US Army heroes? Think again!

I saw this a few weeks ago and assumed it was the video leaked by wikileaks back in 2007. Yes, I was incredibly angry at what I saw and heard, but this is America we are talking about - The biggest and greatest glorifiers of war and death that the world has known.

Remember it was only 60 years ago when America, the land of the greats, dropped atom bombs on Japan killing 250,000 people.

Also remember that this was all under Bush's order and a whole lot of good(and money) it did for the world.

Yours faithfully, an avid pacifist.

The key word there is apparently.

Nobody knows how far away they were and if a helicopter is within the range of a rifle then it is extremely vulnerable. All it takes is for 1 round to hit the tail rotor, or the engines or near the base of the main rotor, and the helicopter goes down.

So, if they were a long distance away then they were perfectly safe, but if they were within the range of an ak-47 then in their minds, and from what their training will have taught them, then they were in danger.

Are you naturally stupid of something??? This is not about comparing figures but about the indiscriminate killing done by USA.

Even then 3000 does come close to 100000.

What is spreading it around going to do? I don't want you to do anything, I'm just saying if you really were outraged you'd try and do something about it.

Until you have been in a warzone you have no valid opinion on how a soldier should deal with death. Armed Forces humour is notoriously dark for a reason.

Once your signed up you don't have a choice. Many of those men had nothing else they could do bar the army

Let's not get into the 'no choice' or freewill and determinism argument. Yes, they had a choice, and they chose to sign up knowing that they may well be forced to kill innocent people.

You're a pilot. Enemy has objects which look like RPG which would kill you. You get the go ahead to kill. You don't sit there going "Hold on, I'm just going to triple-check they have a gun before they shoot me." are you?

i wasn't talking about their behaviour, its their job to assess the situation and act upon it. they were trained for the situation.

I think their behaviour was appalling but it kinda suits the americans

The soliders thought those people had weapons and from a distance in a helicopter in a combat situation you jsut cannot take the risk of waiting to see if its an RPG or not

Yes, because it was completely wrong to drop an atomic weapon on a country that had attacked the US with no declaration of war, had fought bitterly during 1944-45 even when they were clearly going to lose - defending every single island and killing as many American troops in the process as possible (fighting to the death), had some of the worst torture camps (if not the worst...) the world has ever seen, treated US POWs in the most appalling ways, and refused to surrender.

etc

They were too far away to be shot you do realise? The victims didn't even notice their helicopters.

The soliders thought those people had weapons and from a distance in a helicopter in a combat situation you jsut cannot take the risk of waiting to see if its an RPG or not

That's exactly it though, they were at a distance where a RPG wouldn't be able to reach them anyway.

Alternatively you can turn around and get out of danger. Whilst you're at it you can pack your backs and leave the country whose civilians you're supposedly meant to be liberating or protecting or however you want to put it.

Issue is about an individual situation not the context of the wider war. So comment on this or stfu

Are you a weapons expert now? Do you honestly think that the American Airforce is that thick they would just shoot anything without justification? Groundforces maybe, but you have to be a lot more careful in the air. You have to get a lot of orders before you get given the green light. They examined the situation, but you're patrolling an area and see suspicious activity. Look at the way they were acting, cameras can only pick up so much and it's a lot harder to analysis the situation when you're actually there. They had to act fast before they got out of the way, what would happen if they DID have RPGs? For all the pilots knew, they did. They wanted to get rid of them before they hurt more US forces.

They might not have been a direct threat to them, but they certainly acted suspiciously, in a hostile area, the patrolling forces and their commanding officers hadn't been told of any journalist going into the area, they have objects which look like RPGS... This tape could be used against the US if they didn't fire on them and they DID have weapons

Alternatively you can turn around and get out of danger. Whilst you're at it you can pack your backs and leave the country whose civilians you're supposedly meant to be liberating or protecting or however you want to put it.

The range of an RPG is more than half a mile so its quite likely it could have hit them

Tsr members have spent way too much time trying to sympathise with soldiers. Seems they're forgetting to sympathise with real people.

Imagine those shot in the video were British. Hell, imagine it was your father shot in that video. I very, very much doubt you would sit back and think "oh didums, that's war for you. Soldiers have to get through it some way and whatnot"

****ing pricks.