Man exposes penis at feminist rally

I have no reason to suspect that they aren't telling the truth when they say they were raped, so why would I put it like that? To me, saying it like that just seems to be accusing them of lying. I dont know, maybe you arent really feeling as empathetic because you didnt see the program.

LOL, is that all it means, really?

Well, excuse me, but in that case I don't know a single person, male or female, myself included that doesn't 'structure daily activities to avoid being raped'.

So one wonders why that emotive language was used exactly, if not to make women feel even more the victim, incite feminists to the cause and demonise men everywhere as evil rapists.

1 in 6 women will be raped? I don't think you truly believe that. It depends on whose statistics you trust. The UN would disagree. In the US, it is around 30 cases per 100,000 population, or 0.0003% annually. And that is recorded rapes.

I'm not supporting what that guy did at all. I like how you take the whole "if you're not with us, you must be against us attitude", make extremely offensive assumptions (I don't know how you can read that into any of my posts at all) and immediately condemn me as some sort of scum.

Nice to see the usual feminazi prejudice, it wasn't at all unexpected.

I think it only counts if you actually consciously act that way to prevent rape in particular and you think "doing x will lower my chances of being raped", otherwise you're doing it just to be safe generally.

No, I think it was written by someone who was so angry at the fact someone thought it was okay to expose themselves to rape/sexual assault survivors and didn't properly think through the words they were using and didn't really read through what they put.

I used RAINNs and no, I don't believe one in six women are raped. If you'd actually read what I put, it was rape OR ATTEMPTED RAPE. Which are entirely different. I think it was something like 14% (of that one out of six) which were rapes? (cba to check)

Let's be honest though, not all rapes are going to be recorded - particularly if it's a woman raping a man because many people won't take him seriously (because obviously a man just wants sex with a woman all the time it couldn't possibly be rape!!!!!!! and I mean men are so masculine surely he could have just overpowered her!!! he must have been hard so he wanted it!!! kind of attitudes). Similarly, marital rape/rape by a partner is probably less likely to be reported (idk, makes sense though, you see the trend in domestic abuse so). Rape is supposed to be an under reported crime. On RAINN's site it says out of every 100 rapes only 46 are reported to the police. This is inclusive of both male and female rapes.

The last 3 paragraphs were not aimed at your post. They were general comments, referring to the people who think that someone else's pain is funny. It wasn't about you at all. It was about "all these people on here who are laughing about it". Last time I checked, you weren't laughing about it. Therefore it was not about you. I thought I'd made that clear with the sentence "all thse people...etc" but apparently not. Sorry. Don't appreciate being called a feminazi though.

Although I mean you're right, I'm such a feminazi because I don't believe that people's traumatic experiences should be poked fun at! Really appreciate being called a feminazi when all I've done is 1) answer your question and 2) because I think people who laugh at others' traumatic experiences are ****ty people.

I admit, I probably did overreact a wee bit because I was so angry that people thought what he did was worthy of praise and my last sentence was going too far but I do not think it is very nice of someone to think it's okay for a person to expose themselves to a rape victim, when that could potentially be very triggering to them (because tbh it would be extremely weird if there was a SlutWalk when not a single person had been a victim of sexual assault or rape). I'm sure you agree on that.

i agree with you with the bottom part of your post, although the fact i'm trying to show is the fact that the 2% rate isn't 2-3% , rather it is higher than 2-3% and therefore more prevalent than people let on. And note, rape isn't a common crime commited within itself, therefore i'm not trying to argue that false rape allegations are a prevalent crime when compared to other crimes, rather within the number of rape allegations. moreover with feminists widening the definition of the term rape, then the number of false rape allegations are bound to be less

Ah, just what this thread needs, the bald assertion, without argument, of free will...

I think what they mean by that is they choose things that will minimise their chances of being raped, not necessarily "daily" activities but "every day" activities, since structuring daily activities to avoid being raped doesn't really make sense because "daily activities" to me mean stuff like having a bath, making food, going to work/school etc (although I guess for travelling to work you could make sure you do certain things to minimise chances of being raped)

Well, excuse me, but in that case I don't know a single person, male or female, myself included that doesn't 'structure daily activities to avoid being raped'.

