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#501
(Original post by adelz)
Palestinians do agree to the road map, the leadership CANNOT act against terror as the people of palestine support the organisations, as their security forces are in ruins due to israeli attacks and as the head of palestine is under house arrest . Many people dont want Israel to exist - I dont want Israel to exist but I think we all accept the fact that it has to exist -
Palestinians do agree to the road map, the leadership CANNOT act against terror as the people of palestine support the organisations, as their security forces are in ruins due to israeli attacks and as the head of palestine is under house arrest . Many people dont want Israel to exist - I dont want Israel to exist but I think we all accept the fact that it has to exist -
hamas and arafat dont. their 'security forces', which ones would they be?
there is no other solution and hamas and arafat both know that and both HAVE SAID THAT IF ISRAEL PULLS BACK TO PRE 1967 BORDERS THERE WILL BE PEACE. ITS THAT SIMPLE.
And no Suicide bombers didnt interrupt the adoption of the peace plan - all the organisations had a ceasefire and israel continued targeting militants
glad to see u know ur stuff.
errrr .. yeah .. thats nice ... what, got nothing better to say ?
errrr .. yeah .. thats nice ... what, got nothing better to say ?
Yeah you can have a reference, [url], its common fact that that is true. Anyway, yes the PA did agree to start arresting militants and they did .. all was well for a while
they did nothing. and a quote from a very brief Guardian summary of the conflict, come on. its hardly conclusive to the argument.
but then israel continued killing militants, someone blew himself up, the al aqsa martyrs brigade said that it was a renegade faction and offered an official apology but ... too late, israelis retaliated.
The current Palestinian PM also wants peace, also wants to stop terrorism but has said he cant stop it by force and is trying to negotiate. But is getting no support from Israel (definite assurances by them and therefore bargaining chips )
LOL commitment to the defence of its people .. yeah right ... Their guarantee of defence to its people is to pull back to pre 1967 borders. Checkpoints are IN THE MIDDLE OF PALESTINIAN CONTROLLED TERRITORY as are settlements,
if you can perceive the practical difficulties in withdrawing people and erecting a border control without consistent protection this should answer ur question.
Kofi Annan has also called the Israeli settlements illegal.
And Im surprised YOU have the nerve to post without recognizing the concrete concerns of the Palestinian people - The Israelis are concerned with their safety so - pull back goddamnit and they will ahve safety - all the terrorist organisations have said they will not attack if israel pulls back.
And Im surprised YOU have the nerve to post without recognizing the concrete concerns of the Palestinian people - The Israelis are concerned with their safety so - pull back goddamnit and they will ahve safety - all the terrorist organisations have said they will not attack if israel pulls back.
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What do you mean by what timeframe - ever since they are in palestine they've been building settlements.
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i mean during the ceasefire, which is what you were alluding to. i was interested to know how ISrael could build new settlements in 7 weeks.
*shakes head*, who are you kidding? only yourself.
im not kidding anyone actually, he did get the nobel peace prize
im not kidding anyone actually, he did get the nobel peace prize
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA THAT just cracks me up .
You think he shares his money with hamas etc? Id like proof (reference) to that please [/b]
You think he shares his money with hamas etc? Id like proof (reference) to that please [/b]
his criticisms of Israel and peace efforts are relatively unparalled among former US heads of state.
The IMF report "Economic Performance and Reforms under Conflict Conditions," released last September in Abu Dhabi, was based on the same PA documents that the Israeli government had earlier provided to Patten and the European Parliament. The report concludes that at least 8 percent ($135 million) of the PA's annual budget of $1.08 billion is being spent by Arafat at his sole discretion — and does not even take into account Arafat's control of 60 percent of the security-apparatus budget, which leaves him with at least $360 million per year to spend as he chooses. In addition, the report states that $900 million in PA revenues "disappeared" between 1995 and 2000, and that the 2003 budget for Arafat's office, which totaled $74 million, was missing $34 million that Arafat had transferred to pay unidentified "organizations" and "individuals."
i twas still full of palestinians and palestinians did have a word in controlling it - when british left india it became india not .. some other random country .. what are you trying to say here ?
