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Woman raped at 3am by a sick nasty rapist after getting thrown off the bus...
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To me, the article is almost two seperate horrible things.
The woman was raped, which is not the fault of the driver, the public or herself - it's the rapist and the rapist alone. You can't blame the driver for not letting her on or the people on the bus for not lending her 20p for the fact that she was raped.
But the fact that nobody gave her the money and the driver wouldn't let her on anyway thus her being left miles away from her home in the middle of the night is another awful thing. I'm pretty shocked at that to be honest. I'd give someone 20p if they were short for a double cheeseburger to be honest, let alone a night bus home.
Stop the planet please, I want to get off.
The woman was raped, which is not the fault of the driver, the public or herself - it's the rapist and the rapist alone. You can't blame the driver for not letting her on or the people on the bus for not lending her 20p for the fact that she was raped.
But the fact that nobody gave her the money and the driver wouldn't let her on anyway thus her being left miles away from her home in the middle of the night is another awful thing. I'm pretty shocked at that to be honest. I'd give someone 20p if they were short for a double cheeseburger to be honest, let alone a night bus home.
Stop the planet please, I want to get off.
Original post by Apa
I agree with everyone saying that the fault lies solely on the rapist and that the bus driver should have let her on. However, she still had £4.80 left. I don't understand why the bus driver didn't offer to take her to where he could UP to that fare, say 13 miles or so, rather than leaving her there. Unless of course it was a direct bus from A to B with no stops (I don't know buses very well.)
some places switch to a flat fare for night busses. I.e. £5 =any distance, less than £5 = no journey at all.
A lot of things could have gone differently by the sound of it, e.g. she could have waited for her mum somewhere busy rather than going to a rec field. Just an unfortunate chain of events with no one responsible except the actual rapist. If every single woman kicked off a bus was automatically guaranteed to get raped then no doubt there'd be different policies.
...just hope he did get the girl pregnant 
Original post by DynamicSyngery
What does the bus fare have to do with it? It's not like every time someone cant afford a bus the assumption is they're going to be raped walking home.
amen. the bus fare has **** all to do with the story really, it's not as if the people on the bus knew what would happen to her.
Original post by CasualSoul
...just hope he did get the girl pregnant
would've, should've..could've....it's happened we need to stop focussing on all the different possibilities that may have occured and learn from this (i.e. ensuring you're not out late/ have the right money etc and taking precautions to ensure you are as safe as possible)
Also there needs to be HARSHER sentences for rape victims ...but it's not just sentencing that these people need. They need some sort of rehabilitation in which issues such as why they feel the need to rape people and why can't they control their sexual urges are seriously addressed...or they are just gonna reoffend when they come out.
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I'm sorry but that is disgusting, did the bus driver have no humanity in his heart to let her on because she was 20p short. Seriously, I am sick and tired of seeing people being killed, beaten up etc while there are passengers on the bus and they do nothing. Would the bus driver have been whipped by his boss because he let a a woman on who was short of 20p. Would he go hungry because of that 20p? NO!!
It definetely 100% is not her fault, nobody intends on being 20p short, even if the driver let her on I don't believe anybody would have known whether that sick freak would have attacked someone else. To sum it up, the driver should've let her on, the passengers or at least one of them could have spared her a measly 20p. It's all a case of Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda.
It definetely 100% is not her fault, nobody intends on being 20p short, even if the driver let her on I don't believe anybody would have known whether that sick freak would have attacked someone else. To sum it up, the driver should've let her on, the passengers or at least one of them could have spared her a measly 20p. It's all a case of Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda.
Original post by CasualSoul
...just hope he did get the girl pregnant
...guessing you mean didn't?
Anyway for those saying she could have gone some of the journey, I think the special weekend night time Notts to Mansfield pronto bus is a flat fare thing, £5 even if it's one stop or one hour.
Tbh I suppose she wasn't thinking straight, I'm surprised her mum offered to come get her at 3am and didn't just tell her to get a taxi. There was a cash machine right where that bus stop is and there's a few taxi stands around if she didn't know a number.
The bus driver was a real prat though because if it was the 3am bus and he knew full well that was the last bus of the night going her way.
Disgraceful. Everyone on that bus shoulders the blame.
Absolutely disgraceful, the jobsworthiness of the driver and the selfish ignorance of the passengers astounds me. We live in a sad age when an individual puts -20pence for a corporation before the safety and well being of a young woman.
