time. What contribution does your argument make to the success of the
peace process? John
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> JHP wrote:[/q1]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...[/q2]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > bluey wrote:[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > "Poussière des rêves" <[email protected]> wrote in message[/q3]
[q3]> > > > news:[email protected]...[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > June 21, 2002[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > Loyalist collusion - Justice delayed is justice denied[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > THERE is an unanswerable case for a full judicial inquiry into allegations that elements[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > within the security forces collaborated[/q3]
with
[q3]> > > > > loyalist hit men in the murder of Catholic lawyer Pat Finucane. Irresistible evidence[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > points to a deadly form of collusion between[/q3]
the
[q3]> > > > > RUC special branch and loyalist death squads behind the[/q3]
assassination.
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > Dramatic claims screened by the BBC portraying a high level of co-operation between[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > British intelligence officers and UDA gunmen indicate a policy of institutional murder by[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > the State. The[/q3]
programme
[q3]> > > > > has confirmed people's worst fears about collaboration between the British army, the[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > police and loyalist killers.[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > Despite Prime Minister Tony Blair's stated determination to get to[/q3]
the
[q3]> > > > > bottom of these allegations, it would be naive to expect an early inquiry. Britain's[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > stubborn refusal to revisit the Bloody Sunday massacre 25 years ago, in which the army's[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > role was whitewashed by[/q3]
the
[q3]> > > > > discredited Widgery Tribunal, was a graphic illustration of the arrogance of an[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > administration long accustomed to stonewalling in[/q3]
the
[q3]> > > > > face of irrefutable evidence.[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > >[/q3]
[q2]> >[/q2]
http://www.examiner.ie/nuapublish/np/NP/WPBTool/WPBWebPageH/opinion/Full_Sto
[q3]> > > > ry?did=sgKXU{}2X0Euk[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > > Poussière des rêves[/q3]
[q3]> > > > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > > Will you also be detailing the collaboration of Loyalist and IRA[/q3]
death
[q3]> > > > squads who undertook to carry out murders of each others internal[/q3]
[q2]> > enemies[/q2]
[q3]> > > > and competitors? How about the IRA death squads who murdered the[/q3]
[q2]> > innocent[/q2]
[q3]> > > > civilians near Harrods or the young boy killed in Warrington? I am[/q3]
sure
[q3]> > > > that they were all legitimate targets since they were threats to the establishement of a[/q3]
[q3]> > > > marxist Irish State under Sinn Fein.[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > A much better comparison would be the US Government or the FBI[/q3]
directly
[q3]> > > tasking the Ku Klux Klan to murder Blacks and human rights advocates with the FBI having an[/q3]
[q3]> > > agent in place doing the logistics, targeting[/q3]
and
[q3]> > > administration for the Ku Klux Klan. The UDA has very similar politics to the Ku Klux Klan.[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > > Gregory[/q3]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Answer his question you non-com trouble maker. How about Warrington? -[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Warrington has got absolutely nothing to do with the British government involving itself in the[/q1]
[q1]> mass murder of British citizens and residents of the UK, a similar exercise would be for M15 to[/q1]
[q1]> work with C-18 in the murder of Asians resident in Leicester. C-18 was by the way allied to the[/q1]
[q1]> terrorists the FRU were using. Mr. Matthew Huntbach has been giving us the 'few bad apples'[/q1]
[q1]> garbage for years and he was rightly roasted for his bizarre perspectives on SCI.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> What we actually had according to the BBC and official documents was an entire British security[/q1]
[q1]> agency (the FRU) involving itself in mass murder of British citizens in the UK. In additoin the[/q1]
[q1]> police were lobbying for the same murders from the sidelines. The only reason it happened is[/q1]
[q1]> because Britain is a racist state. The British security agencies thought they could murder anybody[/q1]
[q1]> they liked so long as they were Irish. It is that simple and it went a lot further than anything[/q1]
[q1]> Mugabe has done recently against the White Farmers.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Gregory[/q1]
Accepting that your lot (for whom you have done nothin except talk) have committed atrocities has
everything to do with the credibility of your argument. You cannot just condemn one side in this.
It's not a black and white thing, except that you make it so.
I'm going to ask you a 5th time. What contribution does your argument make to the success of the
peace process? John
Reginald Perrin <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[q1]> "JHP" <[email protected]> wrote in message[/q1]
news:<[email protected]>...
