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Original post by AHoek10
No - cultural appropriation is real and an issue. It deserves to be called out like this.

Original post by coconuter
oh i have a high level of intellect, you just meant vocabulary - vocabulary is a choice, intellect is a way of thinking. And I think you were referring to intelligence anyway - intellect is a way of looking at abstract matters objectively and logically. this is a conversation about view-points about real life situations and in a way situational ethics so intellect isn't needed in the same way as it's not an abstract idea in the way that, I don't know, trying to analyse Waiting for Godot by Samuel Beckett is abstract. so basically: ok boomer.

Cringe
Original post by coconuter
you can't get dreads from the hairdresser. and you don't have many hairdressers who could do genuine cornrows on western style hair, and the hairdressers who specialise in coloured hair probably wouldn't give you cornrows unless you had the compatible hair. So.

If I wanted it I’d get it
Original post by emanresUU
Cringe

eh. what's really cringe are those wigs - imo cultural appropriation. even if you don't agree they're pretty awful wigs.
Reply 24
Original post by LiberOfLondon
Er... The Vikings had dreadlocks and weren't exactly black.

No culture has ownership of a hairstyle.


I'm not sure if the Vikings ever had dreadlocks, most historic accounts suggest they were fond of combing their hair very straight, early Christian missionaries were surprised by how well Norse men cared for their hair and how long they spent grooming it.

The Minoan Civilisation features the earliest known dipictions of dreadlocks (they were European), and we also know several Ancient Greek cultures wore dreadlocks, so did the Scythians.
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Original post by Wōden
I'm not sure if the Vikings ever had dreadlocks, most historic accounts suggest they were fond of combing their hair very straight, early Christian missionaries were surprised by how well Norse men cared for their hair and how long they spent grooming it.

The Minoan Civilisation features the earliest known dipictions of dreadlocks (they were European), and we also know several Ancient Greek cultures wore dreadlocks, so did a the Scythians.

tbh a lot of history in the western world is whitewashed (a lot of that coming from the victorians) and tbh the dreads in african culture are seen very differently than they are in western culture and the Minoans were in a hot area of Europe and so dreads made sense
Reply 26
People should stick to their original geographic and ethnic culture. No sharing or blending allowed.
In fact, no travel either.
Walls and blinkers, that's the way.
Original post by coconuter
oh i have a high level of intellect, you just meant vocabulary - vocabulary is a choice, intellect is a way of thinking. And I think you were referring to intelligence anyway - intellect is a way of looking at abstract matters objectively and logically. this is a conversation about view-points about real life situations and in a way situational ethics so intellect isn't needed in the same way as it's not an abstract idea in the way that, I don't know, trying to analyse Waiting for Godot by Samuel Beckett is abstract. so basically: ok boomer.

I guess you watch Rick and Morty then you cultured chap
Original post by AHoek10
No - cultural appropriation is real and an issue. It deserves to be called out like this.

So should there be no mixing of cultures at all?
Original post by frantika
So should there be no mixing of cultures at all?

I think he was being sarcastic/facetious. Although this may be one of those cases where a political extremist and a sarcastic moderate are indistinguishable on the internet.
Original post by anosmianAcrimony
I think he was being sarcastic/facetious. Although this may be one of those cases where a political extremist and a sarcastic moderate are indistinguishable on the internet.

