what would happen if people had a white or caucasian society at a university

Organised oppression against black people no longer happens. Is there still a need for UNCF? No.

Such groups should be designed to help POOR people, not people of a certain ethnicity.

Yes, it would be a good thing. However, blacks are NOT banned from universities in America! Maybe they once were, but these problems have been resolved, meaning there is no need for groups such as the UNCF!

Cambridge University Black Society. It's so all-encompassing it's essentially a non-white society!

Yes, and that is the base principle, which i have already agreed with. But it isnt racist, when you look at societal reasoning for why such decisons are taken. There is no ill thought towards white people, who are already catered for well enough by a range of other scholarships, and of whom most don't scholarships anyway, since a high proportion already go to university. Dictioary definitions without any insight into the hows and whys won't get you many marks in an exam, will it?

You believe that there are reasons which justify a society discriminating in favour of Blacks. Could you tell me what they are?

Hmmm so what would you say about the Gym Gym (Welsh society) at my university? Seeing that it's something like 98% white in Wales you could count this as a 'white society'

As regards having a 'white society' in a place where whites are the minority (like Trinidad).. I think it would be fine to have one,

if others were welcome to join,but tell me, what exactly would be white trinidadian culture (not counting whatever we've adopted from the States and other foreign countries)? If you could define that for me I would be well surprised.

It's such a shame Lawz that you make our country sound like a place where you have to run and hide if you're white when that's clearly not the case. I have white friends who don't nearly seem to have the same idea of the place as you do.. perhaps you get what you're looking for. If you think that people are out to get you just because you're different from the majority then eventually you'll find what you're so set on proving.

When an entire society has discriminated against blacks for a long period of time and they are downtrodden into a poor social position, a certain reverse discrimination is needed to redress the balance and give them the opportunity that those at the top of the social scale receive, otherwise the discrimination will always be in place. Once equality of opportunity is established, all discrimination becomes unnecessary.

Lawz, come on, just accept the difference between the race situation in America and Britain. The origins of Howard University was to give oppurtunities to black people in educatio who were discrimintaed against in normal universities. You agree with this, but we'retalking about the present day.

1. Blacks are still disadvantaged when it comes to education and socio-economic status in America.

2. The University is open to all races - here your argument falls apart. It's just totally illogical to dispute this point. Of COURSE a historically black University, whose alumni is largely black and whose roots are in the civil rights movement are going to be proud of this. The fact is - whites can go too. Theres absolutely no discrimination involved. The political situation around race is totally different in America to Britain. It's too totally different standards. So EVEN IF you were right on this point, it WOULD NOT be an example of double standards compared to an Afro-Caribbean society at University.

Welllll said! ^
It's impossible nowadays to completely separate issues of race and social exclusion/poverty... they are not mutually exclusive and to carry on an argument as if they were is just being in glorious denial of the truth.

When an entire society has discriminated against blacks for a long period of time and they are downtrodden into a poor social position, a certain reverse discrimination is needed to redress the balance and give them the opportunity that those at the top of the social scale receive, otherwise the discrimination will always be in place. Once equality of opportunity is established, all discrimination becomes unnecessary.

There are black welshman.

Seeing that its a WELSH society and not a white one then no you couldnt. There are black welshman.



Perhaps you do. People would call it racist I assure you.



Of course much of the culture has been adopted from elsewhere, such as TV etc etc. However that is the same with cmuch of black west indian culture. That is not to say that there are not distinct elements that have evolved over time.

Still thats to miss the point entirely. It wasnt saying a white society for white WEST INDIAN culture - but ALL white culture.

When an entire society has discriminated against blacks for a long period of time and they are downtrodden into a poor social position, a certain reverse discrimination is needed to redress the balance and give them the opportunity that those at the top of the social scale receive, otherwise the discrimination will always be in place. Once equality of opportunity is established, all discrimination becomes unnecessary.

SOCIAL scale... social.

Reverse discrimination is about reversing centuries of economic depravity. I tmakes no sense to favour a rich black child who went to private school over a poor white one who stuck it out in an inner-city one.

Or you think it does?

EXACTLY.. 'Welsh' not 'white' because we all know that's just bloody ridiculous don't we.. as i've already said, it's about culture and white, as far as i know, is not a culture.

If you created a 'White Society' in Trinidad or anywhere else, I'm sure people would call it racist as calling it this seems to put the emphasis on skin colour. On the other hand, a society based on culture is fine.

BUT... You still have managed to eloquently avoid SPECIFICALLY DEFINING WHTE CULTURE. If you could post one simple reply giving me an explicit definition of white culture I would be much obliged.

I said NO SUCH THING. Thank you so much for putting words in my mouth, overblowing my contention, and posting a post of mine that is entirely irrelevant to your point.

Seriously, Congratulations.

When an entire society has discriminated against blacks for a long period of time and they are downtrodden into a poor social position, a certain reverse discrimination is needed to redress the balance and give them the opportunity that those at the top of the social scale receive, otherwise the discrimination will always be in place. Once equality of opportunity is established, all discrimination becomes unnecessary.

No you are right, that post was not part of my main argument I was just responding to that one off post. However on a side note if you actually look into the UNCF you will see that the vast majority of its students are from poor backgrounds, thus further emphasising the real reason it was set up.

Of course you can separate them.

You look at wealth or you look at race. you dont need to look at both.