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did any1 watch utds game against peterborugh- i was shocked to see rooney with the captains armband :eek:
if he cant control himself hows he going to control the team??? well im glad ferdinand got booed!!!
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did any1 watch utds game against peterborugh- i was shocked to see rooney with the captains armband :eek:
if he cant control himself hows he going to control the team??? well im glad ferdinand got booed!!!
no, but i know rooney got captainalised and i think rio should be sacked
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no, but i know rooney got captainalised and i think rio should be sacked
i dont think rio should be sacked, but im getting really peeved of by him. whats he waiting for- christmas :mad:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/4700341.stm
so much for rooney being captain!
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Yobo, Yobo, Yobo!
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Yobo, Yobo, Yobo!
... missed a penalty, missed a penalty, missed a penalty? :s:
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... missed a penalty, missed a penalty, missed a penalty? :s:
good things come in threes, come in threes, come in threes?
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good things come in threes, come in threes, come in threes?
Fives, in our case.
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Fives, in our case.
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... missed a penalty, missed a penalty, missed a penalty? :s:
F*ckin awful, wasn't it? :rofl:
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F*ckin awful, wasn't it? :rofl:
Yeh, it was fairly atrocious. I know you didn't have Cahill or Carsley playing, but what's to say you won't have injuries next season? If your lot get the injuries we did last season, you're gonna get screwed over.

Anyway, see here.
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Yobo was either incredibly confident at scoring his penalty or he had never taken one in his entire life. Argh killa at left back is a nono, he'll get slaughtered if he's played there next season.
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Anyway, see here.
Davies and Kroldrup might not have the hype of Peter Crouch but we've got 2 international players, 1 of which helped Udinese to the champions league and is highly rated in Italy.

Your defence is old and tiring, coming to the end of their contracts - and your bench opportunities aren't fantastic - Naysmith, anyone?
We've got rid of Stubbs and Pistone and our defence is left with:
Hibbert - 24y/o
Yobo - 25y/o
Kroldrup - 25y/o
Weir - 35y/o
Naysmith - 26y/o

Not exactly the oldest defence in the league. Naysmith is just crap, we must be so desperate for backups but I'm sure we'll be getting a new left back and center back before the CL campaign starts.

Your midfield is capable of grinding out 1-0, fugly matches, but no real flair or suitability to Europe.
1-0 is still a win and flat back 10 anyone?

The less said about your forwards the better. You've released your top scorer of last season.
We've released Cahill?

You're left with Beattie, a proven premiership player turned past it
He hasn't had much of a chance with his injuries and shannigans on the pitch and off it with his fugly hairstyle.

Big Dunc, a fugly player who can no longer tell if he's kicking the ball or a defender's head it (not that he'd care)
Delivered the goods against Man Utd so who cares

and if anyone cares to name James McFadden as a player of the future, I'll laugh in their face.
He's just crap

n short, you need to buck up your ideas. You need signings if you want to make it in Europe or continue at the top end of the Premiership. Else it's a long, slipper road downwards and I'm sure that any of Middlesborough, Bolton or even Newcastle would be happy to take your place.
We are going to make signings as we have a smaller squad than last season, a lack of transfer speculation these past few days doesn't mean we're not going to sign anyone. We're in Thailand right now and we're not going to be signing any players till next week, I think we're going to get 3 or 4 more before the deadline. I would like more players but 3 or 4 more players coming will end the summer spending and we can't afford to buy more than that unless we want to delve into the cl money which is silly as we haven't qualified and we will commit a Leeds if we don't qualify and spend that money.
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Christ people, you're all so mind-numbingly fickle. Sissoko is a very useful squad player
I agree, could be useful for you this season. What position does he play? (can't remember) - I'm sure you've already got a first teamer in his position who'll be picked ahead of him. Anyway, i'll give him a chance to prove himself for you before judging him - (could/should have joined us, however many players do decide to play for their old managers, don't blame him)
bought because Rafa knows him well from Valencia and because he's ready suited to the Premiership
Possibly. Let's see how he takes to the PRM before saying he's ready suited to it!

He's tall, he's fast, not bad on the ball and eager to tackle. Going quickly to Tony Le T,
He's sh*te! - He's the McFadden of the Redsh*te, i'd give him away to save his career..!

don't slate him before the season even begins.
Just did.

He's still a youngster fitting into the team, and it looks like he could have a good rapport with Cisse. His attitude seems to have sorted itself out, he just needs to work on his game
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A lot..

