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Probability 6 mark question??! Can you do it?

Can you help me/ explain how to do it on this question? I've circled the part that I don't understand :smile:

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Thanks.

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Reply 1
Do "none work part time" and "1 works part time"

then think
Reply 2
Original post by TenOfThem
Do "none work part time" and "1 works part time"

then think


I know 1-p0-p1 = at least 2

But i don't know why on the marks scheme it says

P(full-time) = 23/40

I thought p(0) = 5/6 ^8
Reply 3
Out of the "20" employees how many are part time?
Reply 4
Original post by TenOfThem
Out of the "20" employees how many are part time?

9:11 = 20 people :smile:
1/3 male part time and 1/2 female part time

How many?? Sorry! :frown: I wish I was as good as you, but with your help I know i will one day get maybe close!
Original post by blueray
9:11 = 20 people :smile:
1/3 male part time and 1/2 female part time

How many?? Sorry! :frown: I wish I was as good as you, but with your help I know i will one day get maybe close!


3 males are part time and 5.5 females are part time
Reply 6
Not sure, but I think you can use a combination method to find the probability. Find the total number of combinations and subtract from there with the given conditions. Finally divide your remaining combinations by total to get the probability.
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Reply 7
Original post by GreenLantern1
3 males are part time and 5.5 females are part time


How did you get that?
Reply 8
Original post by blueray
How did you get that?


1/3 * 9

1/2 * 11

What's the final answer from the MS?
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Reply 9
Original post by TenOfThem
Out of the "20" employees how many are part time?



Original post by Azland
1/3 * 9

1/2 * 11

What's the final answer from the MS?

THanks :smile: 1- 0.0119 -0.0706 =0.917

Original post by GreenLantern1
3 males are part time and 5.5 females are part time


Ok so 3 males are part time and 5.5 females are part time. But you can't get 5.5 of a female?

If you can/can't, what is the next step to get 23/40???
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Original post by blueray
THanks :smile: 1- 0.0119 -0.0706 =0.917



Ok so 3 males are part time and 5.5 females are part time. But you can't get 5.5 of a female?

If you can/can't, what is the next step to get 23/40???

Well if 3 males and 5.5 females are part time, then 8.5/20 are part time, and 11.5/20 are not. This can also be 23/40 and 17/40 - you get the same answer. Then just plug it into your binomial distribution :smile:
Original post by blueray

Ok so 3 males are part time and 5.5 females are part time. But you can't get 5.5 of a female?


It's important to note the question doesn't say there are 20 employees. That's just the ratio. So you have 5.5 females part time per 20 employees. :smile:




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Reply 12
Original post by CharlieBoardman
Well if 3 males and 5.5 females are part time, then 8.5/20 are part time, and 11.5/20 are not. This can also be 23/40 and 17/40 - you get the same answer. Then just plug it into your binomial distribution :smile:


Cheers your a legend! :biggrin:

Original post by hassi94
It's important to note the question doesn't say there are 20 employees. That's just the ratio. So you have 5.5 females part time per 20 employees. :smile:


Oh right that makes so much sense now!
Where 17/40 = part time; 23/40 = full time...

(1740+2340)8=[br][br](87)1720(2340)7+(88)(2340)8=0.08260608613[br][br]10.08260608613=0.9173939139(\frac{17}{40} + \frac{23}{40})^8=[br][br]\displaystyle \binom{8}{7} \frac{17}{20} \left( \frac{23}{40} \right)^7 + \displaystyle \binom{8}{8} \left(\frac{23}{40}\right)^8 = 0.08260608613[br][br]1 - 0.08260608613 = 0.9173939139
hope this isn't too late :P
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Original post by blueray
Cheers your a legend! :biggrin:



Oh right that makes so much sense now!


No worries :smile:
Reply 15
Original post by CharlieBoardman
Where 17/40 = part time; 23/40 = full time...

(1740+2340)8=[br][br](87)1720(2340)7+(88)(2340)8=0.08260608613[br][br]10.08260608613=0.9173939139(\frac{17}{40} + \frac{23}{40})^8=[br][br]\displaystyle \binom{8}{7} \frac{17}{20} \left( \frac{23}{40} \right)^7 + \displaystyle \binom{8}{8} \left(\frac{23}{40}\right)^8 = 0.08260608613[br][br]1 - 0.08260608613 = 0.9173939139
hope this isn't too late :P


Lol it's fine :biggrin: I did 1-po-p1 and got that answer! Thanks :biggrin: ( I am good at that, just knowing what they want is the longer part! )
Original post by CharlieBoardman
No worries :smile:


I know this may sound really daft, but why would I divide 8.5/20 ??? I mean 8.5 is the part time workers, we worked that out from timesing it from the ration 9:11.....so why divide by 20?
Original post by blueray
Lol it's fine :biggrin: I did 1-po-p1 and got that answer! Thanks :biggrin: ( I am good at that, just knowing what they want is the longer part! )


I know this may sound really daft, but why would I divide 8.5/20 ??? I mean 8.5 is the part time workers, we worked that out from timesing it from the ration 9:11.....so why divide by 20?

Ah ok :smile:

If you look at the ratio you will see where the 20 comes from. The ratio is 9:11. This means there are 9 males for every 11 females. So, if we had 20 workers, 9 would be male, and 11 female :smile: hence 9/20 are male and 11/20 a female.

Now, a third of male work part time, and half of females work part time. A third of 9/20 is 3/20. A half of 11/20 is 5.5/20. So in total 8.5/20 work part time. :smile:

Does this explain what you wanted? :smile:
Reply 17
Original post by Azland
1/3 * 9

1/2 * 11

What's the final answer from the MS?



Original post by CharlieBoardman
Ah ok :smile:

If you look at the ratio you will see where the 20 comes from. The ratio is 9:11. This means there are 9 males for every 11 females. So, if we had 20 workers, 9 would be male, and 11 female :smile: hence 9/20 are male and 11/20 a female.

Now, a third of male work part time, and half of females work part time. A third of 9/20 is 3/20. A half of 11/20 is 5.5/20. So in total 8.5/20 work part time. :smile:

Does this explain what you wanted? :smile:


Oh ok, but then why did the above times by 9 and 11m if just did that? :biggrin: Why not do what you did? :s-smilie:
Original post by blueray
Oh ok, but then why did the above times by 9 and 11m if just did that? :biggrin: Why not do what you did? :s-smilie:

They are both the same things essentially. However, he was just showing you how to get the numerator, assuming you would have known the denominator would be 20.
1/3 *9 and 1/2 *11, is the same as: 9/3 and 11/2. Both give you 3 and 5.5 to get your 8.5 numerator :smile:
Reply 19
Original post by CharlieBoardman
They are both the same things essentially. However, he was just showing you how to get the numerator, assuming you would have known the denominator would be 20.
1/3 *9 and 1/2 *11, is the same as: 9/3 and 11/2. Both give you 3 and 5.5 to get your 8.5 numerator :smile:


Ok :biggrin: I am now fully aware on this topic, thanks :smile:

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