What is you're view on the celebrations of Margaret thatcher's death?

I don't agree with it, I wouldn't do it, but I'm also not the thought police. I don't think anyone should be doing it in public, and I do think the funeral should be left well alone - that's not about her, that's about her family; her children and grandchildren weren't involved in what she did while she was running the country - whether your opinion on that is good or bad.
My mum's foster mum had a glass of champagne. She was a labour MP in Lancashire (and we live in an old mining town - my brother's high school is built on the site of an old mine) while Thatcher was in and personally had to deal with people who couldn't get jobs etc. so I don't really blame her for being happy that the woman who caused her that grief is gone. But she didn't do it in public, she didn't post on her Facebook, she didn't tell many people and it certainly won't get back to the Thatcher family that she did it.
You're perfectly entitled to have your own feelings about Thatcher, and even to be happy that she's dead. But openly celebrating in public is disrespectful and I dislike that it's happening.

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medbh4805

20

I don't really see the point. We all die at some point. They haven't won or achieved anything by her dying, so I don't really see what they're celebrating - it's not a political victory, just an old woman succumbing to old age, like all of us will do at some point. tbh I find it pretty horrible and really bad taste, as much as I dislike her politics.

Reply 22

mc1000

13

I don't agree with anyone celebrating anyone's death - Margaret Thatcher is no exception.

However, I would say that these celebrations are considerably less insulting and tactless than David Cameron's assertion that she "saved our country". A thoroughly insensitive thing to say.

Reply 23

Miracle Day

21

I find it hilarious. Complain about the poor becoming poorer, and then spending money buying the song "Ding Dong the witch is dead" and causing distruption on our streets.

Reply 24

g_star_raw_1989

15

People can do what they like.

Although those going out of their way to celebrate seem to just be attention seeking.

Reply 25

stefl14

15

Original post by mc1000

I don't agree with anyone celebrating anyone's death - Margaret Thatcher is no exception.

However, I would say that these celebrations are considerably less insulting and tactless than David Cameron's assertion that she "saved our country". A thoroughly insensitive thing to say.

Yet it's the truth, if we are talking in economic terms.

Reply 26

thunder_chunky

19

Many of the scrotes that are taking part probably weren't even born and may not have even been affected by her policies and what she did. I reckon a lot of them are just jumping on the bandwagon who think they have an argument because they learnt about what she did at school.
If they want to be a **** for the sake of being a **** then let them. The rest of us will plod on as usual.

Reply 27

MrFlash1994

8

I wish everyone would shut up about these people not knowing about her policies. How do you know they don't? People are entitled to believe what they want and act in whatever way they see fit. What law is being broken? We can throw ourselves into the streets in mourning, but no one can be happy for the death of an enemy of the working classes! Fair enough you don't see it that way, but many do. And many have felt and lived through the Thatcher years. The pain and the suffering of the older generations have been passed on to the younger generations. The hatred for Thatcher is part of working class historical memory. Tell a young man, who has grown up in a devastation and poverty stricken but once thriving mining community in South Wales that he shouldn't hate Thatcher and everything that she did. Police violence, mass demonisation through the media, starvation brought on through legislation, just some of the weapons used by Thatcher to break the unions and the working class. I don't see any reason for such a man to have any form of respect for her.

And that's not to mention the vile ideology that has permeated through every section of British society to this day, so much so that it has had affected human consciousness. Thatcherism. Greed, selfishness, avarice, masquerading as "ambition". She represented Capitalism in the raw, unrestrained and merciless. We were told to get rich at the expense of others, that there was no such thing as a society, only individuals. It is exactly this mentality why we are in such a grave economic crisis we are in today. Why the current government spends more and more on the privileges for the rich and for MPs, yet denies the necessities for survival to the poor. She also managed to bend one of the true working class institutions of Britain, the Labour Party, into the right wing mess it is today.

There is so much more to say too. So I'll answer OP's question by saying I drank to her death on Tuesday, and I will be doing so again tonight, after a long discussion with some friends over her policies and impact on Britain. However the battle is not yet over. Thatcherism is still alive and thriving in Britain, and I won't truly celebrated until we are completely rid of it.

I hate her, I hate everything that she did and stood for. Love her if you want, but please don't tell me not to hate her.

Reply 28

MrFlash1994

8

Original post by katehlouise

I think it's disgusting. Now I wasn't alive when she was PM and I don't really know the full extent of what she did, but she's still a person. She had family. To celebrate a persons death is horrible. At least have the decency to stay quiet with the hate.