I think it only counts if you actually consciously act that way to prevent rape in particular and you think "doing x will lower my chances of being raped", otherwise you're doing it just to be safe generally.

Doesn't change a thing. All the choices I make in my daily life are conscious choices and considered behaviour. As are almost every other person. Apart from those who are sleepwalking.

Ah, just what this thread needs, the bald assertion, without argument, of free will...

Doesn't change a thing. All the choices I make in my daily life are conscious choices and considered behaviour. As are almost every other person. Apart from those who are sleepwalking.

Yes. Yes they are. Well done. But do you go "I'll do this, so I don't get raped"?

Admit it, it was a stupid comment. The fact that hardly anyone has jumped in to object to me saying it is a stupid comment just demonstrates that it would be a bear trap to try and justify that in any logical sense without looking foolish. So they choose to anonymously neg my comment instead.

It wasn't necessarily a stupid comment because there will be some people out there, rape victims, who will be so affected by this rape (perhaps with PTSD?) that their experience will influence a significant amount of their life and choices.

Maybe they're negging you because they see it's futile to try to argue with you? Or they're busy? Or they just cba? (I actually don't know why I'm replying...seriously need to write this essay...)


So why are you trying to justify that language?

I was answering your question with what I think it means. Well, what it should mean imo.

CBA to check? CBA to give too much effort to reply you mean.

Yeah, I have an exam tomorrow so please please please forgive me for not putting in the appropriate amount of effort. I am so very sorry

First you say "no, I don't believe one in six women are raped." Then you quote statistics that indicate "something like 14% (of that one out of six) which were rapes?"

How do you not understand the difference between that? It's pretty simplistic. I don't believe one in six women are raped. I believe one in six women are a victim of rape OR ATTEMPTED RAPE. I really can't put this any clearer. There is a difference between rape and attempted rape.

Do you even know how to construct a coherent argument? At least use consistency.

My 100% and 94% in my history exams, which relies on coherent and consistent arguments suggests that yes, yes I do.

FYI RAINN claims its 14.8%. That's 14.8% of all women have suffered actual completed rapes or put another way - 1 in 6 women. (Not 14% of 1 in 6).

Ooh okay, sorry, I didn't actually check (supposed to be LNATing). I was just going on memory.

And that's completely ignoring that 14.8% is closer to 1 in 7. (1 in 6.75)

So if you are saying that you don't believe that 1 in 6 women were raped, then you are saying that RAINNs statstics are a load of bull.

I thought the 1 in 6 included the attempted rape. So that's 14.8% + 2.8% attempted rape. Wouldn't that be nearer to 1 in 6 then? (p.s the one in six includes the attempted rape. Just thought I'd say this because you keep ignoring the attempted rape part)

The bit in bold is just silly. I wouldn't dare mock female rape in that way.

Oh dear god. I was not mocking male rape. Did you not note the ridiculous amount of ! which indicated it was a sarcastic comment? Did you note read the "kind of attitudes" at the end that indicated that those were the attitudes others had, and that they were stupid attitudes that prevented victims from getting justice? I was attempting to highlight the ridiculous nature of attitudes towards male rape because surely no reasonable person would believe what I put there. Next time I shall put /sarcasm at the end.

How does RAINN know how much rape is unreported and how much isn't? Because unreported means just that. Any attempt to quantify it will be largely subjective, extrapolated data and not far off meeting the prejudices of those doing the analysis.

Unreported to the police. I think they use surveys and anonymous functions to estimate how much is unreported. Idk man, ask them, not me. I don't work for them.

Well, you deserved it. Why pick a post where you were quoting me to sound off like that without making the distinction?

I thought you were able enough to figure it out. I thought the part where I said "those people" specified which people I was referring to. I overestimated your ability, forgive me. I have edited it now, to clarify.