[q1]>[/q1]
[q3]> > > Cadiz[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q2]> > Your position would have more credibility if you accepted atrocities on[/q2]
the
[q2]> > PIRA side as well. Will you?[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> No chance. Greig Carlin (aka Cadiz and a number of other pretentious aliases) is a brain-washed[/q1]
[q1]> terrorist sympathiser and as such, can see things from one side only. You may as well talk to a[/q1]
[q1]> brick wall.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
Thanks, that confirms my suspicion. He's a waste of finger power, basically. John
news:[email protected]...
[q1]> "JHP" <[email protected]> wrote in message[/q1]
news:<[email protected]>...
[q1]>[/q1]
[q3]> > > Cadiz[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q2]> > Your position would have more credibility if you accepted atrocities on[/q2]
the
[q2]> > PIRA side as well. Will you?[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> No chance. Greig Carlin (aka Cadiz and a number of other pretentious aliases) is a brain-washed[/q1]
[q1]> terrorist sympathiser and as such, can see things from one side only. You may as well talk to a[/q1]
[q1]> brick wall.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
Thanks, that confirms my suspicion. He's a waste of finger power, basically. John
[email protected] (Matthew M. Huntbach) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
[q1]> JHP ([email protected]) wrote:[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q2]> > Every electoral advance for Gerry Adams is further evidence of the defeat of the PIRA in their[/q2]
[q2]> > military aims.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Unfortunately, not. It is evidence that terrorism works, so long as you can time your conversion[/q1]
[q1]> from terrorism to democratic politics deftly.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> It means that in any other part of the world where there are community problems that could be[/q1]
[q1]> resolved by peaceful means, there will be those who will look at the likes of Adams and plot a[/q1]
[q1]> path to power - first get involved in killing and bombing, use this in order to get an image of a[/q1]
[q1]> "strong man" and push aside all those wimps who don't like violence, then when you've managed[/q1]
[q1]> that, call a halt to the violence and get additional credit as a "peacemaker".[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Matthew Huntbach[/q1]
The problems in the north of Ireland are not "community problems", the problem is that "Northern
Ireland" is a colonial state set up by the British government to maintain British rule in the Six
Counties. The root cause of the violence in the north of Ireland is that the British government
refuses to dismantle its colony in Ireland and return this stolen land to its rightful owners: the
indigenous Irish Catholic population of Ireland.
[q1]> JHP ([email protected]) wrote:[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q2]> > Every electoral advance for Gerry Adams is further evidence of the defeat of the PIRA in their[/q2]
[q2]> > military aims.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Unfortunately, not. It is evidence that terrorism works, so long as you can time your conversion[/q1]
[q1]> from terrorism to democratic politics deftly.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> It means that in any other part of the world where there are community problems that could be[/q1]
[q1]> resolved by peaceful means, there will be those who will look at the likes of Adams and plot a[/q1]
[q1]> path to power - first get involved in killing and bombing, use this in order to get an image of a[/q1]
[q1]> "strong man" and push aside all those wimps who don't like violence, then when you've managed[/q1]
[q1]> that, call a halt to the violence and get additional credit as a "peacemaker".[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Matthew Huntbach[/q1]
The problems in the north of Ireland are not "community problems", the problem is that "Northern
Ireland" is a colonial state set up by the British government to maintain British rule in the Six
Counties. The root cause of the violence in the north of Ireland is that the British government
refuses to dismantle its colony in Ireland and return this stolen land to its rightful owners: the
indigenous Irish Catholic population of Ireland.
