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The Wolf of Wall Street?

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Reply 60
Original post by pane123
What do you mean what 'other' depth? There is none.

Was there any guilt or remorse? We didn't see a single victim. There was plenty of potential for depth.


Again, based on the book, which if you read it is based on Belfort's perspective. Its a biographical account. Its illogical to say its should have had a few different perspectives when the thing it was based on only had one perspective. S
Reply 61
Original post by S-man10
Again, based on the book, which if you read it is based on Belfort's perspective. Its a biographical account. Its illogical to say its should have had a few different perspectives when the thing it was based on only had one perspective. S


I have read it, but it is unnecessary for a film to stay quite so true to a biographical account. It was one sided and bland. I didn't think it offered any insight to the greed and excess of the financial world that we haven't seen before and I would suggest Scorcese shouldn't have bothered making it.
Reply 62
Original post by sectumsempra
I really enjoyed it, it is long but I never felt that it was being dragged out. Leonardo DiCaprio did a really good job of portraying Belfort and actually made me like him, I want to read the book now.
I watched a few interviews and clips from Belfort's seminars and he is very motivating and charismatic.



What? How the hell could you like him after watching the film? Women...
Original post by Jordooooom
What? How the hell could you like him after watching the film? Women...


Apart from the part where he hit his wife, I found him to be quite likeable.
Reply 64
Original post by VladThe1mpaler
Apart from the part where he hit his wife, I found him to be quite likeable.


Course you would. Because you were brainwashed by the charismatic portrayal... Forget about the fact he was a cheat, greedy and betrayed many people in the end, drove while intoxicated and his victims who in real life he still owes money to. yet apparently he is trying to get out of that too.
Reply 65
Original post by pane123
I have read it, but it is unnecessary for a film to stay quite so true to a biographical account. It was one sided and bland. I didn't think it offered any insight to the greed and excess of the financial world that we haven't seen before and I would suggest Scorcese shouldn't have bothered making it.


In this case, it is very necessary to show the "excess". The whole theme of the book is that. It was needed to be one sided and there were no two sides. Bland it sure wasn't as the seasoning was perfect and oh yes, it did offer the insight into the greed, mainly by showing all the excess that existed in Belfort's life.

Now for Scorcese would have been someone else. don't think anyone better than Dicaprio is capable of playing Belfort
Reply 66
I've seen it. It was 99% porn, 1% movie. Awkward when you're watching it and sitting right next to your parents. :colonhash:
Original post by Bloxorus
It was definitely long but that's a good thing when you're enjoying it so much!


That's what she said (sorry, I couldn't resist).

But yeah I thought the film was great - DiCaprio is definitely better in more outrageous, even villainous roles, than as a hero.
Original post by Jordooooom
Course you would. Because you were brainwashed by the charismatic portrayal... Forget about the fact he was a cheat, greedy and betrayed many people in the end, drove while intoxicated and his victims who in real life he still owes money to. yet apparently he is trying to get out of that too.


The majority of people he took money from (in the film anyway) were rich. I don't care if he cheated them.
Reply 69
Original post by VladThe1mpaler
The majority of people he took money from (in the film anyway) were rich. I don't care if he cheated them.


I wasn't talking about them. What about the gullable poor people near the beginning?
I thought the film was fairly amusing but in the end over-hyped and far too long. Wow, depict excess by making film excessively long and filled with excess: so contro much wow. The acting was good, I'll admit though it did seem a little as if Di Caprio just rehashed and evolved his Gatsby persona.
Original post by Jordooooom
I wasn't talking about them. What about the gullable poor people near the beginning?


Yeah I felt bad for them. But as you said, the portrayal was so charming that you will forgive him for almost anything he does.

I have a feeling you think that I believe he is likeable in real life, I don't. I have no idea what he is like in real life I just think that the film portrayal of him is likeable. The same way that Henry Hill from Goodfellas was likeable even though he was a criminal, murderer, drug addict and betrayed everyone who trusted him.
Reply 72
Original post by Mr Porter
it did seem a little as if Di Caprio just rehashed and evolved his Gatsby persona.


