UK Policeman Suspended After Kneeling on Kneck of Black Man

Love all the armchair policemen in this thread who have absolutely no clue what kind of scumbags the police deal with on a regular basis. What’s happened here is wrong, but that doesn’t mean that the police should suddenly take a hands off approach. You have absolutely no idea who they deal with.

I would imagine, that is you are not trained to be in such situations, you also haven’t been in those situations, therefore your airy fairy opinion of how crime actually is, is complete ********.

You've seen the borderline-riot "situations" in recent weeks, where attendees of unlicensed music event have violently turned on police when they tried to close them down.

Sky News reports 140 officers injured in recent weeks (https://news.sky.com/story/around-140-officers-injured-in-london-during-protests-and-illegal-parties-12015186). Do you seriously think 'talking to' these crowds will immediately de-escalate them?!

People will attack police. It happens on a daily basis. You can't blame officers for using force to gain compliance when the risk of injury to them is very real. No level of social training will make 'talking' to crowds an effective solution. Sadly in all too many cases, force is the only way to stop disorder.

There is not one person in the country who could disarm a man with a knife and not be a serious risk of being stabbed himself, police should do a lot more training in restraints and martial arts but it only goes so far.

If they are suspected of having a weapon, being restrained fast should be the first thing that should happen before they get a chance to use it or run and use on the public. I've tried de-escalating situations who people very drunk and coked up, their mothers wouldn't be able to calm them down never mind a stranger.

Male extremely violent (as above)

Male was wanted on a recall to prison (aka being sent back to prison as he had breached his conditions of release)

Male had a knife

Male violently resisted officers

Your very first post stated that I’m “conflating this with racism” but yet where was race or racism used ?

Just because someone is a criminal does not make them less human❤️

I would be more interested to know what happened BEFORE the officer used such a tactic. Otherwise I will assume the police are in the right

He was restrained lmao, he was cuffed. Would he use his teeth to stab? The choke hold did nothing except showcase the police’s ineptitude

So kneeling on the neck or head after handcuffing a suspect is understandable then, right? OMG.

I wasn't referring to that specific man but armed men in general.


I didn't like watching that and was thinking it was too much at the time, but after seeing an arrest for a knife was made and given he wasn't a big officer and the other was a woman I don't care that much. He should get a telling off and more training but nothing else.

Controlling the head/neck often you get to control the whole body so I am for the use for it with some individuals. They will be uncomfortable for seconds but they would be too if they are being controlled with an arm up their back . If used by police trained in chokes then they are safer to than using batons and tasers on somebody fighting them, you can put a violent offender unconscious in seconds to get him cuffed and restrained with no damage to him.

An example of how effective they are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSVHgReJnew

I am not advocating the use of this choke on people that are just resisting arrest but when confronted with real violence.

You have no idea about the experiences of people who post on these threads though. Some posters may have had some very valid experiences of working with or dealing with police officers. How would you know?
And no one said that the police should take a "hands off approach"! Those are your words and don't appear anywhere else.
And law breakers are not animals; they still have some rights! I am sure you are not trying to tell us that kneeling on the head or neck of a suspect is an acceptable restraint method?-'---or are you??

They can obviously use hands on approaches but kneeling on a neck was not/ never should be resorted to lmao. I don’t know why y’all are working so hard to justify this when even the Met have criticised neck chokes



Well the Met chief who is very trained gave his opinion that chokes of this nature are never recommended so your appeal to authority fallacy is baseless, invalid and null

I'm working to justify a strong police force that is not afraid to enforce the law. Police Officers now are getting absolutely pulled apart for simply doing their jobs, which is to enforce the law. The thing I find so ironic about this is you literally have no clue what it's like out there. The only time you'll realise is when you personally get bitten in the arse by it, either by being beaten up, then turning to the police who have absolutely no idea where to start, or say for example if you have your house broken into, and then you realise that the police in this regards are as much use a chocolate teapot.


