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Engineering, after doing a Maths degree.

Hi.

I've applied to do Maths degrees for 2012 at top unis, but recently i've been thinking that I'd possibly like to go into engineering in the future.

I was wondering how difficult it would be do get a job in engineering with a Maths degree and then an MSc in engineering, or whether switching to an engineering MEng degree after my first year would be the only option. Aerospace engineering is what I am particularly interested in. Similarly, are there jobs (not necessarily an engineer) in Aerospace firms for people with maths degrees?
With a BSc in maths and an MSc in an engineering discipline you shouldn't struggle any more than those with MEng degrees.

But if you are set on a career in engineering then you really should just do the MEng degree.
Original post by Smack
With a BSc in maths and an MSc in an engineering discipline you shouldn't struggle any more than those with MEng degrees.

But if you are set on a career in engineering then you really should just do the MEng degree.


how many years is the Msc in engineering?
Reply 3
I'm an engineering graduate currently studying an MSc and in the process of applying for jobs.

Pretty much all the large engineering companies look for physicists and mathematicians aswell as engineers, and offer a similar graduate training scheme. The only downfall perhapsis that there are much fewer of these vacancies than engineering places.

But yea, you can become an engineer with a maths degree.
Original post by middlj
I'm an engineering graduate currently studying an MSc and in the process of applying for jobs.

Pretty much all the large engineering companies look for physicists and mathematicians aswell as engineers, and offer a similar graduate training scheme. The only downfall perhapsis that there are much fewer of these vacancies than engineering places.

But yea, you can become an engineer with a maths degree.


so what positions do they get given?
Original post by keyboard-warrior
how many years is the Msc in engineering?


Full time, one whole year (September to September usually). I know both of my local universities offer part time MSc degrees that last three years, though, so others may too.
Original post by Smack
Full time, one whole year (September to September usually). I know both of my local universities offer part time MSc degrees that last three years, though, so others may too.


Well if its only a year, how can a physics degree (or maths) + Msc equal to an Meng degree?

it just seems inadequate to fit what should be 4 years of engineering study into one Msc year, and also are there different Msc courses for each engineering field? (civil, mech, etc)

do people who take this route of doing physics/maths and then an engineering msc qualify as a civil/mechanical engineer in the same way as those who take the 4 year Meng course?
Original post by keyboard-warrior
Well if its only a year, how can a physics degree (or maths) + Msc equal to an Meng degree?


It doesn't in terms of content.


do people who take this route of doing physics/maths and then an engineering msc qualify as a civil/mechanical engineer in the same way as those who take the 4 year Meng course?


Yes.
Reply 8
Original post by Smack
It doesn't in terms of content.



Yes.


Is it not much more difficult to become a chartered engineer (CEng) without an integrated MEng degree? or can an MSci lead to accreditation reasonably easily?
Reply 9
Original post by dom bradbury
Hi.

I've applied to do Maths degrees for 2012 at top unis, but recently i've been thinking that I'd possibly like to go into engineering in the future.

I was wondering how difficult it would be do get a job in engineering with a Maths degree and then an MSc in engineering, or whether switching to an engineering MEng degree after my first year would be the only option. Aerospace engineering is what I am particularly interested in. Similarly, are there jobs (not necessarily an engineer) in Aerospace firms for people with maths degrees?


Well engineers are essentially applied mathematicians (with other skills).
There will always be jobs and places avaliable to those with maths degrees in engineering sectors however it might not be a job as an engineer but rather engineering related. Remember engineers have a range of skill sets that would put them apart from mathematicians, teamwork, innovativeness :P to name a few
Original post by dom bradbury
Is it not much more difficult to become a chartered engineer (CEng) without an integrated MEng degree? or can an MSci lead to accreditation reasonably easily?


I don't know.
Reply 11
Original post by dom bradbury
Is it not much more difficult to become a chartered engineer (CEng) without an integrated MEng degree? or can an MSci lead to accreditation reasonably easily?


Nope its just as easy.