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#502
(Original post by gemgems89)
I don't know really. I would assume Palestine is developed, but I wouldn't know.
I don't know really. I would assume Palestine is developed, but I wouldn't know.
Perhaps the more developed country should lead the way to peace. I guess it's trying to right now from what you've been saying.
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#503
(Original post by Mr White)
Richer than most arab states that aren't oil-rich. Still, the Zionist's right to be there is far more significant than the Palestinian's.
Richer than most arab states that aren't oil-rich. Still, the Zionist's right to be there is far more significant than the Palestinian's.
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#504
(Original post by Mad Caddie)
I agree very much. Sort out the Israeli's and save the Palestinian's. Simple. The catch is its never going to happen.
I agree very much. Sort out the Israeli's and save the Palestinian's. Simple. The catch is its never going to happen.
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#505
(Original post by gemgems89)
I don't know really. I would assume Palestine is developed, but I wouldn't know.
I don't know really. I would assume Palestine is developed, but I wouldn't know.
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#506
(Original post by gemgems89)
Because it is actually relevant and interesting.
Because it is actually relevant and interesting.
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#507
(Original post by adelz)
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA that was REALLLLY funny .. . Are you like REALLLLLY stupid ?
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA that was REALLLLY funny .. . Are you like REALLLLLY stupid ?
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#508
(Original post by Speciez99)
please do explain why iraq was a threat to any american city you care to name? most of countries ie poland supported america so they could get more trade eg american misslies
please do explain why iraq was a threat to any american city you care to name? most of countries ie poland supported america so they could get more trade eg american misslies
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#509
(Original post by adelz)
Yes I agree too - we really should just work for peace, but you have to understand what happened in order to understand the issue - though I dont think that history so long ago can be used as an argument that the land should go to israel.
Yes I agree too - we really should just work for peace, but you have to understand what happened in order to understand the issue - though I dont think that history so long ago can be used as an argument that the land should go to israel.
But it's still valid, unless you're going to also dismiss your argument for Palestine deserving the land.
Get peace. Negotiate.
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#510
(Original post by thefish_uk)
Please, keep this to a civilised debate.
Please, keep this to a civilised debate.
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#511
(Original post by vienna95)
*sigh* you dont understand the concept of american national interest, the terrorist acquistion of WMDs or the fact the Poland understand first hand the threat from rogue states?
*sigh* you dont understand the concept of american national interest, the terrorist acquistion of WMDs or the fact the Poland understand first hand the threat from rogue states?
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#512
(Original post by vienna95)
some of us find it easier than others.
some of us find it easier than others.
Which is good, there are intelligent people posting intelligent arguments. Like yourself.
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#513
(Original post by adelz)
Youll have to thank the Bus bombers for that.
Ummm .. I dont think the bus bombers have anything to do with my dad getting interrogated and treated like a criminal - its not a justification.
Youll have to thank the Bus bombers for that.
Ummm .. I dont think the bus bombers have anything to do with my dad getting interrogated and treated like a criminal - its not a justification.
mobile phones are used to detonate bombs.
lol yeah and .... that doesnt give them the right to confiscate our mobile phones, we are entering palestine, gaza city not israel . Do you get your phone confiscated at Dover or wherever ?!
lol yeah and .... that doesnt give them the right to confiscate our mobile phones, we are entering palestine, gaza city not israel . Do you get your phone confiscated at Dover or wherever ?!
There are many arab Israelis and they enjoy everything in Israel almost as much as the jews.
They do .. and ?
They do .. and ?
I agree that no one can afford to be extremely one sided, I think both sides have some fault in the conflict but I think that Israel is definately more to blame, especially as its is the occupying force and it is the more powerful of the two. Bombers cant be "encouraged" they just do it because they feel that they have to ..
so if they have to, perhaps you can explain all of the videotapes pumped out by the martyrs and the posters that Arafat has put up throughout Palestine celebrating their acts.
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#514
(Original post by Vienna95)
*sigh* you dont understand the concept of american national interest, the terrorist acquistion of WMDs or the fact the Poland understand first hand the threat from rogue states?
*sigh* you dont understand the concept of american national interest, the terrorist acquistion of WMDs or the fact the Poland understand first hand the threat from rogue states?