Absolutely disgraceful, the jobsworthiness of the driver and the selfish ignorance of the passengers astounds me. We live in a sad age when an individual puts -20pence for a corporation before the safety and well being of a young woman.
Original post by original_username
Disgraceful. Everyone on that bus shoulders the blame.
Absolutely disgraceful, the jobsworthiness of the driver and the selfish ignorance of the passengers astounds me. We live in a sad age when an individual puts -20pence for a corporation before the safety and well being of a young woman.
Absolutely disgraceful, the jobsworthiness of the driver and the selfish ignorance of the passengers astounds me. We live in a sad age when an individual puts -20pence for a corporation before the safety and well being of a young woman.
Doesn't she shoulder the blame for not bringing enough money so having to freeload off others? No, she's at fault for having to walk home at night, and the rapist is at fault for the rape. Don't bring anyone else into either of those two - she doesn't get on the bus because she didn't bring enough money, and the rapist is the evil **** responsible for the rape.
Original post by original_username
Disgraceful. Everyone on that bus shoulders the blame.
Absolutely disgraceful, the jobsworthiness of the driver and the selfish ignorance of the passengers astounds me. We live in a sad age when an individual puts -20pence for a corporation before the safety and well being of a young woman.
Absolutely disgraceful, the jobsworthiness of the driver and the selfish ignorance of the passengers astounds me. We live in a sad age when an individual puts -20pence for a corporation before the safety and well being of a young woman.
I assume you believe the woman also shoulders the blame then?
I fail to see how you can blame the bus passengers but not her.
(I blame neither by the way, I only blame the rapist.)
Not meaning to detract too much from the main issue (I don't have much to add that no one else has already said anyway), but why is it relevant for the OP to mention the way he looks? It's not as if it would make his crimes any better if he were good-looking, would it? Judge people on their actions, not their looks.
That said, poor girl
. She's lucky to live and I hope she can learn to move on from this. And I hope that criminal gets a proper punishment from this.
I know, right? The bus would never cost nearly that much in London
. In fact, the daily cap on Oyster Card is £4.
That said, bus fares do work differently in different areas of the country.
That said, poor girl
. She's lucky to live and I hope she can learn to move on from this. And I hope that criminal gets a proper punishment from this.Original post by Fusion
This is a case of hindsight being a wonderful thing.
Also that doesn't bode well.
p.s. £5 for a bus fare wtf?!!
Also that doesn't bode well.
p.s. £5 for a bus fare wtf?!!
I know, right? The bus would never cost nearly that much in London
. In fact, the daily cap on Oyster Card is £4.That said, bus fares do work differently in different areas of the country.
Original post by F Ellen
I don't blame the bus driver, however I do find it a little sad that no one was willing to help her out and give her a little bit of change to let her get home on a cold night. It would have hardly bankrupted them, would it? Unfortunately this nation seems to be heading more and more into a "only care about myself" attitude.
You don't know if they had 20p themselves. It was a late bus there was probably hardly anyone on it and who carries a load of loose change around with them nowadays anyway!
People go on about passengers not interfering but how do you know the bus wasn't emptyish, perhaps there were few people sleeping off their alcohol consumption, maybe she appeared a bit drunk and aggressive...just saying the scenario described by the DM may be slightly exaggerated, she even said she couldn't remember how much the shortfall was..
That's a great policy.
Original post by Beebumble
Don't know if this has been discussed but here in London bus drivers have to let you on you just have to give them your details so you can pay later.
Is it not the same all over the country?
Is it not the same all over the country?
That's a great policy.
Original post by Beebumble
Don't know if this has been discussed but here in London bus drivers have to let you on you just have to give them your details so you can pay later.
Is it not the same all over the country?
Is it not the same all over the country?
London bus drivers apparently don't even do this any more; I got told that they weren't allowed to do so any more.
Original post by KingMessi
London bus drivers apparently don't even do this any more; I got told that they weren't allowed to do so any more.
Really? I thought it was requirement now.
Original post by Beebumble
Don't know if this has been discussed but here in London bus drivers have to let you on you just have to give them your details so you can pay later.
Is it not the same all over the country?
Is it not the same all over the country?
At night, london bus drivers don't even bother arguing tbh
Most, if not all don't care once it gets past a certain time.
