Guns in America

Therefore, would you say that robbery or trespassing is a crime that should be paid by death?

Oh my, i posted that responce on another forum a few weeks ago. i'm guessing the website has reshuffled its URL's. Il see if i can fix that...

edit: the site no longer displays murders with firearms with a per capita figure. I also have no idea why the US and UK have disappeared from the list on the later link either. Maybe the data used was questionable and unreliable so has been removed.

Anyway, I would assume murders with firearms are more prevalant in the USA, my point being this can be partly attributed to gun legislation.

I think satori made the point earlier that even if guns were banned, americans would just get them from Mexico and Canada, basically the trade would fall out of thier hands.

You can legislate anything, but will the population of the country actually do it? If they legislated alcohol prohibition in the UK, what would most likely happen?

Ah yes darwinism. I think you are a little harsh Lawz, as a lot of the people here are young and often give ill-thought out responces which don't necessarily reflect there true position but are said for effect or to create animosity. Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you recently advising Vienna to 'ignore' other peoples gross ignorance. I especially don't think wishing death on him is a good use of your time.

I think satori made the point earlier that even if guns were banned, americans would just get them from Mexico and Canada, basically the trade would fall out of thier hands.

You can legislate anything, but will the population of the country actually do it? If they legislated alcohol prohibition in the UK, what would most likely happen?

Indeed, to clarify: Legalised firearms=higher murder rate, new legislation will do little to change the current culture.

Don't be ridiculous. Canada and Mexico both have extremely tight gun control laws.

And you can't legislate "anything" in the US because we have an entrenched constitution which is difficult to screw around with.

You cant legislate on constitutional issues?

I was referring to those entrenched rights guaranteed under the constitution which we both know are very difficult to alter.

Pedant I know .. but hey .. what else do I have to live for?

Indeed, to clarify: Legalised firearms=higher murder rate

After hearing the issue debated my whole life, & trying to understand it, & seeing the data on American violence, I've come to the conclusion expressed by many already---that legal gun ownership is NOT the cause of America's high murder rate.

Did anyone see Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine? It was an interesting movie because it concluded by making no case for anything whatsoever (except tormenting Charlton Heston), since it never had the balls to address American criminal culture. Its little cartoon "history" of the U.S. and guns was one of the most fallacious things I've ever seen.

Unfortunately, too many people have the same preconceptions as Michael Moore: that the problem is these gun nuts in the NRA rallying for Heston and stockpiling assault weapons. The fact is that these people are not responsible for the American murder rate. Look at any statistics, any records you want, and you'll find that the gun culture, the NRA, the Southern rifle-rack-on-your-pickup mentality---all these have nothing to do with actual gun violence. Gun violence in America is part of America's criminal culture, which stems from an underworld legacy going back many generations. And the guns involved aren't legal as a rule, but are illegally obtained through the drug trade. Making guns illegal won't substantially lower our murder rate.

Haha, I nearly choked on my popcorn when Heston began to speak the truth, "Canada doesn't have the same ethnic mix", or something. Michael Moore of course lied outright and said Canada was just as diverse. Both bottled out and wouldn't simply state the straightforward fact - it's race.

Factor out Blacks and Hispanics and Americans are incredibly non-violent for a country with such a massive gun ownership. It's dishonest to suggest that Americans are violent. It's honest to state that Blacks and Hispanics as a group are incredibly violent.

People who pretend it's racist to be honest about racial differences have serious fears to face. Race isn't a social construct, society is a racial construct - easily observed if you have an open mind.

Haha, I nearly choked on my popcorn when Heston began to speak the truth, "Canada doesn't have the same ethnic mix", or something. Michael Moore of course lied outright and said Canada was just as diverse. Both bottled out and wouldn't simply state the straightforward fact - it's race.

Factor out Blacks and Hispanics and Americans are incredibly non-violent for a country with such a massive gun ownership. It's dishonest to suggest that Americans are violent. It's honest to state that Blacks and Hispanics as a group are incredibly violent.

People who pretend it's racist to be honest about racial differences have serious fears to face. Race isn't a social construct, society is a racial construct - easily observed if you have an open mind.