Cadiz <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
[q1]> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...[/q1]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >JHP ([email protected]) wrote:[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >> Every electoral advance for Gerry Adams is further evidence of the[/q2]
defeat of
[q2]> >> the PIRA in their military aims.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >Unfortunately, not. It is evidence that terrorism works, so long as you can time your conversion[/q2]
[q2]> >from terrorism to democratic politics deftly.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> What kind of terrorism?[/q1]
The terrorism of kneecapping kids and the murder of innocent people in Warrington, for example. John
[q1]> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...[/q1]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >JHP ([email protected]) wrote:[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >> Every electoral advance for Gerry Adams is further evidence of the[/q2]
defeat of
[q2]> >> the PIRA in their military aims.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >Unfortunately, not. It is evidence that terrorism works, so long as you can time your conversion[/q2]
[q2]> >from terrorism to democratic politics deftly.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> What kind of terrorism?[/q1]
The terrorism of kneecapping kids and the murder of innocent people in Warrington, for example. John
[email protected] (Diarmid Logan) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
[q1]> [email protected] (Matthew M. Huntbach) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...[/q1]
[q2]> > JHP ([email protected]) wrote:[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q3]> > > Every electoral advance for Gerry Adams is further evidence of the defeat of the PIRA in their[/q3]
[q3]> > > military aims.[/q3]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Unfortunately, not. It is evidence that terrorism works, so long as you can time your conversion[/q2]
[q2]> > from terrorism to democratic politics deftly.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > It means that in any other part of the world where there are community problems that could be[/q2]
[q2]> > resolved by peaceful means, there will be those who will look at the likes of Adams and plot a[/q2]
[q2]> > path to power - first get involved in killing and bombing, use this in order to get an image of[/q2]
[q2]> > a "strong man" and push aside all those wimps who don't like violence, then when you've managed[/q2]
[q2]> > that, call a halt to the violence and get additional credit as a "peacemaker".[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Matthew Huntbach[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> The problems in the north of Ireland are not "community problems", the problem is that "Northern[/q1]
[q1]> Ireland" is a colonial state set up by the British government to maintain British rule in the Six[/q1]
[q1]> Counties. The root cause of the violence in the north of Ireland is that the British government[/q1]
[q1]> refuses to dismantle its colony in Ireland and return this stolen land to its rightful owners: the[/q1]
[q1]> indigenous Irish Catholic population of Ireland.[/q1]
I once asked Matthew for some photographic or academic evidence to sustain the idea that the British
Army ere sent to 'protect' the Catholics. He wasn't able to produce one single item.
It was a hoax, no photographs existed because it simply didn't happen. The British Army were sent to
'clobber' the Catholics.
The British ran Northern Ireland as if it was a colony in Africa. It still resembles Mugabe's
Zimbabwe in one or two respects. The United States would have kittens if it was being bombed every
single day. In Britain it doesn't make the news.
news:<[email protected]>...
[q1]> [email protected] (Matthew M. Huntbach) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...[/q1]
[q2]> > JHP ([email protected]) wrote:[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q3]> > > Every electoral advance for Gerry Adams is further evidence of the defeat of the PIRA in their[/q3]
[q3]> > > military aims.[/q3]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Unfortunately, not. It is evidence that terrorism works, so long as you can time your conversion[/q2]
[q2]> > from terrorism to democratic politics deftly.[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > It means that in any other part of the world where there are community problems that could be[/q2]
[q2]> > resolved by peaceful means, there will be those who will look at the likes of Adams and plot a[/q2]
[q2]> > path to power - first get involved in killing and bombing, use this in order to get an image of[/q2]
[q2]> > a "strong man" and push aside all those wimps who don't like violence, then when you've managed[/q2]
[q2]> > that, call a halt to the violence and get additional credit as a "peacemaker".[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > Matthew Huntbach[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> The problems in the north of Ireland are not "community problems", the problem is that "Northern[/q1]
[q1]> Ireland" is a colonial state set up by the British government to maintain British rule in the Six[/q1]
[q1]> Counties. The root cause of the violence in the north of Ireland is that the British government[/q1]
[q1]> refuses to dismantle its colony in Ireland and return this stolen land to its rightful owners: the[/q1]
[q1]> indigenous Irish Catholic population of Ireland.[/q1]
I once asked Matthew for some photographic or academic evidence to sustain the idea that the British
Army ere sent to 'protect' the Catholics. He wasn't able to produce one single item.
It was a hoax, no photographs existed because it simply didn't happen. The British Army were sent to
'clobber' the Catholics.
The British ran Northern Ireland as if it was a colony in Africa. It still resembles Mugabe's
Zimbabwe in one or two respects. The United States would have kittens if it was being bombed every
single day. In Britain it doesn't make the news.
