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    I'm upset by the lack of cardigans in this thread. Conformists.
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    (Original post by Chewwy)
    I'm upset by the lack of cardigans in this thread. Conformists.
    Cardigans are for GPs, no..?
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    Jaeger had ties in the sale for 10 quid down from 50, which I thought was pretty good value and picked up a few.
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    (Original post by pauln182)
    Lol. What's with all the 10K plus quotes for stuff?!? I don't recall anyone in their 2nd years dropping 10K plus on clothes. Some 1st years did - but typically they realised no one cared about that stuff by the 2nd wardrobe update.

    I reckon you can set up your initial wardrobe for around 1-2k (or less) dependent on how much you want to spend. It's about how the clothes look on you, not the brand.

    Moreover, in reality, first years are the newbies at the firm. It doesn't matter how sharp your suit is, you look 21!! That means you don't have any real work or content experience behind you and so you can't really do anything! Since everyone (clients and colleagues) can see this, no one is expecting much other than for you to work hard, aim to learn lots, do the rubbish 'cut your teeth' jobs and follow the rules.


    MY VIEW ON WARDROBES - LOOK PROFESSIONAL, BUT YOU'RE NOT AT GUCCI. IN FACT, THE ONLY MODELLING WE DO IS BUILDING EXCEL MODELS!
    Watch - analogues only (digital is just very studenty). If you don't want to shell out for a decent one (I'm thinking 0.7K - 1K, not 5k!) then just don't bother with it.

    Suits - 3 is fine. Paul Smith at 700 quid is good, but then so is every other brand out there pretty much. All that matters is that it doesn't look cheap and that it sits well on you. I personally found a great way to waste money was to buy mid-market (e.g. Calvin Klein). They tend to be of the worst materials. Either splash out on a high-end brand or buy something cheap that looks good (believe it or not, even Debenhams gets the job done). Also, you don't need to buy all 3 at once. 2 initially is fine (just make sure they're reasonably non-descript) then buy the 3rd later when you find a good deal.

    Shirts - no one cares, you can barely see the shirt under the suit anyway. TM Lewin / Hawes and Curtis get the job done, but so does M&S. Say 7 shirts at 30-50 quid each. Once again - it's about the cut, not the brand. The only key point is to make sure your shirts are primarily whites and blues (possibly with a pink and avoid yellows unless its just the shirt lines that are yellow)

    Ties - nice ties are important. You can buy 'nice' ones for between 30-50 quid. The only reason they're important is that the material quality is most evident on ties - and the label is more likely to show. Dependent on your role you may never have need for them though. So maybe you only need 2-3 in some jobs.

    Shoes - 1 pair to start you off is fine. Think 100-150quid. Check the soles of the shoes have a good grip, else you'll slip on the ibank floor and look like a pr1ck. Some also have the clacking noise of high heels - that's not good

    The key thing is to remember who you are - you are a 1st year and you can't do anything yet. Sorry if this bursts the high-end glamour illusion of banking that first years sometimes mistakenly perceive. Banking is a knowledge industry - and all your academic knowledge is broadly useless in the job. If you want to nail the job, you need to work hard and make sure your output is top-notch. Maintain a PROFESSIONAL image (e.g. no black shirts) since that's a required and expected minimum, but don't start dropping all your hard earned cash trying to look like the dog's b0llocks. No one cares and rucking up in your 5K get-up just tends to be perceived by your seniors as sweetly naive!
    I wanted to ask you a question about your Calvin Klein comment. How bad is the quality of material? I picked up a mid-grey three button for 100 from 400 in the sale but am not bowled over by it. It is 100% wool though. It makes me look too mature for 19...

    One comment in general to everyone in the thread, why is black such a faux pas for suits? I get the funeral/doorman vibe but you wouldn't be wearing a black tie and white shirt like in those situations. I found it incredibly surprising that black suits are such deal-breakers! So if navy/grey charcoal is the way to go, how light a grey can it be? Would light grey give off too much of a river island/topman vibe?
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    (Original post by Favourite Worst Nightmare)
    I wanted to ask you a question about your Calvin Klein comment. How bad is the quality of material? I picked up a mid-grey three button for 100 from 400 in the sale but am not bowled over by it. It is 100% wool though. It makes me look too mature for 19...