1. In no way do I think that she is responsible. However, I also don't think that the bus driver/passengers were also responsible. I believe that the ONLY person who was at fault was the rapist.
However (again) I'd like to get the whole story first. It seems she was, at the very least, intoxicated. I get the feeling that this may have also played a factor in her being denied the bus ride. I cannot, out of good conscience, say that I have never turned down people who may have been asking for change (e.g. 1 pound). It's easy to condemn other's when we are NOT in that situation, but I highly doubt that anyone's mind might have contemplated that them not giving up change would lead her to be raped. In similar situations, people will generally tend to ignore persons make such requests. The whole situation is extremely unfortunate, but I can't place blame on the bus driver/passengers.
Alternatively, I really, REALLY encourage people who will be going out, especially drinking, to go WITH A FRIEND/FRIENDS who will ensure that they get home safe, especially women.
However (again) I'd like to get the whole story first. It seems she was, at the very least, intoxicated. I get the feeling that this may have also played a factor in her being denied the bus ride. I cannot, out of good conscience, say that I have never turned down people who may have been asking for change (e.g. 1 pound). It's easy to condemn other's when we are NOT in that situation, but I highly doubt that anyone's mind might have contemplated that them not giving up change would lead her to be raped. In similar situations, people will generally tend to ignore persons make such requests. The whole situation is extremely unfortunate, but I can't place blame on the bus driver/passengers.
Alternatively, I really, REALLY encourage people who will be going out, especially drinking, to go WITH A FRIEND/FRIENDS who will ensure that they get home safe, especially women.
Given the context, the driver could have easily let her on out of compassion alone - I mean, if it was me I'd put the 20p in myself. Considering how many people dodge fares or get on for a half when they're over 16, I HIGHLY doubt the bus company would notice or care if 20p was missing.
The first idea that popped into my head would be to get a ticket for £4.80 and just stay on til my stop (as if they'd throw you off)... but it's all too late now. Remember though people - it's only the rapists fault!
The first idea that popped into my head would be to get a ticket for £4.80 and just stay on til my stop (as if they'd throw you off)... but it's all too late now.
Remember though people - it's only the rapists fault!Original post by dgeorge
1. In no way do I think that she is responsible. However, I also don't think that the bus driver/passengers were also responsible. I believe that the ONLY person who was at fault was the rapist.
However (again) I'd like to get the whole story first. It seems she was, at the very least, intoxicated. I get the feeling that this may have also played a factor in her being denied the bus ride. I cannot, out of good conscience, say that I have never turned down people who may have been asking for change (e.g. 1 pound). It's easy to condemn other's when we are NOT in that situation, but I highly doubt that anyone's mind might have contemplated that them not giving up change would lead her to be raped. In similar situations, people will generally tend to ignore persons make such requests. The whole situation is extremely unfortunate, but I can't place blame on the bus driver/passengers.
Alternatively, I really, REALLY encourage people who will be going out, especially drinking, to go WITH A FRIEND/FRIENDS who will ensure that they get home safe, especially women.
However (again) I'd like to get the whole story first. It seems she was, at the very least, intoxicated. I get the feeling that this may have also played a factor in her being denied the bus ride. I cannot, out of good conscience, say that I have never turned down people who may have been asking for change (e.g. 1 pound). It's easy to condemn other's when we are NOT in that situation, but I highly doubt that anyone's mind might have contemplated that them not giving up change would lead her to be raped. In similar situations, people will generally tend to ignore persons make such requests. The whole situation is extremely unfortunate, but I can't place blame on the bus driver/passengers.
Alternatively, I really, REALLY encourage people who will be going out, especially drinking, to go WITH A FRIEND/FRIENDS who will ensure that they get home safe, especially women.
Two problems with this.
Women are more likely to be raped by someone they know. So if they rely on a man to see them home safely, they're statistically at a greater risk (I believe it's 10-15% of rapes carried out by strangers, as opposed to 85-90% carried out by someone the survivor already knew)
So, to reduce this risk, they'd have to rely on a female friend to escort them home. How does said female friend get home?
This is why telling women to take steps to protect themselves is a double edged sword.
How about: Men; if you think you're likely to rape someone tonight, ask a friend to accompany you home to make sure that you don't? (Or stay in, away from people... Much preferred)
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