Rail fares to rise by 3.1% in January
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Hilarious seeing all the socialists/communists on here arguing that the working class should subsidise the travel of the metropolitan elite with their cushy city jobs.
If you don't like it, buy a car or find a job closer to home.
If you don't like it, buy a car or find a job closer to home.
Original post by WarwickMaths281
Hilarious seeing all the socialists/communists on here arguing that the working class should subsidise the travel of the metropolitan elite with their cushy city jobs.
If you don't like it, buy a car or find a job closer to home.
If you don't like it, buy a car or find a job closer to home.
The working class commute too.
Original post by WarwickMaths281
Hilarious seeing all the socialists/communists on here arguing that the working class should subsidise the travel of the metropolitan elite with their cushy city jobs.
If you don't like it, buy a car or find a job closer to home.
If you don't like it, buy a car or find a job closer to home.
Rather silly points.
Firstly the working class commute, as has been pointed out. Secondly the main people subsidising others would be those on very large incomes. Thirdly, many people who commute do have a car. And finally if you work in London, or many major cities, driving in simply isn't an option.
https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/trains/article/best-and-worst-uk-train-companies/best-and-worst-uk-train-companies
Interesting link showing customer satisfaction ratings for Britain's Train Operators. Notice, not one gets near TFL's 84% customer satisfaction level.
Interesting link showing customer satisfaction ratings for Britain's Train Operators. Notice, not one gets near TFL's 84% customer satisfaction level.
Original post by DSilva
And yet TFL, despite paying their staff well, produce a very good and affordable service, and have just announced a price freeze 
It's almost as if the public sector provides better public transport.
It's almost as if the public sector provides better public transport.
£6 for a singe tube journey is affordable? Really? The equivalent for Paris is 1 euro 90.
I also suspect you haven't been on the tube in rush hour? Generally the overcrowding is much worse than national trains. Higher temperatures too.
TFL's prices have risen well about inflation for the last 15 years. You'd need a good 10 years of price freezes to bring it back down to what it used to be like.
Original post by nexttime
£6 for a singe tube journey is affordable? Really? The equivalent for Paris is 1 euro 90.
I also suspect you haven't been on the tube in rush hour? Generally the overcrowding is much worse than national trains. Higher temperatures too.
TFL's prices have risen well about inflation for the last 15 years. You'd need a good 10 years of price freezes to bring it back down to what it used to be like.
I also suspect you haven't been on the tube in rush hour? Generally the overcrowding is much worse than national trains. Higher temperatures too.
TFL's prices have risen well about inflation for the last 15 years. You'd need a good 10 years of price freezes to bring it back down to what it used to be like.
Where are you getting a single being £6? A single peak ticket from Zone 6 to 1 is £5.10 if you use your card.
I get the tube every work day near enough, in rush hour both to and from work. It's £5.80 a day which is pretty good value for money, far better value for money than the privatised tram in Manchester, for example, or the privatised rail services into London.
Of course there is crowding during rush hour, it's one of the busiest cities in the world. But there are usually trains every 1-2 minutes during rush hour and they're rather quick too.
TFL prices are very reasonable. The service is fantastically joined up, with hopper fares on busses and you can get almost anywhere in London within a reasonable time. The tubes also run until late and on popular lines there are night tubes.
There's a reason it has much higher satisfaction ratings than other services.
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Original post by DSilva
https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/trains/article/best-and-worst-uk-train-companies/best-and-worst-uk-train-companies
Interesting link showing customer satisfaction ratings for Britain's Train Operators. Notice, not one gets near TFL's 84% customer satisfaction level.
Interesting link showing customer satisfaction ratings for Britain's Train Operators. Notice, not one gets near TFL's 84% customer satisfaction level.
Why does the glorious TfL only score 59% for the Overground and 55% for TfL rail if it's so good? There's no 84% on that link.
Original post by jameswhughes
Why does the glorious TfL only score 59% for the Overground and 55% for TfL rail if it's so good? There's no 84% on that link.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/412796/london-underground-customer-satisfaction/
Original post by DSilva
Where are you getting a single being £6? A single in rush hour from Zone 6 to 1 is £5.10 if you use your card.
I get the tube every work day near enough, in rush hour both to and from work. It's £5.60 a day which is pretty good value for money, far better value for money than the privatised tram in Manchester, for example, or the privatised rail services into London.
Of course there is crowding during rush hour, it's one of the busiest cities in the world. But there are usually trains every 1-2 minutes during rush hour and they're rather quick too.
TFL prices are very reasonable. The service is fantastically joined up, with hopper fares on busses and you can get almost anywhere in London within a reasonable time. The tubes also run until late and on popular lines there are night tubes.
There's a reason it has much higher satisfaction ratings than other services.
I get the tube every work day near enough, in rush hour both to and from work. It's £5.60 a day which is pretty good value for money, far better value for money than the privatised tram in Manchester, for example, or the privatised rail services into London.