    One comment in general to everyone in the thread, why is black such a faux pas for suits? I get the funeral/doorman vibe but you wouldn't be wearing a black tie and white shirt like in those situations. I found it incredibly surprising that black suits are such deal-breakers! So if navy/grey charcoal is the way to go, how light a grey can it be? Would light grey give off too much of a river island/topman vibe?
    Lighter grey than charcoal is fine. Especially during summer months. Just nothing pale grey like this tool
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    (Original post by Nimiza)
    Lighter grey than charcoal is fine. Especially during summer months. Just nothing pale grey like this tool
    That is a bit crap, but light grey can work well: http://www.styleforum.net/showpost.p...39&postcount=9
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    (Original post by Drogue)
    That is a bit crap, but light grey can work well: http://www.styleforum.net/showpost.p...39&postcount=9
    Looks like a European MD. Wouldn't risk that pale as an analyst.
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    (Original post by Nimiza)
    Looks like a European MD. Wouldn't risk that pale as an analyst.
    True. Even then, being 1 button it's a bit out there for banking. Still, I'm tempted to get that recreated as my next suit. Well, that and a classic navy 2 button.
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    (Original post by Drogue)
    True. Even then, being 1 button it's a bit out there for banking. Still, I'm tempted to get that recreated as my next suit. Well, that and a classic navy 2 button.
    Drogue, you seem to be the most knowledgable guy on here, could you address the question i asked above? I noticed you keep mentioning M&S for people on a budget so i went in but all the suits just reminded me of my GP or my high school teachers...there was one I liked which was slim fit so fitted well but it was mid greyish and not 100% wool. Had a nice cut to it though. I don't really fancy getting a navy suit, just don't think they complement my skin tone. (I am Indian) I know this will irk you no end, but I much prefer the suits at Next. Just have more of a modern vibe without being tacky like River Island and Topman. It pains me that I can't splash out on something proper but I must live within my means.
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    (Original post by Favourite Worst Nightmare)
    Drogue, you seem to be the most knowledgable guy on here, could you address the question i asked above? I noticed you keep mentioning M&S for people on a budget so i went in but all the suits just reminded me of my GP or my high school teachers...there was one I liked which was slim fit so fitted well but it was mid greyish and not 100% wool. Had a nice cut to it though. I don't really fancy getting a navy suit, just don't think they complement my skin tone. (I am Indian) I know this will irk you no end, but I much prefer the suits at Next. Just have more of a modern vibe without being tacky like River Island and Topman. It pains me that I can't splash out on something proper but I must live within my means.
    See, I think of Next as just as tacky as River Island and Topman. I can understand not going for M&S styling, though I think you need a similar level of quality, which those 3 just won't provide. For living within your means this is even more important, as suits from the above 3 have a habit of falling apart too quickly. Value for money doesn't mean buying the cheapest, though I entirely understand not splashing out.

    One thing I will say on style though, is that suits are a classic thing. Next styling is often derided as "fashion forward", and having a modern vibe can annoy more traditional firms. They also tend to stand out a bit, not in a good way. They do some that aren't styled quite this way, and of course you can have stylish suits in a more modern style, but be very careful about being too out there (ie. having ultra thin lapels, which I see a lot these days in high street fashion shops).

    There are plenty of pretty decent suit shops around, though other than M&S and perhaps Debenhams, I would steer clear of the big department stores. TM Lewin and Charles Tyrwhitt may work if you live in London, as in their sales (pretty much permenent for TML) they tend to be pretty good value.

    (Original post by Favourite Worst Nightmare)
    I wanted to ask you a question about your Calvin Klein comment. How bad is the quality of material? I picked up a mid-grey three button for 100 from 400 in the sale but am not bowled over by it. It is 100% wool though. It makes me look too mature for 19...

    One comment in general to everyone in the thread, why is black such a faux pas for suits? I get the funeral/doorman vibe but you wouldn't be wearing a black tie and white shirt like in those situations. I found it incredibly surprising that black suits are such deal-breakers! So if navy/grey charcoal is the way to go, how light a grey can it be? Would light grey give off too much of a river island/topman vibe?
    Black is still a faux pas, it just looks awful. As for how light, a mid grey is absolutely fine, though charcoal is safest and you need to be very careful with light greys. The one I posted is a great suit, but a bit risky for any traditional industry (ie. fine for advertising, not for an entry-level banker or consultant), the one Nimiza posted is just awful.

