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    (Original post by seaspray)
    Yes. Either that or they didn't work as hard at school.
    Or they had some kind of difficulties? They may have been unable to work hard. Or, they may have worked hard but not been very academic. One cannot assume that people with lower income jobs are/were not hard working.
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    But is 10-15 quid enough? The government starts all these new programmes but never has enough money to fund them! Look at this new Kelly Hours scheme, they don't put enough towards these schemes so how can they help?
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    (Original post by kellywood_5)
    For your information, since you're tucked away in your posh school in your posh area and have no idea what life is like for people not as fortunate as yourself, most people who receive EMA do want to go to school and get qualifications. Howeevr, they may be under pressure from their parents to quit and get a full-time job to contribute to the upkeep of the family, so if they get money for studying, that will reduce the need for work and encourage them to consider staying on.
    Yes, but the EMA is nothing to do with that. The EMA payment is not intended to subsidise cash which could be attained from working. It is for educational-related purchases, so it will not "reduce the need for work" because if they are required to "contribute to the upkeep of the family" the EMA cannot help there.
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    (Original post by seaspray)
    It certianly should.
    No, because then some have little/less incentive to attend.
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    (Original post by jiggaman7)
    textbooks at a state school near me arent free....you either get one with barely any pages left or pay 20-25 quid a pop for a new one.
    Further proof that EMA money should be given to the school not the student therefore everyone will be able to benefit from nice new textbooks and not just poor people!
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    (Original post by phillipsm)
    Please do not make parallels with the financial support such individuals are entitled to at university - the majority receive 100% of the student loan, and are the only individuals entitled to apply for university bursaries, scholarships, hardship funds, HE grants, travel bursaries, accommodation bursaries and so forth. Basically, they get their university education paid for them. How is that fair for middle class students whose parents can afford to pay, but who are hit hard by the payments?

    Further, you suggest that some individuals use EMA, or should, to pay for driving lessons and so forth. No doubt they do, but this is against EMA regulations (which are laxly applied). Further, while education is a right, driving is not. EMA is not meant to facilitate luxuries, or fund a social life, or fund a home life - it is only for educational purposes. And all the more reason for it not to be in the form of cash handouts, but school-issued vouchers instead.
    there arent many of these and nowhere near enough to haev your whole university education paid for...

    is it fair yes....because your parents can afford to pay for university as can mine.....and if they get a 100% loan...whats so good about that they still have to pay it back..its like us getting it from parents
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    (Original post by shyopstv)
    In that case they should not be there because they clearly not interested in getting a qualification at the end of it all
    Yes, but is it not better that they get the qualification at the end of it?
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    (Original post by shyopstv)
    Further proof that EMA money should be given to the school not the student therefore everyone will be able to benefit from nice new textbooks and not just poor people!
    why do only poor peoplebenefit from new txtbooks....rich ppl can pay for them
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    (Original post by seaspray)
    Yes, but the EMA is nothing to do with that. The EMA payment is not intended to subsidise cash which could be attained from working. It is for educational-related purchases, so it will not "reduce the need for work" because if they are required to "contribute to the upkeep of the family" the EMA cannot help there.
    Of course it can because the students who receive EMA can give all or some of it to their parents to help with costs, whereas if they didn't get EMA they'd have to get a job to be able to do this.
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    (Original post by phillipsm)
    Then the school really should be closed down!

    Further, that does not negate the argument that EMA should be in the form of vouchers which can only be used for stationary, textbooks and so forth. Oh - you never did address the issue of transport in my last post...
    That would increase the strain on other schools!
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    But not all people who earn above £30,000 a yearcan
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    (Original post by kellywood_5)
    Of course it can because the students who receive EMA can give all or some of it to their parents to help with costs, whereas if they didn't get EMA they'd have to get a job to be able to do this.
    It's not intended to go to their parents, that is why it is paid into their own bank accounts. It's intention is to pay for educational-related purchases.
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    (Original post by seaspray)
    Yes, but the EMA is nothing to do with that. The EMA payment is not intended to subsidise cash which could be attained from working. It is for educational-related purchases, so it will not "reduce the need for work" because if they are required to "contribute to the upkeep of the family" the EMA cannot help there.
    It may be to support a family, but I think the idea is to encourage people to study. I am getting sick of using the word "incentive" in this thread.
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    (Original post by No Future)
    Yes, but is it not better that they get the qualification at the end of it?
    In that case everyone should get £75 a week EMA because we all want extra money and it will make most of us less likely to drop out
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    (Original post by crazylass)
    well im entitled to my opinion. how can you call my comment naive and stupid. i come from a bad area in london, i have to try very hard to keep myself going in college. about 90% of my college get EMA and I am the one who has to sit there everyday listening to these people interupting my learning. yes everyone talks from time to time but this is constantly to the point my teacher breaks down and cries becasue no one is listening to her and I AM TRYING TO LEARN! Ema was created to try and encourage people to continue to learn. how is it encouraging them to learn when they struggle to get into an A-level class in the first place and when they are there do nothing for themselves but disrupt my learning in the process. it would be extremly ignorant of me to generalise the whole of the UK EMA claimers. i can only talk from experience, and my experience is that the EMA claimers of my college bring disruption. i have actually head them say it for themselves...they only come for the money. some of them sat in the recent exams and slept because they dont want qualifications THEY WANT MONEY!!!!!

    i am entitled to my opinion and my opinion (based on my perceptions from my college) is that EMA is a waste of money, the system is corrupt! i am not against money being given to those "deserving" cases but the governement needs to address this issue. as previous members have said...why isnt the money given directly to the school to buy books etc or the money come in the form of vouchers so it cannot be abused by buying 'shoes' for example!

    this issue sticks very close to my heart. just because my parents get "X" amount of money does not mean i too have the means to support myself. this view is not because i do not recieve EMA...this view is because i do not like to see injustice. i have the same outlay of travel costs and revision books as every other student has afterall.

    i apologise if my language previously offended anyone but i do get very angry and it was a little outburst which perhaps should have stayed inside me :p:

    i am one of the hardest working students in my college who against all odds has worked so hard that i can achieve good grades. i do not appreciate having such an education disrupted by people who would rather not be in the class. surely this is not fair on me (and this is what i mean by a division in my classes)

    i repeat the fact that i am not against EMA payments completly being stopped. just that i wish i could have a fair education like everyone deserves that is not destroyed by people who dont want to go to college. i think if anything is unfair it is this!!!