Of course there is crowding during rush hour, it's one of the busiest cities in the world. But there are usually trains every 1-2 minutes during rush hour and they're rather quick too.
TFL prices are very reasonable. The service is fantastically joined up, with hopper fares on busses and you can get almost anywhere in London within a reasonable time. The tubes also run until late and on popular lines there are night tubes.
There's a reason it has much higher satisfaction ratings than other services.
Completely change your 'look how good Europe is' tune to suit your whims, I see.
Original post by nexttime
Completely change your 'look how good Europe is' tune to suit your whims, I see.
What are you talking about? I still maintain European services are better, largely because they are nationalised, just as TFL is.
But TFL is an exception, most rail services in the UK are privatised and are expensive while providing a poor service.
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The link doesn't work.
Do you have some special rose-tinted glasses for when you look at TfL? What do you think about the Central Line strike coming up this weekend? Or the fact that Crossrail is going to be a year late, and has needed three massive bailouts this year?
If a private company was run this well it would have gone under long ago.
Original post by DSilva
What are you talking about? I still maintain European services are better, largely because they are nationalised, just as TFL is.
But TFL is an exception, most rail services in the UK are privatised and are expensive while providing a poor service.
But TFL is an exception, most rail services in the UK are privatised and are expensive while providing a poor service.
What are you talking about?! Singing the praises of TFL when Paris does it for less than a third the price! You are being the absolute definition of hypocritical versus your posts in the first 10 pages (ugh) of this thread!
Original post by nexttime
What are you talking about?! Singing the praises of TFL when Paris does it for less than a third the price! You are being the absolute definition of hypocritical versus your posts in the first 10 pages (ugh) of this thread!
Paris Metro is very good, and publicly owned too, it has huge government funding and is rated extremely highly. Yet more evidence that publicly owned public transport systems outperform privately owned ones. It provides even cheaper tickets as it gets more funding from government than TFL does here. I fully support increased govenrment spending to reduce ticket prices further.
TFL provides a far better service than privately owned operators here, and cheaper too. Where's the hypocrisy?
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Original post by jameswhughes
The link doesn't work.
Do you have some special rose-tinted glasses for when you look at TfL? What do you think about the Central Line strike coming up this weekend? Or the fact that Crossrail is going to be a year late, and has needed three massive bailouts this year?
If a private company was run this well it would have gone under long ago.
Do you have some special rose-tinted glasses for when you look at TfL? What do you think about the Central Line strike coming up this weekend? Or the fact that Crossrail is going to be a year late, and has needed three massive bailouts this year?
If a private company was run this well it would have gone under long ago.
I fully support worker's having strong unions fighting their corner. People can use a different line, or bus if they wish. TFL is very comprehensive. Strikes happen on private systems too, obviously.
Nearly all construction projects run over budget and over time. Crossrail will be very good when it finally arrives and relieve a lot of pressure from the central line. Also much of the planning has come from central government, not TFL.
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Original post by DSilva
Our, already extortionately expensive, rail fares go up by 3% today. Meanwhile the publicly owned TFL has frozen its prices for a year.
Happy New year.
Happy New year.
Cool, tickets are already heavily subsidised
Original post by paul514
Cool, tickets are already heavily subsidised
Except of course, they aren't
. Oh, and that's despite a 12 year low in rail punctuality.
Privatisation rewarding failure, as usual.
Meanwhile the publicly owned TFL keeps prices the same.
Original post by nexttime
What are you talking about?! Singing the praises of TFL when Paris does it for less than a third the price! You are being the absolute definition of hypocritical versus your posts in the first 10 pages (ugh) of this thread!
London Underground is largely funded by passengers - Paris Metro around 30% - the subsidies make all the difference to fares.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farebox_recovery_ratio#Farebox_ratios_around_the_world
Original post by DSilva
I fully support worker's having strong unions fighting their corner. People can use a different line, or bus if they wish. TFL is very comprehensive. Strikes happen on private systems too, obviously.
Nearly all construction projects run over budget and over time. Crossrail will be very good when it finally arrives and relieve a lot of pressure from the central line. Also much of the planning has come from central government, not TFL.
Nearly all construction projects run over budget and over time. Crossrail will be very good when it finally arrives and relieve a lot of pressure from the central line. Also much of the planning has come from central government, not TFL.
Use a different line? Not possible if you live in Epping.
Original post by DSilva
Our, already extortionately expensive, rail fares go up by 3% today. Meanwhile the publicly owned TFL has frozen its prices for a year.
Happy New year.
Happy New year.
Do you have your rose tinted glasses on again? Tube journeys are already incredibly expensive in terms of distance/price and only the pay as you go fares are frozen, not travelcards.
Why does glorious TfL have a massive hole in their budget, and where's Crossrail?
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