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#515
(Original post by adelz)
something like 15 states out of 140 in the world supported the US, most of them to get financial support . That is not a majority. The US cannot attack a country because they have WMDs - which they didnt - they attacked as iraq is oil rich, second in the world. Anyway, this thread is about Israel - palestine so lets keep it to that
something like 15 states out of 140 in the world supported the US, most of them to get financial support . That is not a majority. The US cannot attack a country because they have WMDs - which they didnt - they attacked as iraq is oil rich, second in the world. Anyway, this thread is about Israel - palestine so lets keep it to that
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#516
(Original post by Speciez99)
no i obviously dont, instead of patronising me i was hoping you might be able to explain it to me. how were any american cities under a direct treat from iraq?
no i obviously dont, instead of patronising me i was hoping you might be able to explain it to me. how were any american cities under a direct treat from iraq?
which do you want me to explain?
direct threat when?
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#517
(Original post by Vienna95)
Bush is the only president to recognise the 2-state proposals.
his criticisms of Israel and peace efforts are relatively unparalled among former US heads of state.
The IMF report "Economic Performance and Reforms under Conflict Conditions," released last September in Abu Dhabi, was based on the same PA documents that the Israeli government had earlier provided to Patten and the European Parliament. The report concludes that at least 8 percent ($135 million) of the PA's annual budget of $1.08 billion is being spent by Arafat at his sole discretion — and does not even take into account Arafat's control of 60 percent of the security-apparatus budget, which leaves him with at least $360 million per year to spend as he chooses. In addition, the report states that $900 million in PA revenues "disappeared" between 1995 and 2000, and that the 2003 budget for Arafat's office, which totaled $74 million, was missing $34 million that Arafat had transferred to pay unidentified "organizations" and "individuals."
Bush is the only president to recognise the 2-state proposals.
his criticisms of Israel and peace efforts are relatively unparalled among former US heads of state.
The IMF report "Economic Performance and Reforms under Conflict Conditions," released last September in Abu Dhabi, was based on the same PA documents that the Israeli government had earlier provided to Patten and the European Parliament. The report concludes that at least 8 percent ($135 million) of the PA's annual budget of $1.08 billion is being spent by Arafat at his sole discretion — and does not even take into account Arafat's control of 60 percent of the security-apparatus budget, which leaves him with at least $360 million per year to spend as he chooses. In addition, the report states that $900 million in PA revenues "disappeared" between 1995 and 2000, and that the 2003 budget for Arafat's office, which totaled $74 million, was missing $34 million that Arafat had transferred to pay unidentified "organizations" and "individuals."
http://www.hrw.org/press/2001/02/isr-pa-0221.htm
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#518
(Original post by Speciez99)
this evidence was based on isreali intelligence, gonna be unbias then. 2ndly no terror groups are mentioned in that report. in retort i would like to also provide some evidence
http://www.hrw.org/press/2001/02/isr-pa-0221.htm
this evidence was based on isreali intelligence, gonna be unbias then. 2ndly no terror groups are mentioned in that report. in retort i would like to also provide some evidence
http://www.hrw.org/press/2001/02/isr-pa-0221.htm
HWR points out an unfortunate reality. terrorists happily using civilians as cover. the IDF do remarkably well to limit the number of innocent casualties. talking of which HWR are remarkably biased, but since weve already read everthing from the Guardian office, why stop there.
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#519
(Original post by Howard)
Well, that must make me the only person alive (or at least on ULK) who actually couldn't give two hoots about Palestine or Israel, or for that matter, the people who reside there, rightfully or wrongfully.
Well, that must make me the only person alive (or at least on ULK) who actually couldn't give two hoots about Palestine or Israel, or for that matter, the people who reside there, rightfully or wrongfully.
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#520
(Original post by thefish_uk)
Hmm, apparently Israel certainly is developed but Palestine isn't.
Perhaps the more developed country should lead the way to peace. I guess it's trying to right now from what you've been saying.
Hmm, apparently Israel certainly is developed but Palestine isn't.
Perhaps the more developed country should lead the way to peace. I guess it's trying to right now from what you've been saying.
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