    Lastly, while I've no idea about CK quality, looking too mature for 19 is a very good thing. As a banker or consultant you're likely to end up dealing with pretty senior people in firms you advise (if you're in a job that requires a suit), and so seeming mature is a good thing. This doesn't mean dressing like some old man, but appearing like you're older than 19 is not a bad thing.
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    (Original post by tehforum)
    The shame of posting so much in this thread pales in comparison to the shame of a potential analyst making a chart that sh*t.
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    (Original post by PorcineAviation)
    The shame of posting so much in this thread pales in comparison to the shame of a potential analyst making a chart that sh*t.
    This is hilarious.......... too much Excel in our lives.......
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    i m surprised this thread has become so big. if you work in S&T all you need are some decent trousers, shoes, nice shirt and a jumper. you dont even need a blazer or tie for that matter.no need to fork out big in your first 3 years.
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    Ok..i watched this thread for a bit, but really don't wish to re-read the whole thing just to get an answer (or not as the case may be.)

    Now, just wondering what the style for female analysts are in IB (not FO but MO, and not BB). I have a nice navy skirt suit, and a grey (pink pinstipes) pants suit. I have a few stand alone skirts but no matching jackets. I have a handful of white shirts, a green silky one, and a cotton pink one. What do people tend to wear? I shamefully admit that I didnt look around at the interview stage as much as I could. Do girls tend to wear sweaters (like thin cotton ones) with their suits as oppose to shirts (for a more casual look) or is it alll quite formal?

    And heels? I'm already about 5'8 so are flats suitable or a modest heel expected? But if I find those rare pair of high heels (4 inches lets say) that are comfortable, are they are no-no cause no one wears them, or because i'd be 6ft?
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    (Original post by Drogue)
    True. Even then, being 1 button it's a bit out there for banking. Still, I'm tempted to get that recreated as my next suit. Well, that and a classic navy 2 button.
    is black suits with light stripes faux pas?
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    (Original post by super_dry)
    is black suits with light stripes faux pas?
    Yes.
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    (Original post by Drogue)
    Yes.
    I have three AC's coming up in the next month and can't gain enough money to get a new suit, my current one is navy but it's pinstriped! It's not obvious but recognisable! Should I be worried? I've read bad things about the pin... Thanks in advance, I hope it doesn't set back first impressions too much since I've bought really nice shirts and ties to go with.
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    (Original post by lilpenguin)
    I have three AC's coming up in the next month and can't gain enough money to get a new suit, my current one is navy but it's pinstriped! It's not obvious but recognisable! Should I be worried? I've read bad things about the pin... Thanks in advance, I hope it doesn't set back first impressions too much since I've bought really nice shirts and ties to go with.
    I doubt that'd be an issue, but I'm no expert. Pinstripes tend to look a little much on young, junior people, but it's not the kind of clear faux pas that a black suit is.
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    (Original post by PorcineAviation)
    The shame of posting so much in this thread pales in comparison to the shame of a potential analyst making a chart that sh*t.
    Lmao, so true

    (Original post by lilpenguin)
    I have three AC's coming up in the next month and can't gain enough money to get a new suit, my current one is navy but it's pinstriped! It's not obvious but recognisable! Should I be worried? I've read bad things about the pin... Thanks in advance, I hope it doesn't set back first impressions too much since I've bought really nice shirts and ties to go with.
    If you don't have cash to buy a different one what are you going to do anyway... don't worry it will be fine, go get it tailored a bit so it fits great, will give you a touch of confidence and will make it look far better.
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    (Original post by Drogue)
    I doubt that'd be an issue, but I'm no expert. Pinstripes tend to look a little much on young, junior people, but it's not the kind of clear faux pas that a black suit is.
    (thin and subtle) Pinstripes are fine. Its large chalkstripes that are the faux pas. But totally, the black suit is a horrible rookie error.
 
 
 
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