I'm not so sure about that. We've established that he plays the troubled anti-hero in every film but I think his portrayal of Gatsby was more like that of his of Howard Hughes than Belfort. Both were odd and obsessed.
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Reply 73
I liked it... but I did leave feeling awkward and uncomfortable, and not just in an angry-at-society way, irritated at how it creates these people every day, but just... awkward without real explanation. I loved the casting, acting, and really liked the script. It was very well shot and extremely well paced in my opinion - didn't feel overly long at all despite knowing the overall time. I thought it could have done a little more care and thought, which is a daft thing to say considering its creators and artists would have spent every waking hour during production over-thinking it. Yet, that was what I left with. Maybe it's just the feminist in me (although what I felt was lacking wasn't inherently something gender related).

When we got out of the cinema my boyfriend really awkwardly pretended to imitate the punch to the stomach that Leo gave his wife towards the end. He just mimed it, but it absolutely stunned me and gave the whole experience and film a strange sour feeling. He knows I have strong intolerance to dv jokes so... yeah. Was odd. If we had been watching a genuine documentary about dv he wouldn't have felt inclined to imitate the actions - so why did this film seem to make it ok? Obviously it was a 'joke' but he really didn't seem to understand the issue with it, whereas I was truly affected for the rest of the day.



Original post by Nerd2
Yeah that was hilarious! Apparently some people with cerebral palsy were offended by that scene.


Who? I saw the film with my friend, who has palsy. He didn't give a crap, he laughed just as much as everyone around him.
Reply 74
Original post by awe
I liked it... but I did leave feeling awkward and uncomfortable, and not just in an angry-at-society way, irritated at how it creates these people every day, but just... awkward without real explanation. I loved the casting, acting, and really liked the script. It was very well shot and extremely well paced in my opinion - didn't feel overly long at all despite knowing the overall time. I thought it could have done a little more care and thought, which is a daft thing to say considering its creators and artists would have spent every waking hour during production over-thinking it. Yet, that was what I left with. Maybe it's just the feminist in me (although what I felt was lacking wasn't inherently something gender related).

When we got out of the cinema my boyfriend really awkwardly pretended to imitate the punch to the stomach that Leo gave his wife towards the end. He just mimed it, but it absolutely stunned me and gave the whole experience and film a strange sour feeling. He knows I have strong intolerance to dv jokes so... yeah. Was odd. If we had been watching a genuine documentary about dv he wouldn't have felt inclined to imitate the actions - so why did this film seem to make it ok? Obviously it was a 'joke' but he really didn't seem to understand the issue with it, whereas I was truly affected for the rest of the day.





Who? I saw the film with my friend, who has palsy. He didn't give a crap, he laughed just as much as everyone around him.


http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/jan/15/wolf-of-wall-street-disability-cerebral-palsy
Reply 75


Interesting, but I wonder if it's just the disability advocates who are preemptively and perhaps rather sensitively getting offended on behalf of others or whether there is genuinely a community who are themselves disabled and were truly offended and insulted by the scenes.

A comment on the gu article - 'Because obviously the fictional dialogue of a dissolute, capitalist nincompoop represents the views of the entire cast and crew and gives anything they say a seal of public acceptability.'
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Original post by Jordooooom
What? How the hell could you like him after watching the film? Women...


I honestly have no idea..
Reply 77
Original post by sectumsempra
I honestly have no idea..


He's fun, that's why. While he was certainly not a good person he never came across as malicious, just selfish and greedy.

As for people saying it has no moral center, remember back to the boat and subway scenes. While your honest FBI agent goes home in an old suit on the subway, Belfort plays tennis in prison for 2 years.
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Its an awesome movie :smile:
Reply 79
Original post by fedricklawson
Its an awesome movie :smile:


It sure is I have the Ebook there i am going to read soon :biggrin:

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