The most frustrating player that I watched last night, well a recording at about 3am this morning) was Luis Garcia. He squandered so much possession it was shocking, but it was his first game of the season, and he lacks sharpness.
I've said all along, he'll never be a decent premierleague player. He's much more suited to the Champions League, or probably in your case later on in the season, the UEFA cup, where he can have 10 minutes on the ball before deciding what to do with it..
Crouch was bought for very different reasons. As European Champions, it's clearly evident that Benitez knows how to win in Europe. To succeed domestically, Benitez has realised that different tactics and types of players are involved. If you (*ahem* Dan) watched any of the La Liga games of the Benitez-era, you'll see similarities in Carew and the player Benitez wants Crouch to be.
Although Carew has never played in England and so it's a bit silly to base a player on somebody who has never been proven in the league you are working in..! Better use for Crouch would be to take him down to the beach and use him as a surf board.. :cool:

You've also shown complete ignorance in branding Crouch's style as long-ball merchant. If we're going to have wingers scrambling up the touchline to put in corners, we need someone to bang them in. Other than Morientes, we have no specialists. As well as having scored 16 goals in 24-odd games last season, Crouch also provides many goal scoring opportunities. As well as the odd flick on, he's not a bad link player. His footwork's impressive for a player so far away from the ground, and (very importantly) he holds the ball up very well. It would be appropriate to make reference to the big Jan Koller (also 6'7) of the Czech Republic - perhaps relative to Baros's profilic scoring record internationally.
He's a one-trick pony. That paragraph seems like a desperate attempt to convince yourself that he'll be a success; he won't. After the CL final all the talk with the LFC fans was that you were going to sign Raul, Figo, Ronaldo, Pele etc - look who you got! £7m makes James Beattie seem like a snip, superb! He ain't bad with his feet, but he also ain't particularly good. Yeah he'll win lots of headers, but by getting the ball out wide all the time isn't going to go down too well with your main striker, Cisse, is it? Surely paying £14m for him and then abandoning your style of play to accommodate Crouch (:rofl:) is a slight mistake..
Just as a quick note to all of our Everton compadres on the board: your notable ( :rolleyes: ) signings of the new season appear to have been Simon Davies and Kroldrup.
Along with Beattie, who will seem like a new signing come the start of the season, a young english goalkeeper, and Li Tie, who has been missing for a whole season (good squad player to have, especially with the CL coming up..)

Not exactly going for quality are you?
Davies proven quality player in the premierleague, Kroldrup arrives at Everton with a glowing reference from Jan Molby (former sh*te!) and his former manager at Udinese, Roy Hodgson.

Oh, and there will be more signings before the start of the season. Who said you needed to buy players in the first month after finishing the league season?
Perhaps more worrying than the dearth of signings (obviously not for lack of trying)
See interview with Keith Wyness here, which shows that half of the players we've been linked with haven't even been in talks with Everton, let alone the players apparently snubbing us to go elsewhere.. :rolleyes:


is the fact that you've been consistently snubbed.
See above..

Doesn't exactly inspire confidence if you want to make it with the big boys?
Big boys? We're not trying to compete with Chelsea or Arsenal just yet! Oh, and we beat the so-called Liverpool big-boys last year, and that was without our new signings

Your defence is old and tiring
It is? Kroldrup - 25, Yobo - 25, Hibbert - 24, Naysmith - 26
Plus we'll be signing a new left back before the start of the season - that's hardly an old defence?


coming to the end of their contracts -
Who?

and your bench opportunities aren't fantastic - Naysmith, anyone?
Small squad, did us well last season did it not. I'd be more than happy to see a bench of Richard Wright, David Weir, Li Tie, Duncan Ferguson and Marcus Bent this season..

Your midfield is capable of grinding out 1-0,
Which is all that is needed.. isn't it?

fugly matches
In your opinion..
but no real flair or suitability to Europe.
Hard to work out how you have come to that conclusion, as we haven't even had a game in Europe yet..


The less said about your forwards the better.
When you've got goalscoring midfielders, a la Tim Cahill, do you need prolific scorers? I'm certain Moyes will bring in another striker to challenge up front. It'd be nice to see a good long-term partner for Beattie upfront. Robbie Keane would be nice, but we'll have to wait and see..

You've released your top scorer of last season.
Cahill?