The academic requirement is an education in Engineering up to Masters level or equivalent. BEng and MSc is just no better or worse than MEng.

I think about 75% of Engineering students do a BEng actually and leave it at that. Of the minority who do masters i'd say its about 50/50 between MSc and MEng, but all this is just from my experience.
Reply 12
Just to bring about a point that went through my mind as I read this. I really do not think that with a Maths undergrad and an engineering related postgrad you would be as qualified for an engineering role as somebody who stuck to an engineering discipline.

Yes, you would likely be the type of person who can solve engineering problems, however you would not have the much wider knowledge that engineering udnergraduates get from their course. For example, if you went the civil route your understanding of concrete, structures, general construction and project management would not touch that of an engineering graduate, even though you would be able to calculate the strength of concrete etc. In my opinion engineers are much more than applied mathematicians.

Apologies if I appear overly negative. As mentioned above there are engineering opportunities for maths graduates but I just wanted to speak up and try and point out (what I think is) the difference between the two.
Reply 13
I'm a third year maths student at a top university who is in the process of applying for MSc's in Aerospace related subjects.

If I were you, if you're serious about going into engineering afterwards, I would advise you now to think twice before going ahead with your maths degree.

I was in an extremely similar situation to you a couple of years ago; I was constantly told that it would be possible for me to go into engineering afterwards. To be honest I wasn't lied to. It is possible, it's just difficult.

Like some people here seem to be saying, while a maths degree will give you the maths and problem solving skills to be an engineer, if you ask me it will give you little else. How in your course have you obtained the teamworking skills, the communication and management skills, the project and practical skills? I have a problem right now answering these very questions on Masters applications.

Of course a lot depends on which course you're on, and which modules you take, but in general, I think that's as much as you'll get out of it. I'm probably being slightly bitter as I have not really enjoyed (or done particularly well on) my maths degree at all: I got tired of the so called "beauty" of the pure maths, and the applied stuff hasn't been taught well and is normally done with outside departments.

Outside of finance, mathematical research and teaching there are very few technical (i.e. uses maths/physics) career options available to me that don't require a further postgrad qualification.

I strongly urge you to rethink your degree and career choices bearing this in mind; apart from things like specialist finance/actuarial roles, and mathematical/theoretical physics research or teaching, I don't think there's any career path closed off to you if you decide to do engineering. Ultimately the skills you obtain from an engineering degree will be more appliable.

Also, if this applies to you, PLEASE don't use your "interest in pursuing maths research" as the main reason for undertaking a maths degree, if anything remove it from your reasons and consider whether you'd still want to do the course. I got what was the equivalent of A*A*A* at A level, a 1 in STEP I, and a Distinction in the Maths AEA. Pretty soon I realised this means very little once you start uni, and is in no way evidence of your ability to pursue the subject at research level. Maths at uni is a completely different ballgame, where until you actually do the modules, its difficult to determine whether you'll enjoy them and perfom well in them.

If you do decide to carry on with maths, I'd suggest you go to a university which also has a decent aerospace department, so you can switch in your first year if you change your mind, and so you can also possibly take modules from the engineering department.

If you're interested, the MSc aerospace subject areas available or relatively easily accessible to maths grads are predominantly in Fluid Dynamics (more Computational than Experimental of course). I may also take a shot in applying for propulsion and thermodynamics related courses, though even this will require a considerable amount of catching up IMO. Funding is also something to bear in mind. You will not be automatically entitled to any government funding, which may result in you having to fork out something in the region of 10-15 k to cover mainentance and tuition fee costs, or borrow from a bank. There are scholarships/bursaries available, but you apply for them only after recieving the offer for the course. In other words, you can't really assume you're going to get any funding.