No, you were (justifiably in my opinion) called a feminazi because of the language and tone of your post which was a direct reply to me. Go back and read it again.

I read it again and I don't see any justification in you calling me a feminazi. What makes you think I'm a feminazi? You don't even know if I'm a feminist! Making snap judgments I see

Does this line ring any bells? "Do you honestly think some women are "asking for it" because of what they wear? You think they should be blamed?"

THAT WAS NOT AIMED AT YOU JESUS ****ING CHRIST HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THAT. I swear I made that clear in my last post...you know, the part where I said "the last 3 paragraphs were not aimed at your post" aka they were not aimed at you!

It would be extremely weird if they had all been victims of sexual assault or rape survivors as that article and several posters were trying to imply was the reason for the march, as opposed to what I've been saying from page 1, that they are primarily feminists showing solidarity with other feminists.

What on earth are you on about? Do try and follow the conversation...


Doesn't have quite the same meaning as the enormously ridiculous conclusion you just jumped to, does it?

I'm not really sure what you're saying, but my point about your source is that it was claiming that false reporting of rape would be higher because of reasons X and Y. The point is though, that doesn't mean that false reporting will be higher for rape than other crimes, because the method for counting false reporting of all crimes is the same. Feminists have had no impact on the definition of 'rape' in this country, that's just not true.

maybe, but still, if a court decided that the guy is innocent, continuing calling him an attacker is unfair.

also, you do have a reason to suspect they (at least that particular one referred to at the end of the article) are lying : the court's decision.

Turning this around completely, what reason do you have to suspect that the man isn't telling the truth when he says that the sex was consensual?

Be honest now...

Yes. Yes they are. Well done. But do you go "I'll do this, so I don't get raped"?

It wasn't necessarily a stupid comment because there will be some people out there, rape victims, who will be so affected by this rape (perhaps with PTSD?) that their experience will influence a significant amount of their life and choices.

Maybe they're negging you because they see it's futile to try to argue with you? Or they're busy? Or they just cba? (I actually don't know why I'm replying...seriously need to write this essay...)

I was answering your question with what I think it means. Well, what it should mean imo.

Yeah, I have an exam tomorrow so please please please forgive me for not putting in the appropriate amount of effort. I am so very sorry

How do you not understand the difference between that? It's pretty simplistic. I don't believe one in six women are raped. I believe one in six women are a victim of rape OR ATTEMPTED RAPE. I really can't put this any clearer. There is a difference between rape and attempted rape.

My 100% and 94% in my history exams, which relies on coherent and consistent arguments suggests that yes, yes I do.

Ooh okay, sorry, I didn't actually check (supposed to be LNATing). I was just going on memory.

I thought the 1 in 6 included the attempted rape. So that's 14.8% + 2.8% attempted rape. Wouldn't that be nearer to 1 in 6 then? (p.s the one in six includes the attempted rape. Just thought I'd say this because you keep ignoring the attempted rape part)

Oh dear god. I was not mocking male rape. Did you not note the ridiculous amount of ! which indicated it was a sarcastic comment? Did you note read the "kind of attitudes" at the end that indicated that those were the attitudes others had, and that they were stupid attitudes that prevented victims from getting justice? I was attempting to highlight the ridiculous nature of attitudes towards male rape because surely no reasonable person would believe what I put there. Next time I shall put /sarcasm at the end.

Unreported to the police. I think they use surveys and anonymous functions to estimate how much is unreported. Idk man, ask them, not me. I don't work for them.

I thought you were able enough to figure it out. I thought the part where I said "those people" specified which people I was referring to. I overestimated your ability, forgive me. I have edited it now, to clarify.

I read it again and I don't see any justification in you calling me a feminazi. What makes you think I'm a feminazi? You don't even know if I'm a feminist! Making snap judgments I see

THAT WAS NOT AIMED AT YOU JESUS ****ING CHRIST HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THAT. I swear I made that clear in my last post...you know, the part where I said "the last 3 paragraphs were not aimed at your post" aka they were not aimed at you!