You're left with Beattie, a proven premiership player turned past it;
Hardly past it. I think most of the Everton supporters have faith in him this season, and, as i've said, if we get another striker in (which we should be doing) it should work in his favour too.
Big Dunc, a fugly player who can no longer tell if he's kicking the ball or a defender's head it (not that he'd care) and if anyone cares to name James McFadden as a player of the future, I'll laugh in their face.
Duncan, most valuable substitute of last season? Statistically, yes! It's his last season, i'm sure a couple of Merseyside derby goals from him won't go amiss. Sammy Hyypia is petrified of the man, brilliant! C'mon Duncan!


In short, you need to buck up your ideas.
Why? What have we done, apart from finish 4th, that is so bad? We've made signings, we'll be making more signings and we're looking the best we have done in years - typical Kopite talk that is, anybody else telling us to buck up our ideas? Where are your big name signings?
You need signings if you want to make it in Europe or continue at the top end of the Premiership.

Yep, and we've made signings.
Else it's a long, slipper road downwards and I'm sure that any of Middlesborough, Bolton or even Newcastle would be happy to take your place.

Or Liverpool? Remember, we finished 4th, Liverpool 5th!

EVERTON EVERTON EVERTON EVERTON
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You mean the Kuz/NDAAGRONDI banter
All good fun.
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Shevchenko could join Chelsea http://www.itv-football.co.uk/Teams/...y_157405.shtml

We all know that SWP insisted he'd stay at Man City and look what happened there, now look at this. :eek:
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Oh dear oh dear oh dear...'Jamie Carragher believes new team-mate Peter Crouch deserves to be bracketed in the same league as Thierry Henry' http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/sp..._the_best.html
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Oh dear oh dear oh dear...'Jamie Carragher believes new team-mate Peter Crouch deserves to be bracketed in the same league as Thierry Henry' http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/sp..._the_best.html
Crouch is a decent player I feel but I can't say I'd put him in the top 5 strikers of the Premiership.
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I agree, could be useful for you this season. What position does he play? (can't remember) - I'm sure you've already got a first teamer in his position who'll be picked ahead of him. Anyway, i'll give him a chance to prove himself for you before judging him - (could/should have joined us, however many players do decide to play for their old managers, don't blame him)
Centre of the park. And he is the sort of player who does well in our league. Not technically blessed, but plays a high energy game. As for the Diao references, he was lazy and went missing. Benitez has seen and played Sissoko before, and will have plenty more conviction about Momo than Houlleir did about Salif.

He's sh*te! - He's the McFadden of the Redsh*te, i'd give him away to save his career..!
Also one of the most promising youngsters to come out of France? He's a hot and cold player tbh, a volatile one at that. He didn't have a great game yesterday, but had a blinder against Leverkusen - and Juventus last season for that matter. McFadden is nothing.

I've said all along, he'll never be a decent premierleague player. He's much more suited to the Champions League, or probably in your case later on in the season, the UEFA cup, where he can have 10 minutes on the ball before deciding what to do with it..
What's wrong with flourishing in the Champions' League? We all know he isn't a winger, but we had precious few other options last season. That is why there's constant speculation about a new right winger.

Although Carew has never played in England and so it's a bit silly to base a player on somebody who has never been proven in the league you are working in..! Better use for Crouch would be to take him down to the beach and use him as a surf board.. :cool:
It's the idea behind it, and the game Benitez wants us to develop.

He's a one-trick pony. That paragraph seems like a desperate attempt to convince yourself that he'll be a success; he won't. After the CL final all the talk with the LFC fans was that you were going to sign Raul, Figo, Ronaldo, Pele etc - look who you got! £7m makes James Beattie seem like a snip, superb!
Of course I want him to be a success, but I see no reason why he can't be. There was speculation about Raul, yes, and he'd be attainable if we want him. But we don't. Figo we're linked with, and there's no reason why we can't sign him. I have no idea where you got Ronaldo and Pele from though? I'm not proud of the sum we're paying them, but we're a rich club - it's what happens. As for Beattie, you paid top dollar for a player wh was transfer listed, was no longer a Saints favourite, and getting on for 30. The £7m reflects the years Crouch has left in him - £1m of which depends on his success.

He ain't bad with his feet, but he also ain't particularly good. Yeah he'll win lots of headers, but by getting the ball out wide all the time isn't going to go down too well with your main striker, Cisse, is it? Surely paying £14m for him and then abandoning your style of play to accommodate Crouch (:rofl:) is a slight mistake..
Our 'style of play' last year was dependant on the players Benitex had to work with. We had no natural wingers, whereas now we do. Therefore, our game will evolve, not be abandoned. And it's not just getting the ball out wide though, is it? With a player of Alonso's calibre (Gerrard's no mean passer or visionary either), Cisse will always be picked out if in a favourable position. It's just for crosses, set pieces and the like, Crouch is an ideal target man and the odds are that he'll beat his man. He also links well with other players, and there's no reason why he can't lay it into Cisse's path.