Finally, having attended various aerospace related careers fairs, I'll tell you what the employers seem to say. Many say that they are happy to accept applications from maths grads (assuming no MSc), but they'll give favour and priority to the engineers. In today's competitive job market, this makes securing a job almost impossible. Pretty much all of them agree on the fact that I'll improve my odds (and knowledge) by doing a Masters, which is what I'm doing now... :smile:

EDIT: Sorry didn't see your final question. Yes there are other jobs in aerospace firms, such as finance, purchasing, logistics, etc. All of them are a lot more stats oriented than physics/engineering related though. Any other questions PM me :smile:
(edited 12 years ago)
Reply 14
If you're sure that you want to go into Engineering, definitely go for a degree in it. Although what can a Maths degree enable you to do that an Engineering degree can't? (asides from theoretical Maths research).
Reply 15
Thanks for all of the advice! It's a tough decision, and i haven't quite decided yet. I'm kind of waiting to see which unis i get offers from. In particular, if i get an offer Cambridge for Maths (not too hopeful after my interview :s-smilie:) then obviously i'll put that as my firm choice. Their Maths course is obviously very highly regarded and interesting, so i might be inclined to stick with that, (although if i really wanted to do engineering, Cambridge have a very strong engineering department, it shouldn't be too difficult to switch to it, first 2 years of their MEng are general then you can specialise in aerospace).

But in terms of my other unis i've applied to Manchester and Bristol, who do aerospace, i believe they are well regarded for the subject? Again it shouldnt be too hard to switch to a MEng degree from a maths course, the maths requirements tend to be higher, i do FM and Physics.

But Warwick and Durham who i've also applied to don't do aerospace engineering, which is a shame, especially as Warwick is such a brilliant Uni for Maths, so i really need to decide sooner rather than later.

The reason for me possibly wanting to change course is that i was considering the sort of jobs i'd get after Uni with a maths degree, and i decided i really didnt want to go into finance, not particularly keen on teaching, and indifferent towards post-grad study, which are the things that most maths grads do. So i was looking into engineering which i knew very little about and it appealed to me alot.

What sorts of things do you spend your time doing in an engineering degree (aerospace or otherwise)? Obviously there will be plenty of maths, differential equations and the like, and physics, but what else do you do? Are there like lots of essays?
Original post by dom bradbury
Hi.

I've applied to do Maths degrees for 2012 at top unis, but recently i've been thinking that I'd possibly like to go into engineering in the future.

I was wondering how difficult it would be do get a job in engineering with a Maths degree and then an MSc in engineering, or whether switching to an engineering MEng degree after my first year would be the only option. Aerospace engineering is what I am particularly interested in. Similarly, are there jobs (not necessarily an engineer) in Aerospace firms for people with maths degrees?


why would you do a maths degree then MSc?! Surely you mean MEng
Reply 17
Original post by siwelmail
why would you do a maths degree then MSc?! Surely you mean MEng


Because MEng degrees are undergraduate degrees only.. if you already have a maths degree, you could do a postgraduate degree in engineering. These are always MSc.
Original post by dom bradbury
Thanks for all of the advice! It's a tough decision, and i haven't quite decided yet. I'm kind of waiting to see which unis i get offers from. In particular, if i get an offer Cambridge for Maths (not too hopeful after my interview :s-smilie:) then obviously i'll put that as my firm choice. Their Maths course is obviously very highly regarded and interesting, so i might be inclined to stick with that, (although if i really wanted to do engineering, Cambridge have a very strong engineering department, it shouldn't be too difficult to switch to it, first 2 years of their MEng are general then you can specialise in aerospace).

But in terms of my other unis i've applied to Manchester and Bristol, who do aerospace, i believe they are well regarded for the subject? Again it shouldnt be too hard to switch to a MEng degree from a maths course, the maths requirements tend to be higher, i do FM and Physics.

But Warwick and Durham who i've also applied to don't do aerospace engineering, which is a shame, especially as Warwick is such a brilliant Uni for Maths, so i really need to decide sooner rather than later.

The reason for me possibly wanting to change course is that i was considering the sort of jobs i'd get after Uni with a maths degree, and i decided i really didnt want to go into finance, not particularly keen on teaching, and indifferent towards post-grad study, which are the things that most maths grads do. So i was looking into engineering which i knew very little about and it appealed to me alot.