I've said this in many threads lately because it is 100% correct, our police are not racist, nor are they heavy handed, nor are they brutal. They are institutionally weak, massively weak. The fact that only 9% of crime actually gets solved proves this. This one off case of a knee for a few seconds does not change the fact that our police are hopeless.

Shipman, Neilson, Sutcliffe etc... all of those are subhuman, i imagine most sensible people would concur with this.

Pretty sure that they are still judged within the restrictions of their human rights so still human yes?

They are both equally defendable because using neck chokes are *wrong* no matter what.

I have experience of working with the police, I see these kind of people every single day. I should point out here, it's very simplistic, but if you don't break the law in anyway then this doesn't affect you anyway, does it?

I also would not compare some of these 'law breakers' to animals, however some are extremely violent with a long history of violent crime. Sometimes, the only way to deal with them is to get them handcuffed by whatever means possible. Kneeling on the neck is not an acceptable restraint method, but going back to the base point is that if this person in question didn't break the law in the first place then this wouldn't have happened, would it?

I'm working to justify a strong police force that is not afraid to enforce the law. Police Officers now are getting absolutely pulled apart for simply doing their jobs, which is to enforce the law. The thing I find so ironic about this is you literally have no clue what it's like out there. The only time you'll realise is when you personally get bitten in the arse by it, either by being beaten up, then turning to the police who have absolutely no idea where to start, or say for example if you have your house broken into, and then you realise that the police in this regards are as much use a chocolate teapot.


I've said this in many threads lately because it is 100% correct, our police are not racist, nor are they heavy handed, nor are they brutal. They are institutionally weak, massively weak. The fact that only 9% of crime actually gets solved proves this. This one off case of a knee for a few seconds does not change the fact that our police are hopeless.

This one man is clearly not a crowd so what exactly is your point ?

Just because someone is a criminal does not make them less human❤️ f*ck your respectability politics. Criminal or not did the police know all that at the time?

My point was that assaults on police are almost an everyday occurrence - only a few weeks ago a Met PC was stabbed while trying to detain another male with a knife (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53365622). Police officers should not avoid using force, and risk being stabbed, just to appease keyboard warriors who think they are experts on policing.


Yes - somebody who is a criminal, who is in possession of a knife, who has a violent criminal record, has been convicted of breaking a woman's eye socket, who has also broken a man's jaw and who is on recall to prison IS less human. They have no place in society and deserve to be thrown in a cell and left. Marcus Coutain is far from a saviour as you seem to paint him to be. I think it's fair to say the police knew many of these details - they didn't randomly restrain him on the floor and then, by any stroke of luck, discover he was a violent criminal in possession of a knife.

Nathan - you're like a Jack-In-The-Box. You jump up and appear, just to throw your anti-police agenda around and defend violent criminals. The fact you have so much sympathy with violent, knife-wielding criminals says a lot more about you than anything else.

Well are you talking about peoples perceptions on them or the literalist interpretation of them being 'human'? The former being obviously they are subhuman and the second being patently a ridiculous argument to advance.

1. He didn’t use a ‘neck choke’
2. Two things can be wrong with one being more wrong.

But really, do I have a great deal of sympathy for someone who had a knee on their neck for 10 seconds after they’d been carrying a knife, not really.

Yes - somebody who is a criminal, who is in possession of a knife, who has a violent criminal record, has been convicted of breaking a woman's eye socket, who has also broken a man's jaw and who is on recall to prison IS less human. They have no place in society and deserve to be thrown in a cell and left. Marcus Coutain is far from a saviour as you seem to paint him to be. I think it's fair to say the police knew many of these details - they didn't randomly restrain him on the floor and then, by any stroke of luck, discover he was a violent criminal in possession of a knife.

Nathan - you're like a Jack-In-The-Box. You jump up and appear, just to throw your anti-police agenda around and defend violent criminals. The fact you have so much sympathy with violent, knife-wielding criminals says a lot more about you than anything else.