Well of course they won't be, but I imagine many of them will be - that kind of event will attract victims. Even if there was only one victim in the bunch, that still means one potential trigger.

I think they were trying to show solidarity with rape victims, to show that they supported them and they believed that rape is rape, no matter what circumstances it occurs in, no matter how drunk the victim was or what they were wearing, or how many people they had sex with.

Either way, we don't know if they were primarily non-victims, or primarily victims and we probably won't be able to find out. Could be either really.

there is no getting through to you. clearly my style of writing is not one which you can understand and fully comprehend, therefore any effort on my part to get through to you will be futile.

I enjoy you're hyperbole I really do, but yes I did manage to follow the conversation, as ridiculously, enormously and stupendously complicated as it was. You said that every day you make 'conscious choices' and act in a way shaped by 'considered behaviour'. My point is that that's highly debatable given the status of the debate over free will. It's a non trivial point in the context of this thread, given that feminism centres on internal barriers to action, and ultimately the question of how much of individuals' behaviour, if any, can be attributed to their agency, and how much can be attributed to the forces of society. I'm not sure what 'conclusion' you thought I was making, but I think your statement clearly implies an assertion of free will, given that you say you make 'conscious choices every day'.

I dont have any reason to suspect that he isnt telling the truth, but as explained above, the article is sympathetic of the women and, maybe, simply echoes their points of view and beliefs. It might also be a factor that I am female too and can sympathise with the women more easily than with the man. That doesnt necessarily mean, though, that I prioritise their words over the accused... and like someone said before (maybe you? Cant remember) in many cases it is one person's word against another, in which case it comes down to a matter of opinion. I personally dont see why someone would make this up and lie about something like this, (although sadly people do) and especially go on some program about rape and talk about it.

What a horrible person. A man exposing his penis is not being funny, he is being threatening. No-one has the right to do that to anyone.

It is undeniable that I make conscious choices and decisions. As do everyone else. Whether or not that can be truly considered 'free will' doesn't come into it.

dw - i dont want to have a debate..

anyone who thinks that upsetting rape victims and then laughing at them, is funny..

isnt someone clever enough to string together a good debate about anything at all serious...

now go away

For those of you still doubting whether what he did was wrong (and I do wonder if there’s something wrong with you, if you have doubts), let me give you an analogous situation. Imagine a gathering of black civil rights activists. Imagine Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, Rosa Parks, and all their colleagues gathered together to demonstrate that being black did not make them lesser people. That being black and living in the South did not mean they were “asking” to be the target of hate crimes.

And at this gathering, a white man decides he should teach them a lesson by pointedly hanging a noose from the nearest tree and laughing at their anger. And other white men, laughing along with him, commend him for taking these activists down a peg.

That’s what happened here. It’s not an “OMG, I can’t believe he did that!” moment. It’s an “OMG, there are people who think this is okay” moment. And the fact is, it’s not. It never will be. And that’s the take home message of this ridiculous rant I’ve written up"

Or the guy is a survivor of women like this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204712/Woman-falsely-claimed-raped-men-regretted-having-sex-jailed-years.html

And there is absolutely no way of substantiating the bolded bit.

IMO slutwalk makes men feel quite threatened. They think that women like the article above or other women to a lesser extent will hide behind the slutwalk mantra while actually doing something nasty. Yeah, gender bias thinking, and I don't particularly think like that, but from the feminist bloggers there is a lot of 'they should all understand and agree with slutwalks best intentions or they are all misogynists' and not much actual 'is this the best way to get guys/society to change their perceptions'.

I knew someone would bring up the 'crying rape' thing. A tiny percentage of women do this (although it is devastating for the people wrongly accused, but it's very rare) but it affects millions of rape victims who can't get their rapists convicted because there will always be some doubt that they're faking.

I don't think guys are threatened by slutwalks. Most guys I know think it's a complete joke, and don't care about the sentiment behind it, which is why I think they should keep doing them.