What sorts of things do you spend your time doing in an engineering degree (aerospace or otherwise)? Obviously there will be plenty of maths, differential equations and the like, and physics, but what else do you do? Are there like lots of essays?


Hey, there's some excellent advice there from Turgon. You need to make the decision now.

Although there are jobs available involving very difficult and theoretically challenging numerical modelling in the aerospace and automotive sectors, I can't think of many jobs in Engineering that you would be more suitable for than an Engineer. Perhaps Mechanical Engineering would appeal to you.
Original post by turgon
I'm a third year maths student at a top university who is in the process of applying for MSc's in Aerospace related subjects.

If I were you, if you're serious about going into engineering afterwards, I would advise you now to think twice before going ahead with your maths degree.

I was in an extremely similar situation to you a couple of years ago; I was constantly told that it would be possible for me to go into engineering afterwards. To be honest I wasn't lied to. It is possible, it's just difficult.

Like some people here seem to be saying, while a maths degree will give you the maths and problem solving skills to be an engineer, if you ask me it will give you little else. How in your course have you obtained the teamworking skills, the communication and management skills, the project and practical skills? I have a problem right now answering these very questions on Masters applications.

Of course a lot depends on which course you're on, and which modules you take, but in general, I think that's as much as you'll get out of it. I'm probably being slightly bitter as I have not really enjoyed (or done particularly well on) my maths degree at all: I got tired of the so called "beauty" of the pure maths, and the applied stuff hasn't been taught well and is normally done with outside departments.

Outside of finance, mathematical research and teaching there are very few technical (i.e. uses maths/physics) career options available to me that don't require a further postgrad qualification.

I strongly urge you to rethink your degree and career choices bearing this in mind; apart from things like specialist finance/actuarial roles, and mathematical/theoretical physics research or teaching, I don't think there's any career path closed off to you if you decide to do engineering. Ultimately the skills you obtain from an engineering degree will be more appliable.

Also, if this applies to you, PLEASE don't use your "interest in pursuing maths research" as the main reason for undertaking a maths degree, if anything remove it from your reasons and consider whether you'd still want to do the course. I got what was the equivalent of A*A*A* at A level, a 1 in STEP I, and a Distinction in the Maths AEA. Pretty soon I realised this means very little once you start uni, and is in no way evidence of your ability to pursue the subject at research level. Maths at uni is a completely different ballgame, where until you actually do the modules, its difficult to determine whether you'll enjoy them and perfom well in them.

If you do decide to carry on with maths, I'd suggest you go to a university which also has a decent aerospace department, so you can switch in your first year if you change your mind, and so you can also possibly take modules from the engineering department.

If you're interested, the MSc aerospace subject areas available or relatively easily accessible to maths grads are predominantly in Fluid Dynamics (more Computational than Experimental of course). I may also take a shot in applying for propulsion and thermodynamics related courses, though even this will require a considerable amount of catching up IMO. Funding is also something to bear in mind. You will not be automatically entitled to any government funding, which may result in you having to fork out something in the region of 10-15 k to cover mainentance and tuition fee costs, or borrow from a bank. There are scholarships/bursaries available, but you apply for them only after recieving the offer for the course. In other words, you can't really assume you're going to get any funding.

Finally, having attended various aerospace related careers fairs, I'll tell you what the employers seem to say. Many say that they are happy to accept applications from maths grads (assuming no MSc), but they'll give favour and priority to the engineers. In today's competitive job market, this makes securing a job almost impossible. Pretty much all of them agree on the fact that I'll improve my odds (and knowledge) by doing a Masters, which is what I'm doing now... :smile:

EDIT: Sorry didn't see your final question. Yes there are other jobs in aerospace firms, such as finance, purchasing, logistics, etc. All of them are a lot more stats oriented than physics/engineering related though. Any other questions PM me :smile:


Excellent advice, I remember reading this a few years ago when I had the problem. Chose Maths anyway, and now I really regret it. If you want to do engineering do an engineering degree. Simple as that.

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