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    (Original post by yudothis)
    Great idea.

    You guys are just closet transgender phobes. Maybe if you had been taught to see it as normal from a young age you wouldn't be so scared.
    Showing an 11 year old take drugs and talk about sexual things on CBBC to children as young as 6 is good to you?
    Call me a phobe all you want, that's downright wrong.
    All this show could do is confuse a bunch of 6 year old boys who think playing with your sister's toys or wearing your mum's dresses makes you a girl, which unfortunately, the mother might believe.
    Kids say a bunch of ridiculous things, don't convince them to jump the gun and actually make them think that they truly are whatever they think there are. This limitless "be who you want to be" logic is unrealistic and damaging.
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    I have always discussed things like this with my children with no harm and it has meant that now they are adults, as far as they are concerned, people are people and their gender, sexuality, disability status etc, is just a part of them and they accept and do not 'fear' it. My parents did the same with us, I think mainly because one of their friends after many years of depression and suicide attempts made the decision to transition and they needed to explain to us why all of a sudden he was dressing and living as a female openly...the explanation was far more understandable to us than the confusion caused before the explanation.

    With regards to giving drugs to young children, not sure how it is perfectly ok to give drugs to control behaviour (Ritalin etc) which does have a very damaging impact on them when there are other methods available but not ok to merely pause puberty until the child is mature enough to make their own informed decision.
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    HuffPo is the leftist-equivalent of DM... it's full of garbage.
    My answer was from my own knowledge as well as the huffington post. The source I used in the huffington post was from a trans woman who is a journalist (not associated with the huffington post) and presenter.
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    (Original post by _gcx)
    Generally speaking, unless the content of a program is either disturbing, or illegal (or otherwise subject to guideline, ie. pornography etc.), it shouldn't be pulled from the air, in my opinion. I'm not supporting nor opposing this programme, I apply this to all programmes, regardless of genre or nature. I don't see how this is damaging to children in any way, since it is not actively encouraging this behaviour, rather portraying it.

    What I find more disturbing is the fact that it's portraying stereotypes such as "dolls = girls, sport = boys", which are harmful to society. I'm probably sounding like a true SJW now, but it is a harmful concept.
    I can't help but feel that those stereotypes are the entire reason for people identifying as the other gender - I mean at the end of the day we're all the same but with different fishing tackle

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    (Original post by mojojojo101)
    You do realise that using words like degeneracy belies your true intentions right, that you dont actually give a toss about the mental well being of the children involved, you just dont like the idea of trans people.
    I have nothing against trans people. If somebody is truly uncomfortable in their own body and the only way they can feel better is to live as the opposite sex or even recieve gender reassignment treatment (provided they are a consenting adult), then all power to them.

    What I am against, is giving irreversible and life changing gender reassignment treatments to pre-pubescent children, at an age where they are highly suggestible, could never fully comprehend the long term consequences of such actions, and thus cannot give their informed consent. That in my opinion is degeneracy.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    But the possibility of being transgender isn't "waved in their face constantly" at all. Quite the opposite - being cisgender is "waved in their face constantly", all the time, ubiquitously. And there's nothing inherently wrong with that - the vast majority of people are cisgender. But having the occasional piece of media about being transgender directed at kids lets them know that being transgender is also OK if they ever feel they are.

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    There isn't a direct programme taught to kids about cisgenderism and sexual attraction etc. Nothing sexual should be directed at children
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    (Original post by Rohan187)
    Showing an 11 year old take drugs and talk about sexual things on CBBC to children as young as 6 is good to you?
    Call me a phobe all you want, that's downright wrong.
    All this show could do is confuse a bunch of 6 year old boys who think playing with your sister's toys or wearing your mum's dresses makes you a girl, which unfortunately, the mother might believe.
    Kids say a bunch of ridiculous things, don't convince them to jump the gun and actually make them think that they truly are whatever they think there are. This limitless "be who you want to be" logic is unrealistic and damaging.
    That is your opinion. Others have a different one.

    The only thing that's damaging is your outdated perception of the issue.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    That is your opinion. Others have a different one.

    The only thing that's damaging is your outdated perception of the issue.
    It's outdated to ensure that a child isn't brought up differently solely because he/she said they are something different?

    How about you try this, let children be children, rather than allowing them to watching programs where an 11 year old boy attempts to stunt puberty.

    You don't have to state the obvious with opinions again. I'll keep mine to myself since I'm too "backwards"


    (Original post by Wōden)
    I have nothing against trans people. If somebody is truly uncomfortable in their own body and the only way they can feel better is to live as the opposite sex or even recieve gender reassignment treatment (provided they are a consenting adult), then all power to them.

    What I am against, is giving irreversible and life changing gender reassignment treatments to pre-pubescent children, at an age where they are highly suggestible, could never fully comprehend the long term consequences of such actions, and thus cannot give their informed consent. That in my opinion is degeneracy.

    Could not agree more. Well said.
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    (Original post by Rohan187)

    How about you try this, let children be children, rather than allowing them to watching programs where an 11 year old boy attempts to stunt puberty.
    Roughly 0.6% of the population is transgender. That's nearly 400,000 people. Quite a lot of people, no?

    Puberty blockers are safe. Once they are stopped, puberty progresses. If the person realises that they are not in fact transgender, they go through puberty as normal. No harm done.