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I know a Spanish woman, and her husband who have spent many years of their lives in Spain fighting against Francisco Franco's dictatorship. On 20th November 1975 Franco died. She and her husband drank a bottle of champagne to mark the occasion.

If we follow your logic, then this behavior is morally reprehensible. Do you really think that is the case?

(edited 11 years ago)

Reply 29

gypsyclimber

12

I cannot help but find it unsettling to see any human being celebrating the death of any other human being, regardless of who they are.

Reply 30

marcusfox

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Original post by MrFlash1994

I know a Spanish woman, and her husband who have spent many years of their lives in Spain fighting against Francisco Franco's dictatorship. On 20th November 1975 Franco died. She and her husband drank a bottle of campaign to mark the occasion.

If we follow your logic, then this behavior is morally reprehensible. Do you really think that is the case?

LOL

Reply 31

mc1000

13

Original post by stefl14

Yet it's the truth, if we are talking in economic terms.

How, in economic terms, can she be said to have "saved the country" when her legacy has involved the worst recession since the Great Depression? How, in economic terms, can she be said to have saved the country when former mining towns remain in economic ruin? How can she be said to have saved the country when the families of thousands of miners are forced into benefits from the costly welfare state, which perhaps would not have been necessary had the mines not been closed or poll tax enforced?

Granted, she may have improved the country on a global scale throughout the 1980s - but let's not forget that in doing so she ruined the lives of many, and that the consequences of this are showing today. Her legacy continues to ruin the country.

Reply 32

MrFlash1994

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Original post by marcusfox

LOL

Edited. You got anything else to say?

Reply 33

marcusfox

16

Original post by MrFlash1994

Edited. You got anything else to say?

I do actually...

Original post by MrFlash1994

I wish everyone would shut up about these people not knowing about her policies. How do you know they don't? People are entitled to believe what they want and act in whatever way they see fit. What law is being broken? We can throw ourselves into the streets in mourning, but no one can be happy for the death of an enemy of the working classes! Fair enough you don't see it that way, but many do. And many have felt and lived through the Thatcher years. The pain and the suffering of the older generations have been passed on to the younger generations. The hatred for Thatcher is part of working class historical memory. Tell a young man, who has grown up in a devastation and poverty stricken but once thriving mining community in South Wales that he shouldn't hate Thatcher and everything that she did. Police violence, mass demonisation through the media, starvation brought on through legislation, just some of the weapons used by Thatcher to break the unions and the working class. I don't see any reason for such a man to have any form of respect for her.

And that's not to mention the vile ideology that has permeated through every section of British society to this day, so much so that it has had affected human consciousness. Thatcherism. Greed, selfishness, avarice, masquerading as "ambition". She represented Capitalism in the raw, unrestrained and merciless. We were told to get rich at the expense of others, that there was no such thing as a society, only individuals. It is exactly this mentality why we are in such a grave economic crisis we are in today. Why the current government spends more and more on the privileges for the rich and for MPs, yet denies the necessities for survival to the poor. She also managed to bend one of the true working class institutions of Britain, the Labour Party, into the right wing mess it is today.

There is so much more to say too. So I'll answer OP's question by saying I drank to her death on Tuesday, and I will be doing so again tonight, after a long discussion with some friends over her policies and impact on Britain. However the battle is not yet over. Thatcherism is still alive and thriving in Britain, and I won't truly celebrated until we are completely rid of it.

I hate her, I hate everything that she did and stood for. Love her if you want, but please don't tell me not to hate her.

So, let me ask you what would you have done, considering these industries were expensive failures? How is it the government's fault when a national industry costs more to run than it brings in, and it costs more to dig coal out of Wales (or anywhere else in the UK) than import from Australia?

Do you, and others like you, stick with a car insurance company that charges you £500 more than another, just to save those people's jobs?

Do you refuse to switch to a cheaper energy supplier because of the effect you leaving British Gas will have on their employees?

Do you heck. You don't throw good money away when you find you can do the same thing for cheaper, you look for the best deal possible and it amazes me that you think a government would be any different.

The previous Labour government were no different, they put twice as many miners out on their arse. Bet your parents forgot to tell you about that when they were railing about Thatcher...

