Trans Women To Be Allowed On Labour’s All-Women Shortlists

Nope. That defeats the point of a shortlist.

Yes because Trans poeple are like on a whole differnet level of being ****ed over by society. We want to help them as well.

Let us deal with how we respond to LGBT politics. You continue doing whatever it is you do. Waving burning money at the homeless or whatever.

What makes this argument actually quite grimly amusing to watch is that nobody appears to have talked through the arguments for both sides. What we have instead is a largely identitarian fight with a bit of thoughtless virtue signalling thrown in. It's a reminder that almost no-one, especially within the left, is able to have a grown-up conversation anymore.

As a slight aside, I think it's also worth noting that there's something of an incongruity in (a) insisting that gender is a significant enough factor in society that a gender group requires special protection in the form, here, of all-female shortlists, and (b), at the same time, maintaining that gender is nothing more than how a person happens to describe himself at any given moment.

there is no reason why Labour should not designate a seat to have an all-trans shortlist. Possibly in a former mining area such as Sedgefield or Chesterfield.

Why not? Women having to compete against everyone regardless of gender isn’t equality?

Hitchens's razor is an epistemological razor asserting that the burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim, and if this burden is not met, the claim is unfounded, and its opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it.

It's disturbing. At the moment, all this trans and gender fluid stuff is trivially dismissed as "pc gone mad". But that's how it's been quietly gaining traction. There was a recent case I read about where a woman having a smear test requested a female nurse and got a trans woman complete with stubble and a deep voice (he was clearly a man acting as if he were female). Realising this the woman refused to go ahead with the test as she felt uncomfortable. The hospital apologised, but it does make you wonder for how long will the woman's understandable distress be an acceptable reaction. This kind of blatant warping of reality used to be the preserve of religious fanatics.

Letting men onto women's shortlist also defeats the purpose. A shortlist that anyone can identify into, has no concrete boundaries and is thus useless.

What's funny is that Labour will never win the next election like this.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/06/26/infant_gender_assignment_unnecessary_and_potentially_harmful.html

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Ah! you are back. Are you going to answer my questions, or would you prefer to come up with some creative insults?

I think I will just ignore you for the time being.

It's disturbing. At the moment, all this trans and gender fluid stuff is trivially dismissed as "pc gone mad". But that's how it's been quietly gaining traction. There was a recent case I read about where a woman having a smear test requested a female nurse and got a trans woman complete with stubble and a deep voice (he was clearly a man acting as if he were female). Realising this the woman refused to go ahead with the test as she felt uncomfortable. The hospital apologised, but it does make you wonder for how long will the woman's understandable distress be an acceptable reaction. This kind of blatant warping of reality used to be the preserve of religious fanatics.

What's funny is that Labour will never win the next election like this.

It makes sense when you view gender the way the Labour party now does. I know you don't. But the Labour party don't care what you think.

I don't think Trans stuff puts people off, but it probably would shore up the Labour vote when it is framed in contrast with how nasty the Tories are being.

Yeah, it's all dressed up with nice fluffy words like progressive and compassion. It's all lies. We are (rightly) disgusted at the practice of FGM, but when the mutilation of healthy genitalia is done in the name of a progressive initiative, everyone is supposed to celebrate and unthinkingly support it.
In what world is sabotaging a healthy functioning organ normal behaviour? If I said I felt I were one-armed man born in the "wrong body" therefore I wanted to amputate my healthy left arm to correct things, I have no doubt that people wouldn't hesitate to think I was mentally unwell.

The author of that article is utterly perverted. And why do these activiists conflate sex with gender?