Along with Beattie, who will seem like a new signing come the start of the season, a young english goalkeeper, and Li Tie, who has been missing for a whole season (good squad player to have, especially with the CL coming up..)
Davies proven quality player in the premierleague, Kroldrup arrives at Everton with a glowing reference from Jan Molby (former sh*te!) and his former manager at Udinese, Roy Hodgson. Oh, and there will be more signings before the start of the season.
Beattie? New signing? Hasn't he already had plenty of time to adapt to Everton, given that he's played english football for the whole of his career? Davies is a good player, but I wouldn't go as far as saying quality. As for Kroldrup, we know nothing of him as of yet. He's got potential to be one of your better, but I wouldn't say he's proven. Molby was a great player, but that does not equate to pundit.

Who said you needed to buy players in the first month after finishing the league season?
Point taken, yet you still seem to have noone lined up. Many available players I've seen who could have done a job for you seem to be snapped up asap. Soon you'll have to look outside of the premiership, like with Kroldrup, to a market that Moyes isn't so familiar in.

See interview with Keith Wyness here, which shows that half of the players we've been linked with haven't even been in talks with Everton, let alone the players apparently snubbing us to go elsewhere.. Big boys? We're not trying to compete with Chelsea or Arsenal just yet! Oh, and we beat the so-called Liverpool big-boys last year, and that was without our new signings
Surely you mean finishing above us? I think we both know that was due to your blinding season and our atrocious one. Incidentally, you never beat us. Then why have the other half snubbed you? And there are plenty of players you have been linked with, and even if you have not approached them, many have come out and openly said that they'd rather go elsewhere.

Small squad, did us well last season did it not. I'd be more than happy to see a bench of Richard Wright, David Weir, Li Tie, Duncan Ferguson and Marcus Bent this season..
You'll be playing many more games this season than last, that's to say if you qualify for the CL. Your small squad may not cope with so many, especially if you have any injury troubles. Whilst you may be happy with your bench opportunities, the teams around you are spending and improving the teams.

Hard to work out how you have come to that conclusion, as we haven't even had a game in Europe yet..
I don't need to see you in Europe. We've already talked about how the European leagues are different from our own. Different football is played, and different tactics are needed.

When you've got goalscoring midfielders, a la Tim Cahill, do you need prolific scorers? I'm certain Moyes will bring in another striker to challenge up front. It'd be nice to see a good long-term partner for Beattie upfront. Robbie Keane would be nice, but we'll have to wait and see..
Don't be so naive.

Robbie Keane would be nice, yes. Hmm, wait. Let's add Parker to that list. Perhaps Bellamy? Wouldn't mind a bit of Forsell either. Wonder if Emre could do the job? Sissoko would be just what we needed.

Duncan, most valuable substitute of last season? Statistically, yes! It's his last season, i'm sure a couple of Merseyside derby goals from him won't go amiss.
It's his last season, and he's a substitute. Yes, a great man to be leading the line.

Why? What have we done, apart from finish 4th, that is so bad? We've made signings, we'll be making more signings and we're looking the best we have done in years - typical Kopite talk that is, anybody else telling us to buck up our ideas? Where are your big name signings?
In all honesty, it could have been Bolton, it could have been Middlesborough, it could even have been Spurs ffs who had the good season. Can it be sustained? Yes, I've not doubts about that. I'm just saying that everyone will raise their game for next season - can you elevate yours further with what you have?

As for big signings, shame on you. I'd have thought you more than most would know that big signings can turn out to be flops, and legends can be made from small ones. I would count Reina as a big signing for sure - lauded by many as the best La Liga had to offer. Many of the others have not been bought with automatic XI selection in mind - our squad is far better than it was last season. Gerrard can only be our greatest signing of our summer, the whole of the premiership in fact.

Or Liverpool? Remember, we finished 4th, Liverpool 5th!
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Oh dear oh dear oh dear...'Jamie Carragher believes new team-mate Peter Crouch deserves to be bracketed in the same league as Thierry Henry' http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/sp..._the_best.html
Believe it when I see it.
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Oh dear oh dear oh dear...'Jamie Carragher believes new team-mate Peter Crouch deserves to be bracketed in the same league as Thierry Henry' http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/sp..._the_best.html
You want to try reading the article again? :s:

EDIT: For future reference, when commenting on Liverpool it's best not to quote from a mancunian source.
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