    Yeah , your right , you are entitled to your opinion , no-ones arguing that.
    However , you are guilty of generalising. Thats what i was saying. The EMA system is not responsible and ought not be associated with what appears to be disciplinary problems at your college. Don't get me wrong. I don't live in a nice area but i don't consider that to effect my education , i get on with it.
    I agree that perhaps EMA ought to be regulated to a greater extent but there will always be people who fall just over the qualifying line. People will always find something unfair. I think that by suggesting that you are working "against the odds" is slightly over dramatic , students have money problems it is a fact. I could argue that i'm working against the odds , because i rubbish at my subjects. But never the less its the way it is.
    You must also bear in mind , just because people say they are only there for the money doesn't make it so. I wouldn't go to college merely for a poxy 30 quid a week.
    I can see where you are coming from. But i think you take this issue to personally as if its a slight against you. Its not , its the system that is our goverment doing what they can to draw young people into education which can't be bad. More so , EMA is in its early years , if you honestly feel this strongly then why not consider writing to them and voicing what you think. i think the whole system has been officially going for 2 years with a year on pilot.
    I'm going to lose my EMA in July and i will miss it. (hate uni).

    it seems to me that you are making the EMA a scape goat for other issues in your college.
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    (Original post by seaspray)
    It's not intended to go to their parents, that is why it is paid into their own bank accounts. It's intention is to pay for educational-related purchases.
    It does not dictate what students have to spend their money on; as poor No Future is trying to get through to people with seemingly no effect, EMA is an incentive. It's intention is to encourage people to stay on at school post-16. What they spend the money on is completely up to them, as with most benefits.
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    (Original post by shyopstv)
    In that case everyone should get £75 a week EMA because we all want extra money and it will make most of us less likely to drop out
    I imagine that for whatever factors/reasons those from poorer families are less likely to carry on with their education. By encouraging the group least likely to go for further education the gov't is trying to better the education of biggest group, or most at need. This is why the poorest get the most as they are even less likely to stay. (This is not the case for every poor family, but I imagine there is a general trend, hence the targetting poor families). The gov't cannot afford to finance everyone in this way, so helps those who need encouragement and help to better themselves the most.

    Furthermore, the better educated people are the better society as a whole ought to become.
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    (Original post by seaspray)
    It's not intended to go to their parents, that is why it is paid into their own bank accounts. It's intention is to pay for educational-related purchases.
    yes but if you knew anyone who was on EMA you'd know some do use it to help out their parents instead of getting a full time job.....

    ....3 people in my private school on full scholarships get 30.00 a week and it all goes to their parents to help them, because they feel a little guilty that they are in school whereas at a full time job helping the whole family out.........even if its for educational purposes only
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    (Original post by LizzyLizzy)
    Yeah , your right , you are entitled to your opinion , no-ones arguing that.
    However , you are guilty of generalising. Thats what i was saying. The EMA system is not responsible and ought not be associated with what appears to be disciplinary problems at your college. Don't get me wrong. I don't live in a nice area but i don't consider that to effect my education , i get on with it.
    I agree that perhaps EMA ought to be regulated to a greater extent but there will always be people who fall just over the qualifying line. People will always find something unfair. I think that by suggesting that you are working "against the odds" is slightly over dramatic , students have money problems it is a fact. I could argue that i'm working against the odds , because i rubbish at my subjects. But never the less its the way it is.
    You must also bear in mind , just because people say they are only there for the money doesn't make it so. I wouldn't go to college merely for a poxy 30 quid a week.
    I can see where you are coming from. But i think you take this issue to personally as if its a slight against you. Its not , its the system that is our goverment doing what they can to draw young people into education which can't be bad. More so , EMA is in its early years , if you honestly feel this strongly then why not consider writing to them and voicing what you think. i think the whole system has been officially going for 2 years with a year on pilot.
    I'm going to lose my EMA in July and i will miss it. (hate uni).

    it seems to me that you are making the EMA a scape goat for other issues in your college.

    i think you have misinterpreted anger for generalisation. how many more time can i say that i am only basing wot i say on experience. i am not using anything as a scape goat. this is only one aspect of my college life. it only appears as it is because of the topic in hand. surely if i was that unhappy with my collegec(eg disiplinery aspects) i would move colleges. i think i have the right to blame fellow EMA class members for my lack of teaching in some classes. Generalisation------> i dont think so, im just giving facts to add to this thread to give another POV. i cannot comment on other colleges and do not intend to. I think EMA is a good think if the money was delivered and used in different forms. i think the idea of EMA is fantastic, but it needs alot of adaptation!

    i just dont think EMA jus be divided between incomes....y not all schools benefit from it...surely that would be fairer and then EVERYONE will be happy!

    anyway...lets face it...those who get EMA will be for it an those who dont will be unhappy...iuts inevitable.

    (AND NO THAT IS NOT A GENERALISATION!)
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    (Original post by seaspray)
    EMA is such a rediculous, unfair...
    I am furious at the whole system.
    It is not ridiculous. You think it is unfair because you don't get it.
 
 
 
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