Diarmid Logan ([email protected]) wrote:
[q1]> [email protected] (Matthew M. Huntbach) wrote in message news:[/q1]
[q2]> > It means that in any other part of the world where there are community problems that could be[/q2]
[q2]> > resolved by peaceful means, there will be those who will look at the likes of Adams and plot a[/q2]
[q2]> > path to power - first get involved in killing and bombing, use this in order to get an image of[/q2]
[q2]> > a "strong man" and push aside all those wimps who don't like violence, then when you've managed[/q2]
[q2]> > that, call a halt to the violence and get additional credit as a "peacemaker".[/q2]
[q1]> The problems in the north of Ireland are not "community problems", the problem is that "Northern[/q1]
[q1]> Ireland" is a colonial state set up by the British government to maintain British rule in the Six[/q1]
[q1]> Counties. The root cause of the violence in the north of Ireland is that the British government[/q1]
[q1]> refuses to dismantle its colony in Ireland and return this stolen land to its rightful owners: the[/q1]
[q1]> indigenous Irish Catholic population of Ireland.[/q1]
Perhaps the British government should return to its "rightful owners" the land stolen from its
native inhabitants in north America at about the same time Ulster was settled by much the same sort
of people. An Ulsterman is just an Amerecan whose ancestors got off at the first stop.
Matthew Huntbach
[q1]> [email protected] (Matthew M. Huntbach) wrote in message news:[/q1]
[q2]> > It means that in any other part of the world where there are community problems that could be[/q2]
[q2]> > resolved by peaceful means, there will be those who will look at the likes of Adams and plot a[/q2]
[q2]> > path to power - first get involved in killing and bombing, use this in order to get an image of[/q2]
[q2]> > a "strong man" and push aside all those wimps who don't like violence, then when you've managed[/q2]
[q2]> > that, call a halt to the violence and get additional credit as a "peacemaker".[/q2]
[q1]> The problems in the north of Ireland are not "community problems", the problem is that "Northern[/q1]
[q1]> Ireland" is a colonial state set up by the British government to maintain British rule in the Six[/q1]
[q1]> Counties. The root cause of the violence in the north of Ireland is that the British government[/q1]
[q1]> refuses to dismantle its colony in Ireland and return this stolen land to its rightful owners: the[/q1]
[q1]> indigenous Irish Catholic population of Ireland.[/q1]
Perhaps the British government should return to its "rightful owners" the land stolen from its
native inhabitants in north America at about the same time Ulster was settled by much the same sort
of people. An Ulsterman is just an Amerecan whose ancestors got off at the first stop.
Matthew Huntbach
"JHP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
[q1]> Cadiz <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...[/q1]
[q2]> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...[/q2]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > >JHP ([email protected]) wrote:[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > >> Every electoral advance for Gerry Adams is further evidence of the[/q3]
[q1]> defeat of[/q1]
[q3]> > >> the PIRA in their military aims.[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > >Unfortunately, not. It is evidence that terrorism works, so long as you can time your[/q3]
[q3]> > >conversion from terrorism to democratic politics deftly.[/q3]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > What kind of terrorism?[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> The terrorism of kneecapping kids and the murder of innocent people in Warrington, for[/q1]
[q1]> example. John[/q1]
How many kids did the IRA kill in Britain? Compare it to the number of kids the British butchered in
Ireland. Could we have those two sets of figures? I think the folks in England got the best or it
and the Irish kids got the worst of it. What do you think?
How many kids did the IRA kill in total in Britain in thirty years of war? You've mentioned
Warrington several times, what else have you? I doubt more than 50 or so civilians were killed by
the IRA in Britain over thirty years and that would include Judges and Politicians.
news:<[email protected]>...
[q1]> Cadiz <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...[/q1]
[q2]> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...[/q2]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > >JHP ([email protected]) wrote:[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > >> Every electoral advance for Gerry Adams is further evidence of the[/q3]
[q1]> defeat of[/q1]
[q3]> > >> the PIRA in their military aims.[/q3]
[q3]> > >[/q3]
[q3]> > >Unfortunately, not. It is evidence that terrorism works, so long as you can time your[/q3]
[q3]> > >conversion from terrorism to democratic politics deftly.[/q3]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> > What kind of terrorism?[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> The terrorism of kneecapping kids and the murder of innocent people in Warrington, for[/q1]
[q1]> example. John[/q1]
How many kids did the IRA kill in Britain? Compare it to the number of kids the British butchered in
Ireland. Could we have those two sets of figures? I think the folks in England got the best or it
and the Irish kids got the worst of it. What do you think?
How many kids did the IRA kill in total in Britain in thirty years of war? You've mentioned
Warrington several times, what else have you? I doubt more than 50 or so civilians were killed by
the IRA in Britain over thirty years and that would include Judges and Politicians.
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