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A Satanic activity book for children

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Original post by Good bloke
So you aren't concerned about fairness and equality in RE teaching, just indoctrination? And as long as your child is being indoctrinated with your superstitious beliefs you don't mind?
*yawn* no, I'm not. As a Christian, I believe every other religion is false testimony. That's the whole idea of being a person with faith. A Muslim or Hindu would say the exact same thing. Just because the world tries to convince people to be 'tolerant, multi-religious people' doesn't make it so. I wouldn't mind my child being taught about other religions to help their understanding of other people they might meet in life. But I'll make them aware that these religions' Gods aren't real. Being taught about Satanism is a step too far because it conflicts directly with the Christian notion of Satan. Clearly you're an Atheist so I don't expect you to understand my viewpoint, you've already said you think all religions are superstitions. But it's a parents prerogative to bring their child up how they choose (within obvious reason). I believe that if my child dies whilst believing Jesus is their Saviour, they'll go to Heaven, otherwise they will go to hell along with the secular masses. I'd be doing the best for my child in my eyes. People bring their children up with all sorts of beliefs, both religious and non-religious. Nothing to do with anyone else.
Stupid idiots
Original post by Veggiechic6
*yawn* no, I'm not. As a Christian, I believe every other religion is false testimony. That's the whole idea of being a person with faith. A Muslim or Hindu would say the exact same thing. Just because the world tries to convince people to be 'tolerant, multi-religious people' doesn't make it so. I wouldn't mind my child being taught about other religions to help their understanding of other people they might meet in life. But I'll make them aware that these religions' Gods aren't real. Being taught about Satanism is a step too far because it conflicts directly with the Christian notion of Satan. Clearly you're an Atheist so I don't expect you to understand my viewpoint, you've already said you think all religions are superstitions. But it's a parents prerogative to bring their child up how they choose (within obvious reason). I believe that if my child dies whilst believing Jesus is their Saviour, they'll go to Heaven, otherwise they will go to hell along with the secular masses. I'd be doing the best for my child in my eyes. People bring their children up with all sorts of beliefs, both religious and non-religious. Nothing to do with anyone else.


Just believing Jesus is your saviour will not get you into heaven
Original post by Veggiechic6
No, why on earth would I care about that? If the Satanist parent doesn't want their child surrounded by that, they can choose to take whatever action they wish.


So, it doesn't matter what the Satanist parent thinks about christian imagery, but we shouldn't allow satanic imagery for what Christian parents might think? Seems fairly hypocritical...
Original post by l'insegnante
As I have said I AM NOT A FULL TIME TEACHER, I am a STUDENT TEACHER, still in university. So of course I don't know the full curriculum considering I haven't had a chance to study all of it or teach all of it yet


So, by your logic, you shouldn't debate it then, eh?
Original post by bittr n swt
Just believing Jesus is your saviour will not get you into heaven
What else do you think?

Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
So, it doesn't matter what the Satanist parent thinks about christian imagery, but we shouldn't allow satanic imagery for what Christian parents might think? Seems fairly hypocritical...
How many Satanist parents do you know are complaining about things like this in the UK? There are far more Christian parents, sometimes life does have to cater for the majority. I'm not talking about 'we' as a society, I'm talking about me personally as a Christian. I can't imagine schools here would ever teach about Satanism because it's such a minority. If they did, myself and other Christian parents would be angry about it. Perhaps we'll be listened to, perhaps we won't.
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Original post by Veggiechic6
There are far more Christian parents, sometimes life does have to cater for the majority.


I'm not sure you are right. I bet more religious people in the UK are Moslems than Christians, and that far more than either are atheist, agnostic or otherwise completely irreligious and don't care.
Original post by Veggiechic6
What else do you think?

How many Satanist parents do you know are complaining about things like this in the UK? There are far more Christian parents, sometimes life does have to cater for the majority. I'm not talking about 'we' as a society, I'm talking about me personally as a Christian. I can't imagine schools here would ever teach about Satanism. If they did, myself and other Christian parents would be angry about it. Perhaps we'll be listened to, perhaps we won't.


None, I don't know any satanists. I was instead making a general point - you complain that Christians would be offended if we were to teach Satanism because Satan is the bad guy, however Satanists would argue that he's actually the good guy (and if you critically analyse the actions of god and the devil in the bible, they're arguably right) - so no doubt they'd be offended by only one side of the story being taught. So why then should Satanists have to suck it up over their deity being slandered while we shouldn't stand for children being taught that some people think the Devil isn't that bad?
Original post by Good bloke
So, by your logic, you shouldn't debate it then, eh?


I have a fair enough knowledge of the contents of it so therefore I can talk about it quite confidently. Whereas you appear to know nothing about it
Original post by Good bloke
I'm not sure you are right. I bet more religious people in the UK are Moslems than Christians, and that far more than either are atheist, agnostic or otherwise completely irreligious and don't care.
I'm pretty sure that according to the last survey, there were more Christians than Muslims in this country (although things have been changing more recently). More and more people are identifying as atheist and schools already cater for this because what is taught outside R.E is from a purely secular point of view.
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Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
None, I don't know any satanists. I was instead making a general point - you complain that Christians would be offended if we were to teach Satanism because Satan is the bad guy, however Satanists would argue that he's actually the good guy (and if you critically analyse the actions of god and the devil in the bible, they're arguably right) - so no doubt they'd be offended by only one side of the story being taught. So why then should Satanists have to suck it up over their deity being slandered while we shouldn't stand for children being taught that some people think the Devil isn't that bad?
If all these Satanist parents were so offended by children being taught only one side of the story, they'd have made their voices heard. Clearly they're happy to 'suck it up' so to speak or they would have done something about it by now, Christianity has been favoured in this country for centuries (not so much now of course).
Original post by Veggiechic6
If all these Satanist parents were so offended by children being taught only one side of the story, they'd have made their voices heard. Clearly they're happy to 'suck it up' so to speak or they would have done something about it by now, Christianity has been favoured in this country for centuries (not so much now of course).