Who knows lol
For those who are genuinely curious why people are offended by this keep reading, for those who aren't have a good day!
TL;DR VERS: Many black workers and school children are told their cornrow braids are inappropriate for the work place/school because they do not "reflect our values", and seeing models (some of whom not being black) suddenly having this hairstyle celebrated and walked as high fashion can feel like a slap to the face, insulting, and just generally a flagrant display of double standards.
There have been countless stories, testimonies, and policies made by educational institutions or work places stating that some forms of hairstyle, particularly those belonging traditionally to black cultures, are somehow more inappropriate than the hairstyles of their co-workers or fellow students. I will dump post a bunch of sources to stories about this if you're curious:
(1) , (2) , (3) , (4) , (5) , (6) , (7)
Bare in mind these sources came from about 5 minutes of googling, and is just scratching the surface. And if you question is "Well, whats the problem with changing a hairstyle?", braids are a protective style. Put very simply (bare in mind I am white myself so do not have all the personal testimony on this) some hair patterns are more likely to become damaged than others. Black hair especially can be incredibly hard to moisturise, making it brittle, more likely to snap, and more likely to fall out over time. This means that there are some hairstyles which can be used to make sure that the hair is kept insulated, moisturised, and as such be less likely to become damaged.
So you have a group of people being told "this hairstyle is inappropriate because we don't like what we think it represents, and we don't care if its practical because it doesn't look nice enough to work for us", and then suddenly seeing the same style they can be expelled for, fired for, or even denied jobs for on
runways. It can be insulting!
I hope this helps contextualise the outrage a bit more for people who may be unfamiliar with this.
Reply 32
Cultural appropriation is one of those things coked up in Uni departments flogging tailor-made 'studies' to people who can't do anything academical, their money is as good as anybody's. Then they come out waving their 'diplomas' in everybody's faces and get the hump when nobody cares and they find out they're useless in the real world, that's when they start *****ing against the system that fails to appreciate them.
I saw this on Twitter and i agree with why people are upset with this. It’s because of the cultural appropriation .
Trump 2020!
Original post by princetonalec
For those who are genuinely curious why people are offended by this keep reading, for those who aren't have a good day!
TL;DR VERS: Many black workers and school children are told their cornrow braids are inappropriate for the work place/school because they do not "reflect our values", and seeing models (some of whom not being black) suddenly having this hairstyle celebrated and walked as high fashion can feel like a slap to the face, insulting, and just generally a flagrant display of double standards.
There have been countless stories, testimonies, and policies made by educational institutions or work places stating that some forms of hairstyle, particularly those belonging traditionally to black cultures, are somehow more inappropriate than the hairstyles of their co-workers or fellow students. I will dump post a bunch of sources to stories about this if you're curious:
(1) , (2) , (3) , (4) , (5) , (6) , (7)
Bare in mind these sources came from about 5 minutes of googling, and is just scratching the surface. And if you question is "Well, whats the problem with changing a hairstyle?", braids are a protective style. Put very simply (bare in mind I am white myself so do not have all the personal testimony on this) some hair patterns are more likely to become damaged than others. Black hair especially can be incredibly hard to moisturise, making it brittle, more likely to snap, and more likely to fall out over time. This means that there are some hairstyles which can be used to make sure that the hair is kept insulated, moisturised, and as such be less likely to become damaged.
So you have a group of people being told "this hairstyle is inappropriate because we don't like what we think it represents, and we don't care if its practical because it doesn't look nice enough to work for us", and then suddenly seeing the same style they can be expelled for, fired for, or even denied jobs for on
runways. It can be insulting!
I hope this helps contextualise the outrage a bit more for people who may be unfamiliar with this.

I get that, but that's nothing to do with cultural appropriation is it? It's just double standards.

And since when is high fashion an accurate picture of the world? It exists in a masturbatory bubble; what they 'celebrate' 99/100 times looks horrible to the outside world (as is the case here).

Secondly, companies and schools are entitled to have dress codes. I understand that it's mean and insensitive to just expect someone to change their hairstyle when it's taken them weeks to do it but they are well within their rights to expect it. You can't have different rules for everyone; either everybody can have cornrows or no one can
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Original post by frantika
I get that, but that's nothing to do with cultural appropriation is it? It's just double standards.
And since when is high fashion an accurate picture of the world? It exists in a masturbatory bubble; what they 'celebrate' 99/100 times looks horrible to the outside world.

Secondly, companies and schools are entitled to have dress codes. I understand that it's mean and insensitive to just expect someone to change their hairstyle when it's taken them weeks to do it but they are well within their rights to expect it.


It would be classified as cultural appropriation, because it's the opposite of cultural appreciation.
Put simply: if these things weren't so, if people weren't made to remove their braids to please employers, schools, or institutions there wouldn't be an issue with the use of dreads by white persons or models.
Right now they're seen as a form of empowerment, almost (though not directly analogous) like reclaiming a slur.
Think about how, for years, many gay persons decided that they would intentionally "act more gay" as a form of rebellion, because it would be expected for them to not act in such a way. Likewise, for many black persons, having cornrows is not only a protective hairstyle but is a form of protest.
To have the thing you are mocked for and now using as protest taken by the very people who seemingly repeatedly tell you to remove them is cultural appropriation, because they don't understand the significance that it holds. Thats why there is a distinct difference between (for example) buying native American art from native Americans, or buying native American art from persons who have no connection to the culture. One is a form of supporting the people who made it, making an active effort to understand their needs, and the other is buying it because it's cheap or just simply cute.
So, this is technically cultural appropriation for the reasons mentioned above.
Also, I don't think its right for a work place to say a hairstyle which protects an ethnic groups form of hair texture is inherently unprofessional. Tattoos and piercings? Understandable. A hair texture they can't control which either requires a protective style, sometimes hundreds of pounds of products, or shaving? I think it's unreasonable.
Canerows are just a way of keeping curly hair in an organised way.

All cultures and ethnicities have some form of curly hair, and canerows are just one way of managing them.
Original post by z-hog
Cultural appropriation is one of those things coked up in Uni departments flogging tailor-made 'studies' to people who can't do anything academical, their money is as good as anybody's. Then they come out waving their 'diplomas' in everybody's faces and get the hump when nobody cares and they find out they're useless in the real world, that's when they start *****ing against the system that fails to appreciate them.

Ditto for Gender Studies.
Original post by princetonalec
To have the thing you are mocked for and now using as protest taken by the very people who seemingly repeatedly tell you to remove them is cultural appropriation, because they don't understand the significance that it holds.

Comme Des Garçons banned cornrows in school?

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