Question about F1 rotation

My first F1 rotation is Breast and Endo surgery. So is Endo - Endocrine surgery or is it Endoscopic surgery? And if it's endoscopic - is it breast endoscopy only or general endoscopy? I've written to my foundation school to check with them as well, till I hear from them can someone shed some light?

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Democracy

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Original post by SashaW

My first F1 rotation is Breast and Endo surgery. So is Endo - Endocrine surgery or is it Endoscopic surgery? And if it's endoscopic - is it breast endoscopy only or general endoscopy? I've written to my foundation school to check with them as well, till I hear from them can someone shed some light?

I would imagine it's endocrine surgery. Never heard of a job in "endoscopic surgery".

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username5228472

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Original post by Democracy

I would imagine it's endocrine surgery. Never heard of a job in "endoscopic surgery".

Thanks

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Helenia

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Endocrine - most likely thyroids and stuff. Maybe phaeos in a bigger more exciting centre.

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username5228472

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Original post by Helenia

Endocrine - most likely thyroids and stuff. Maybe phaeos in a bigger more exciting centre.

Thank you

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nexttime

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I think if you asked an endoscopist to remove a breast it wouldn't go very well.

(edited 4 years ago)

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Es0phagus

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you've been through med school and you thought 'breast endoscopy' was a thing? are you for real?

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username5228472

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Original post by nexttime

I think if you asked an endoscopist to remove a breast it wouldn't go very well.

Actually breast endoscopic surgery have been around for some time. Mostly reserved for CA breast. The articles below will say it much better than me though!

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ipg296/resources/keyhole-surgery-to-remove-breast-tissue-to-treat-breast-cancer-pdf-311160493
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16936445
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21128113
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0150310

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nexttime

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Original post by SashaW

Actually breast endoscopic surgery have been around for some time. Mostly reserved for CA breast. The articles below will say it much better than me though!

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ipg296/resources/keyhole-surgery-to-remove-breast-tissue-to-treat-breast-cancer-pdf-311160493
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16936445
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21128113
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0150310

Haha fair enough. In common useage though, 'endoscopist' or 'endoscopy' would mean GI endoscopy though. Others seem to stick to anatomical names.

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Jckc123

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interesting. i did breast surgery as a F1 and ive never been/seen any operations that utilise endoscopic surgery.
will be curious regarding success/recurrence rate compared to open surgeries.

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username5228472

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Original post by Es0phagus

you've been through med school and you thought 'breast endoscopy' was a thing? are you for real?

Endoscopic mastectomy and endoscopic wide local excision for breast cancer are very much real. The procedures have been in practice since the early 2000s at least, to my knowledge. I was lucky enough to have scrubbed into a few of these procedures where I was studying. Not sure how prevalent they are in the UK though. You might find the following links interesting, perhaps eye-opening. https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ipg296/resources/keyhole-surgery-to-remove-breast-tissue-to-treat-breast-cancer-pdf-311160493https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16936445https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21128113https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4115765/https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0150310

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artful_lounger

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Are you being paid to advertise that webpage? You've linked it with virtually the same remarks 3 times.

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username5228472

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Original post by artful_lounger

Are you being paid to advertise that webpage? You've linked it with virtually the same remarks 3 times.

Nope. I linked it twice to answer people’s questions, not sure why my reply was posted another time, probably by mistake. If you look at the webpages, they were published in early to mid 2000s, would be a bit late in the day to be advertising, wouldn’t you think?

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username5228472

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Original post by nexttime

Haha fair enough. In common useage though, 'endoscopist' or 'endoscopy' would mean GI endoscopy though. Others seem to stick to anatomical names.

Sure, in my experience though, it’s best not to assume and just ask. Some people will actually answer, while others will post smart comments questioning your intelligence for asking the question, I suppose they love a bit of banter :tongue:

(edited 4 years ago)

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username5228472

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Original post by SashaW

Nope. I linked it twice to answer people’s questions, not sure why my reply was posted another time, probably by mistake. If you look at the webpages, they were published in early to mid 2000s, would be a bit late in the day to be advertising, wouldn’t you think?

Also, I started this thread just to clarify my first rotation. And two people answered me and I thought that was it, I got my answer. Later though, instead of answering my question, a few people seemed to think breast endoscopy surgery doesn’t exist and I’m the idiot for asking about something that doesn’t exist. So when I post the evidence that it does (in the form of published studies) your first consideration is I’m getting paid for it? So I made up a question and posted it here to get paid to advertise studies some of which were done decades ago? :smile:

Nice one

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username5228472

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Original post by Jckc123

interesting. i did breast surgery as a F1 and ive never been/seen any operations that utilise endoscopic surgery.
will be curious regarding success/recurrence rate compared to open surgeries.

Not sure how prevalent they are in the UK tbh, but where I trained, I did get to see some. Not all patients are eligible for it, depends on the size and location of the tumour, there is minimal scarring as compared to open, not sure about success rates though!
Can you tell me what your typical week was like in breast surgery? It’s my first rotation so I’m keen to know..Whatever you can tell me about your time there would be v helpful :smile:

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Es0phagus

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Original post by SashaW