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the line with equation y=3x-2 does not intersect the circle with centre (0,0) and radius r . find the range of possible values of r. Answer is 0<r< root 2/5
So far I've done substituted 0 for x and then for y. Whereby: (0,-2) and (2/3,0)
I've used the formula (x-a)^2 +(y-b)^2=r^2
(0-2/3)^2+ (-2,0) ^2 =r^2
4/9+4=r^2
40/9=r^2
2 root 10 divided by 3
But this is definitely not correct
Where have I gone wrong

Thanks
(edited 6 years ago)
Reply 1
Set up an equation as if you were trying solve the simultaneous equations. Then you have a quadratic which I will have no solutions if the curves don't cross - think discriminant.
Find the shortest distance between the line and origin. That will be the maximum radius of the circle
Original post by Musicanor
the line with equation y=3x-2 does not intersect the circle with centre (0,0) and radius r . find the range of possible values of r. Answer is 0<r< root 2/5

I'd tackle this slightly differently (I do that a lot).

The point on the line closest to the origin is its point of intersection with a line perpendicular to it, and through the origin.
Reply 4
Original post by Laissez‒faire
Find the shortest distance between the line and origin. That will be the maximum radius of the circle

2/3???
Original post by RogerOxon
The point on the line closest to the origin is its point of intersection with a line perpendicular to it, and through the origin.

y=3x2y=3x-2

What is the equation of a line perpendicular to that, through the origin? (Hint: the product of the gradients of two perpendicular lines is -1)
Original post by Musicanor
the line with equation y=3x-2 does not intersect the circle with centre (0,0) and radius r . find the range of possible values of r. Answer is 0<r< root 2/5
So far I've done substituted 0 for x and then for y. Whereby: (0,-2) and (2/3,0)
I've used the formula (x-a)^2 +(y-b)^2=r^2
(0-2/3)^2+ (-2,0) ^2 =r^2
4/9+4=r^2
40/9=r^2
2 root 10 divided by 3
But this is definitely not correct
Where have I gone wrong

Thanks


Take the line perpendicular to y=3x2y=3x-2 through the origin. What is the point of intersection between these two lines? Hence what is the distance between the origin and this point?

Get it?
Original post by Musicanor
2/3???


I haven't done it. You need to find an eq of a line perpendicular which goes through 0,0 and then find their intersection. Then find the distance between that and the origin and you have the maximum radius.
Reply 8
Original post by RogerOxon
I'd tackle this slightly differently (I do that a lot).

The point on the line closest to the origin is its point of intersection with a line perpendicular to it, and through the origin.

Thanks
I've got:
2/3--> -3/2
Y=3(0) -3/2
(0, -3/2)
0=3x-3/2
3/2= 3x
3/2 / 3=X
1/2=x

(0-1/2)^2 + (-3/2 -0)^2=r^2
1/4 +9/4 =r^2
5/2=r^2
Root 5/2 =r

But answer is meant to be root 2/5
???
Reply 9
Original post by RogerOxon
y=3x2y=3x-2

What is the equation of a line perpendicular to that, through the origin? (Hint: the product of the gradients of two perpendicular lines is -1)


-1/3
Original post by Musicanor
-1/3

Correct. So, the line perpendicular to y=3x2y=3x-2 (and through the origin) is y=x3y=-\frac{x}{3}

Now find the point of intersection of those lines.
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Reply 11
Original post by RogerOxon
Correct. So, the line perpendicular to y=3x+2y=3x+2 (and through the origin) is y=x3y=-\frac{x}{3}

Now find the point of intersection of those lines.