    If they confirm that they are transgender, they are spared the mental anguish of having to go through an irreversible puberty into a body they cannot recognise as their own.

    It's a win-win to allow children to use puberty blockers.
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    Wrong thread.
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    (Original post by _gcx)
    Generally speaking, unless the content of a program is either disturbing, or illegal (or otherwise subject to guideline, ie. pornography etc.), it shouldn't be pulled from the air, in my opinion. I'm not supporting nor opposing this programme, I apply this to all programmes, regardless of genre or nature. I don't see how this is damaging to children in any way, since it is not actively encouraging this behaviour, rather portraying it.

    What I find more disturbing is the fact that it's portraying stereotypes such as "dolls = girls, sport = boys", which are harmful to society. I'm probably sounding like a true SJW now, but it is a harmful concept.
    We need propaganda and indoctrination laws in all honesty, specifically anything aimed at children. (unless if I'm missing something)
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    (Original post by Cremated_Spatula)
    We need propaganda and indoctrination laws in all honesty.
    But is this either of those things?
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    (Original post by _gcx)
    But is this either of those things?
    I've not seen it so I wouldn't know lol
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    I disliked the stereotyping of gender. So if you are a boy, like playing with dolls and the colour pink, then you're in the wrong body. I said as much on Facebook and a girl said I need to learn about trans kids :rolleyes:
    I have nothing against transgender people, but I think it's being pushed on some young children that they have to decide and label themselves.
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    (Original post by Obiejess)
    Agree with this generally, but the main issue with the programme for me is the idea portrayed that if you like typically boy/girl things and are a girl/boy that makes you transgender. You can be a boy who loves make-up and barbie dolls but still identifies as a boy. I reckon this sort of messaging would be very damaging to children. I say this as a person who at aged 7 asked my parents for a sex change because I wanted to be a boy, because all my friends were boys, I preferred boys clothes and boys toys. Now I'm older I am very much happy being a woman.

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    Pink was my favourite colour. But I could never tell anyone

    Weirdly the one person I did tell and they said the same, are now trans (or something like that). XD
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-as-six-expos/

    A row has erupted over a BBC sex change programme for children as young as six, which follows a transgender schoolboy who takes sex-change drugs.


    Unbelievable.

    If I were the parent of a transgender child, I would allow them to play with whatever they want, but I wouldn't go down the road of having puberty-stopping drugs injected into them until they were much older and aware of the life-changing consequences.

    The BBC should pull the programme.

    Thoughts?
    People don't realise that you're essentially born with your gender and sexuality predetermined already, it's just that we need to discover it. Clearly, these children have realised that they're transgender at a very young age, so while we need to take that into account when making a decision, ultimately it is their body, and they can do what they want with it.

    Also, this is an article by Telegraph reporters for the Telegraph. The Telegraph is widely considered to be more to the right (its Antichrist would be the Guardian), so of course they would make a fuss about it. They know all the techniques that allow them to persuade you subconsciously that they are right (that's the point of a newspaper, to express fact while offering an opinion on it). Therefore,you need to take every word written with a grain of salt, and consider what the writer is trying to say or impart on the reader.

    There is also a question of intention. The BBC is funded almost entirely by central government, and so it has to be impartial. I'm sure the producer of this programme thought that teaching children that everybody is different was the intention of this programme, not to advance some LGBT agenda. Also, one's parents are much more likely to influence one's opinion about LGBT people, and one TV programme isn't going to have a huge effect. Also, as I said, if a child watches this and realises that they are transgender, then doesn't that help the child as well.

    Sorry for being so long. I just wanted to share my musings on the subject.
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    So I decided to watch the actual programme. The issue of hormones was only dealt with very briefly, in which the main character (Amy) discusses with her friend how difficult it is to get prescribed the hormones, a conversation which lasted about 25 seconds. The rest of the programme (the vast majority of it, some 35 minutes long), deals with a girl starting secondary school. She wants to make a new start as a girl, but is nervous of what will happen as there are people at the school who knew her at primary schools before transitioning. The programme mostly focuses around these issues, bullying and the general issues that effect secondary school kids.

    Having watched it, I think it is an issue of making a mountain out of a molehill.
    Haha, what is this trash, it's like a slideshow with a voice over. Do CBBC not have a very big budget nowadays?

    Definitely over-reacting, I don't think many kids would watch this willingly.

    As it goes, considering it's completely fictional, they could use less stereotypes and perhaps not include hormone adjustments at all.
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    (Original post by z33)
    I dont think the idea of educating children on transgenderism is a bad thing - but I dont agree with the kid being shown to take hormones at such a young age. isnt that illegal like dont you have to be 18?

    And also - there are transgender people who never transition so I think the stereotype that all transgender people transition could also be harmful.
    Absolutely this
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    I've never really been into the things that 'normal' females are into, and I was always more masculine than my parents would have liked. I questioned my gender a little when I was very young, and seeing something like this probably wouldn't have helped tbh. It's better to just struggle through the confusion and figure out what you are for yourself. If you need someone to tell you you're trans, you're probably not trans.
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    Too young for kids to learn about this stuff. When i was in primary school even things like racism was confusing as when you just said the word 'black' you'd get a "ommmmmmmm that's racist" :laugh:
 
 
 
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