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OCR (not MEI) Core 4 January 2013

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Reply 60
Original post by Little Wing
I think it was 8 + ln27/4

The co-ordinates i'm sure were: 1,root2 and 1,-root2
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Happy to hear you got that! i hate questions where the answers look really dodgy
Reply 61
Original post by JuniorL
Areas can be negative, think about if the curve was below the x-axis for the limits of x.


You can have negative definite integrals but you cant have negative areas.
You can work out area using a negative integral but its not a negative area.

Think about it for a second, "a negative area"
Its like saying the length of the sides of a cube is -4cm.
Err... Anybody else found that to be a b**** of an exam? Now I have to get 100 in C3 and hope I end up with over 80 UMS. Why are they doing this to us?!?!?!
As far as a I can remember:
1) x/3 *sinx +1/9 *Cosx +C
2) 27 -72x +32X^2 With |x|9/16

4) Vector Question... Point of intersection was (5,4,6) but I can't remember the constants. Angle was~68

The co-ordinates were (1, -Root(2)) (1, Root(2)) (stat point question)


Parametrics: 2/3Tan(Theta) was dy/dx, theta was .6435, co-ordinates (3.8, -.6)

AB=AD=Root(24)
Vector question can't remember. But when the constant (s,t, lambda, etc) was 5 c lay on the line.

It was a kite.

Substitution had limits 2 and 1 (in U) and was 1/64 (I got this wrong, does anybody know how many marks it was?)

ln(theta +20)=-Kt +c

C=ln 60

t=-20ln(1/3) = 22

Last question:
X-1 +(x+7)/(X^2 -x -6)

X-1 +2/(X-3) -1/(x+2)

After integration and limits, 8+ln(27/4)
(edited 11 years ago)
Reply 64
Original post by s.aley
You can have negative definite integrals but you cant have negative areas.
You can work out area using a negative integral but its not a negative area.

Think about it for a second, "a negative area"
Its like saying the length of the sides of a cube is -4cm.


Fair point. Thanks.
Reply 65
For the parametrics question, wasn't finding theta unnecessary?

if you got to 2/3tan(theta) =1/2
then tan(theta) = 3/4

By knowing your 3,4,5 Triangle, exact values of sin(theta) and cos(theta) Just pops out nicely from there, which you could put back into x and y.
Original post by mathsman77
And i think you are right to do so, as y2=2x, where x = - 1 or +1

therefore, y = root of -2
therefore, no solution


Surely it should be 1,root 2 and -1, root 2 ?


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Original post by Coolina133
Surely it should be 1,root 2 and -1, root 2 ?


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i read the question very carefully, it specifically said stationary points and in past papers when it has said stationary point, there is one answer, and when it says stationary points its more than one answer.

however i only got (1,root 2)
y^2=2x , if x=-1 y=root-2 which is impossible
Original post by Hazofhorsham
As far as a I can remember:
1) x/3 *sinx +1/9 *Cosx +C
2) 27 -72x +32X^2 With |x|9/16

4) Vector Question... Point of intersection was (5,4,6) but I can't remember the constants. Angle was~68

The co-ordinates were (1, -Root(2)) (1, Root(2)) (stat point question)

Parametrics: 2/3Tan(Theta) was dy/dx, theta was .6435

AB=AD=Root(24)
Vector question can't remember. But when the constant (s,t, lambda, etc) was 5 c lay on the line.
It was a kite.

Substitution was 1/64 (I got this wrong, does anybody know how many marks it was?)

ln(theta +20)=-Kt +c

C=ln 60

t=-20ln(1/3) = 22

Last question:
X-1 +(x+7)/(X^2 -x -6)

X-1 +2/(X-3) -1/(x+2)

After integration and limits, 8+ln(27/4)


I stupidly got my c to equal ln 40 grrr
And i got 1 root 2 for my coordinates. I said my shapes a parallelogram ( random guess)



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Original post by printergirl
i read the question very carefully, it specifically said stationary points and in past papers when it has said stationary point, there is one answer, and when it says stationary points its more than one answer.

however i only got (1,root 2)
y^2=2x , if x=-1 y=root-2 which is impossible


Nope then its 2i :wink:.


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Original post by Coolina133
Nope then its 2i :wink:.


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yes but thats further maths which youre not expected to know in c4:tongue:
Original post by Coolina133
Nope then its 2i :wink:


22i\sqrt{-2} \neq 2i
Reply 72
Original post by printergirl
i read the question very carefully, it specifically said stationary points and in past papers when it has said stationary point, there is one answer, and when it says stationary points its more than one answer.

however i only got (1,root 2)
y^2=2x , if x=-1 y=root-2 which is impossible


It was 1,root2 AND 1, (-1*root2)
Reply 73
Original post by sj_1995
For the parametrics question, wasn't finding theta unnecessary?

if you got to 2/3tan(theta) =1/2
then tan(theta) = 3/4

By knowing your 3,4,5 Triangle, exact values of sin(theta) and cos(theta) Just pops out nicely from there, which you could put back into x and y.


Yep this is what I did!



In response to the rest of it..

I also got an error for the stat point question which confused me as it clearly asked for plural. But I got the other so hopefully won't be docked too many marks.

Most other answers that have been said I'm ok with, possibly have gone wrong on the last one but have got the method right and the 8 but for some reason I don't think I got ln(27/4)..perhaps I did.

Does anyone have the paper so Mr M can do the answers?
Reply 74
Does anyone have the paper so Mr M can do the answers?


^Ditto
Original post by Little Wing
It was 1,root2 AND 1, (-1*root2)


How did you get the 2nd one?
Reply 76
Original post by printergirl
How did you get the 2nd one?


X=1

2x= y^2

2=y^2

y=+or-root2
Original post by ben494
X=1

2x= y^2

2=y^2

y=+or-root2


D'oh! I forgot about that! Kept thinking people derived -root two from the x value -1 . :no: there goes my a *
What mark is 90 ums usually?
Reply 78
Original post by printergirl
D'oh! I forgot about that! Kept thinking people derived -root two from the x value -1 . :no: there goes my a *
What mark is 90 ums usually?


Anywhere between 60 and 67...I would say this paper was average in terms of difficulty so maybe 64/72 for 90?
Reply 79
Original post by printergirl
D'oh! I forgot about that! Kept thinking people derived -root two from the x value -1 . :no: there goes my a *
What mark is 90 ums usually?


Usually about 61/62 raw marks for 90 UMS. You'd only lose 1 mark for that though i think

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