(edited 11 years ago)

Reply 34

stefl14

15

Original post by MrFlash1994

I wish everyone would shut up about these people not knowing about her policies. How do you know they don't? People are entitled to believe what they want and act in whatever way they see fit. What law is being broken? We can throw ourselves into the streets in mourning, but no one can be happy for the death of an enemy of the working classes! Fair enough you don't see it that way, but many do. And many have felt and lived through the Thatcher years. The pain and the suffering of the older generations have been passed on to the younger generations. The hatred for Thatcher is part of working class historical memory. Tell a young man, who has grown up in a devastation and poverty stricken but once thriving mining community in South Wales that he shouldn't hate Thatcher and everything that she did. Police violence, mass demonisation through the media, starvation brought on through legislation, just some of the weapons used by Thatcher to break the unions and the working class. I don't see any reason for such a man to have any form of respect for her.

And that's not to mention the vile ideology that has permeated through every section of British society to this day, so much so that it has had affected human consciousness. Thatcherism. Greed, selfishness, avarice, masquerading as "ambition". She represented Capitalism in the raw, unrestrained and merciless. We were told to get rich at the expense of others, that there was no such thing as a society, only individuals. It is exactly this mentality why we are in such a grave economic crisis we are in today. Why the current government spends more and more on the privileges for the rich and for MPs, yet denies the necessities for survival to the poor. She also managed to bend one of the true working class institutions of Britain, the Labour Party, into the right wing mess it is today.

There is so much more to say too. So I'll answer OP's question by saying I drank to her death on Tuesday, and I will be doing so again tonight, after a long discussion with some friends over her policies and impact on Britain. However the battle is not yet over. Thatcherism is still alive and thriving in Britain, and I won't truly celebrated until we are completely rid of it.

I hate her, I hate everything that she did and stood for. Love her if you want, but please don't tell me not to hate her.

One of the most uninformed lefty posts I've read.

Reply 35

MrFlash1994

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Original post by stefl14

One of the most uninformed lefty posts I've read.

Is that a criticism? Would you mind going into more detail. Calling me left wing is hardly an insult either, I consider it a complement.

Reply 36

marcusfox

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Original post by stefl14

One of the most uninformed lefty posts I've read.

I don't think the blinkered and bigoted left want to get the Maggie thing cluttered up with facts. They're far too dim and eternally entrenched in the land of make believe, and their fantasies about 'wicked witches' (how ironic) to understand that their fairy land doesn't exist and never did, and neither does a Socialist Utopia anywhere in the world.

It all comes down to the fact that they aren't man enough to accept that they were totally out thought and out fought by a woman, who reclaimed the country from mob rule by the trades union movement.

If they enjoy living on hatred and bile, that is their problem. It is a shame that their bigotry blinds them to the truth that it was the likes of them and their ilk that so nearly ruined the country, and did badly damage our industries and cause massive unemployment.

What a good job THE COUNTRY elected someone - THREE TIMES - who had the guts to stand up to them...

(edited 11 years ago)

Reply 37

therisenmitten

12

I didn't even feel right when people were celebrating Bin Laden's death.
I just don't like the idea of celebrating someone's death, however much you disliked them.

Reply 38

medbh4805

20

Original post by MrFlash1994

I know a Spanish woman, and her husband who have spent many years of their lives in Spain fighting against Francisco Franco's dictatorship. On 20th November 1975 Franco died. She and her husband drank a bottle of champagne to mark the occasion.

If we follow your logic, then this behavior is morally reprehensible. Do you really think that is the case?

Franco's death meant the end of his reign as Caudillo and is widely agreed to be the starting point of the Spanish transition to democracy. Thatcher had been out of politics for 20 years and her death brings nothing new. It's not an equivalent situation at all. What is there to celebrate? She died like all of us will do.

Reply 39

conorm11

My reasoning behind celebrating that woman's death is simple. She didn't care about Northern Ireland and managed, almost single-handedly to bring the IRA to Britain.

It didn't matter to Thatcher that people were dieing on the streets of Belfast and Derry, that people in Omagh and Dungannon were trying to live through the sound of bombs going off. It shows how little she cared that the IRA tried to kill her! It was the first time since 1880 that any Irish Nationalist Group attacked British shores, that was before they had any sort of independence at all.

Thatcher didn't care about the working class individual in any part of her country, but my God did she show a complete disregard for the Irish.

I celebrated her death, much like i would have celebrated Hitler's death, or Stalin's or any other mindless dictator and do you know what, i haven't seen one single argument as to why we shouldn't celebrate it! All i have heard is meaningless emotive rhetoric of disrespect. She won't come back and haunt me for pete's sake! If you people agreed with Thatcher and Thatcherism then fine, but don't tell me how to feel over that woman, you didn't with any other leader. And trust me, i'll celebrate the day the war hunting, faux left Blair dies, so don't call me hypocritical.

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