Why is Babar Ahmed being extradited to the US?

in your view, why do countries conclude extradition treaties ?

it's not like the UK invented this practice

The UK not inventing it, other countries doing it DOES NOT MEAN it is a good idea... there are more poor people in the world than rich people, does that mean we should be poor? and we should support poverty? no, didn't think so.

which is all well and good, until you realise how the the British state isn't really on your side, more evident with the complicit nature of the security service in relation to Rendition, ie. with the case at the moment in Libya and the case of Binyam Mohammed too. In reality, the 'fair trial' concept is something that exists only on the surface- the reality of the american legal system is that usually you can never win against the state, PARTICULARLY when you are accused of terrorism.

Babar Ahmed is living proof that the UK government can arrest anyone it wishes and keep them in custody for 8 years without giving the accused the chance to challenge the evidence in court.

Democracy is a beautiful thing isn't it

Babar Ahmed is living proof that the UK government can arrest anyone it wishes and keep them in custody for 8 years without giving the accused the chance to challenge the evidence in court.

Democracy is a beautiful thing isn't it

Babar Ahmed is still in custody because he has used all possible ways of recourse for fighting extradition

these procedures, unfortunately, take up a lot of time

if he had accepted to be tried in the US, he would have had the possibility to challenge the evidence in court

extraditions treaties are concluded because each side trusts the other, and considers that its justice system allows for a fair trial

if a State considers that another State does not ensure fair trials, it should not conclude an extradition treaty with it

and that's the way democratic countries operate

I may be wrong but didnt he spend 8 years fighting the extradition? If he wanted to face his evidence in court, he could of not fought it and been extradited fairly quickly.

So you think it is fair to be extradited to another country without knowing why exactly prior to extradition?

Its fair to be locked up in solitary confinement in a supermax prison in a foreign land whilst you are YET to hear what you are accused of?

Extradited FIRST then seeing the so-called ''evidence'' he is challenging? Justice?

Also, not to mention the physical, religious and sexual abuse he has endured at the hand of the police.

most countries in the world have extradition treaties

basically, since most judicial systems don't prosecute crimes committed in foreign countries, extradition treaties are concluded so that State A can, on a basis of reciprocity, obtain from State B and then try defendants who are accused of committing crimes in the territory of State A and who would otherwise escape prosecution

this practice has a long tradition and corresponds to a clear necessity in fight against crime

So that british citizen who hosted the Tvshack website, should be sent to the US? event hough he didn't break any laws here?

for the love of god, please actually read the case before you post. Nowhere is there evidence that he 'wants us all dead', nor is there evidence that his website was in america (it was in London) and why should he be imprisoned for life because he dosen't love the British government?

Babar Ahmed is living proof that the UK government can arrest anyone it wishes and keep them in custody for 8 years without giving the accused the chance to challenge the evidence in court.

Democracy is a beautiful thing isn't it

The fact is, we know people with these views hate westerners. You just look at the hatred many muslims have on here for the west to realise there is millions more out there who share their views, and are possibly a danger too us.

This guy would not be locked up like this unless there was significant evidence (which the US has and you dont I might add) that he is involved in some way with terrorist/jihadist activities.

You seem to think that just because he hasnt blown loads of people up yet that he is totally innocent.

Right.

I applaud our governments on how serious they take this issue, they let them all migrate here, they should use the full force of the law to prevent them from hurting us.

Of course, muslims wont like this as they wouldnt care and are probably happy when westerners get killed by Islamic terrorists.

Why on earth would muslims be happy about this !? You are making massive generalisations and you still havent provided a source with the views Babar exactly has.

I don't know the details of that case

However : extradition treaties are necessary and needed

without extradition treaties, any criminal who manages to leave the country where he committed a crime would go scot-free

States don't establish the guilt of an accused person before extraditing him.

For extradition to take place, there is usually the "double criminality" requirement (e.g. the accusation should be legally prosecutable in both countries)

This requirement, however, is removed under some extradition agreements, such as in the context of the European Arrest Warrant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_arrest_warrant#Double_criminality and in particular for crimes linked to terrorism

How moronic, you do know this happens in jails/with governments across the planet? More so and even more unfairly so than the UK or US?

People are jailed for years with no proper trial for things like carrying drugs, which IMO is far less serious and evil than plotting to kill innocent people because of your backward beliefs.

I KNOW this occurs in countries across the world. And these are the SAME countries that the UK/US governments hypocritically brand as undemocratic or whatever.. And he hasn't been convicted, so your argument is invalid