Y=3x+2
Y=-x/3
Y-y1= m(x-X1)
Y-2= -x/3 (x-0)
Y-2= -x/3 x
Y= -x/3 +2

3(3x+2)=-x
9x +6=-x
10x+6=0
2(5x+3)=0
5x+3=0
X=-3/5
Is this close:
2/3--> -3/2 Y=3(0) -3/2 (0, -3/2) 0=3x-3/2 3/2= 3x 3/2 / 3=X 1/2=x (0-1/2)^2 + (-3/2 -0)^2=r^2 1/4 +9/4 =r^2 5/2=r^2 Root 5/2 =r
Thank you so much for helping me
(edited 6 years ago)
Original post by Musicanor

Y-y1= m(x-X1)
Y-2= -x/3 (x-0)
Y-2= -x/3 x
Y= -x/3 +2
I don't follow this.

3(3x+2)=-x
9x +6=-x
10x+6=0
2(5x+3)=0
5x+3=0
X=-3/5

Sorry - I misquoted the first line - it's 3x23x-2 (I'd put +), which gives x=+35x=+\frac{3}{5} and y=15y=\frac{-1}{5}.

By Pythagoras, we get d=(35)2+(15)2=1025=25d=\sqrt{(\frac{3}{5})^2+(\frac{1}{5})^2}=\sqrt{\frac{10}{25}}= \sqrt{\frac{2}{5}}
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Reply 13
Original post by RogerOxon
I don't follow this.


Sorry - I misquoted the first line - it's 3x23x-2 (I'd put +), which gives x=+35x=+\frac{3}{5} and y=15y=\frac{-1}{5}.

By Pythagoras, we get d=(35)2+(15)2=1025=25d=\sqrt{(\frac{3}{5})^2+(\frac{1}{5})^2}=\sqrt{\frac{10}{25}}=\sqrt{\frac{2}{5}}


Yay Thanks I understand now:smile:
Reply 14
Original post by RogerOxon
I don't follow this.


Sorry - I misquoted the first line - it's 3x23x-2 (I'd put +), which gives x=+35x=+\frac{3}{5} and y=15y=\frac{-1}{5}.

By Pythagoras, we get d=(35)2+(15)2=1025=25d=\sqrt{(\frac{3}{5})^2+(\frac{1}{5})^2}=\sqrt{\frac{10}{25}}= \sqrt{\frac{2}{5}}


How did you get 3/5 and 1/5?
Original post by Musicanor
How did you get 3/5 and 1/5?

The first line is y=3x2y=3x-2

The product of the gradients of perpendicular lines is -1. The line perpendicular to this, and through the origin, is therefore y=x3y=\frac{-x}{3}

These lines intersect when:

x3=3x2\frac{-x}{3}=3x-2

10x3=2\therefore \frac{10x}{3}=2

x=35\therefore x=\frac{3}{5}

We can get the y coordinate by using that x value in the equation of either line:

y=x3=353=315=15\therefore y=\frac{-x}{3}=\frac{-\frac{3}{5}}{3}=\frac{-3}{15}=\frac{-1}{5}

The distance from the origin to the point of intersection i the sqare roto of the sum of the squares of the difference in x and the difference in y - from the origin, it's just the squares of the coordinates. When I squared the 15\frac{-1}{5}, I dropped the minus sign, as it doesn't make any difference.
(edited 6 years ago)
Reply 16
Original post by RogerOxon
The first line is y=3x2y=3x-2

The product of the gradients of perpendicular lines is -1. The line perpendicular to this, and through the origin, is therefore y=x3y=\frac{-x}{3}

These lines intersect when:

x3=3x2\frac{-x}{3}=3x-2

10x3=2\therefore \frac{10x}{3}=2

x=35\therefore x=\frac{3}{5}

We can get the y coordinate by using that x value in the equation of either line:

y=x3=353=315=15\therefore y=\frac{-x}{3}=\frac{-\frac{3}{5}}{3}=\frac{-3}{15}=\frac{-1}{5}

The distance from the origin to the point of intersection i the sqare roto of the sum of the squares of the difference in x and the difference in y - from the origin, it's just the squares of the coordinates. When I squared the 15\frac{-1}{5}, I dropped the minus sign, as it doesn't make any difference.

Thank you so so so sooooo much. You've helped with a lot:smile: you're the best

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