Have you considered the possibility that, having been hounded, bullied and persecuted (burned to death, even) by Christians for centuries, Satanists are reluctant to stick their heads over the parapet?
It makes sense that the Bible would be taught in American schools, seeing as 83% of Americans profess to be Christian. The board of education has every right to decide what materials are distributed in schools, and if they decide Bibles make sense but that it's pointless to hand out atheist literature (what would atheist literature even contain, what life lessons would it teach? I thought atheism wasn't a religion) then it is their prerogative to do so. If parents have an issue with it then they can take it up with the school board. However it wasn't the parents who took issue with this - it was an outside organisation, a specifically anti-Christian cult who decided to distribute their bizarre literature in order to get up the noses of Christian parents and manipulate the school board into not catering for 83% of their pupils, and it actually worked.
'connect the dots' for the pentegram reminds me of Devil Inside:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyT7xMPurgw
Original post by Good bloke
Have you considered the possibility that, having been hounded, bullied and persecuted (burned to death, even) by Christians for centuries, Satanists are reluctant to stick their heads over the parapet?
Ridiculous, that was centuries ago. I can't imagine any Satanist living in today's modern society that accepts almost anything would be fearful of a Christian backlash and think they were going to be persecuted for their beliefs. Any Christian acting like that towards them would obviously be arrested (freedom of expression notwithstanding).
Original post by Crabbages
It makes sense that the Bible would be taught in American schools, seeing as 83% of Americans profess to be Christian. The board of education has every right to decide what materials are distributed in schools, and if they decide Bibles make sense but that it's pointless to hand out atheist literature (what would atheist literature even contain, what life lessons would it teach? I thought atheism wasn't a religion) then it is their prerogative to do so. If parents have an issue with it then they can take it up with the school board. However it wasn't the parents who took issue with this - it was an outside organisation, a specifically anti-Christian cult who decided to distribute their bizarre literature in order to get up the noses of Christian parents and manipulate the school board into not catering for 83% of their pupils, and it actually worked.


Well, it would. Religious people are notoriously sensitive to the effects of a bit of logical thinking.

I imagine atheist literature would point out the lack of evidence that gods exist and would show how religions were created by men, taking advantage of people's superstitious propensities, as control mechanisms.
Think about it...

God:
-Killed the whole human population (noah's ark)
-Omnipotent but allows a huge amount of human suffering
-Sends those that don't believe in him to hell.
-Many other morally repugnant things

Satan:
-Taught humans about good and evil
-Posessed a few pigs

I think there might have been some misrepresentation here...

EDIT: I am not actually a satanist just in case you were worried :wink: I am an athiest
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Original post by Good bloke
Well, it would. Religious people are notoriously sensitive to the effects of a bit of logical thinking.

I imagine atheist literature would point out the lack of evidence that gods exist and would show how religions were created by men, taking advantage of people's superstitious propensities, as control mechanisms.


Implying the creators, and leaders of religions in the past weren't religious and didn't believe what they taught. Which is nonsense.
Original post by Good bloke
Well, it would. Religious people are notoriously sensitive to the effects of a bit of logical thinking.


What's logical about trying to recruit children into a devil-worshiping cult? These people, in their shallow and immature doctrine, encourage cruelty to others, taking revenge, only being kind to 'those who deserve it', indulgence, and tell people to 'acknowledge the power of magic'. Would you seriously be okay with people peddling this garbage to your children? I'm sure most parents wouldn't. One of their 'commandments' is 'Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself' - The irony here is fantastic.


Original post by Good bloke
I imagine atheist literature would point out the lack of evidence that gods exist and would show how religions were created by men, taking advantage of people's superstitious propensities, as control mechanisms.


And what good would that do? That's not putting forth a worldview or any constructive philosophy. That's not teaching anything. That's just pushing an opinion that religion is some sort of tool to control people, which, for the most part, it isn't.
Original post by Veggiechic6
Ridiculous, that was centuries ago. I can't imagine any Satanist living in today's modern society that accepts almost anything would be fearful of a Christian backlash and think they were going to be persecuted for their beliefs. Any Christian acting like that towards them would obviously be arrested (freedom of expression notwithstanding).


Well, I don't know actually... Perhaps they don't fear for their lives (though there were attacks on Occult shops as recently as the late 90s) but Satanism is misrepresented by the media, so I think anyone who identifies as a Satanist would be reluctant to 'come out' due to the common perception of who they are and what they do. Unfortunately, Satanism attracts a lot of peadophiles, rapists and murderers who use the religion as a cover for their activities, which makes those law-abiding Satanists unwilling to associate themselves with the 'other sort'.
I think a lot of Satanic cults also require anyone who wishes to be initiated to sign a sort of contract which stops them from talking about what they do with wider society. I'm pretty sure that the original Church of Satan founded by Anton LaVey had such a contract.

I must say, I find it funny how religious people often don't want their children exposed to other points of view. Surely if you were so certain about your own beliefs then you would be quite happy for your children to read and learn about other religions and then come to the same conclusion as you? Let them make their own minds up on what to believe.
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